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    Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    THESE BABIES HAVE ARRIVED AND ARE NOW AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE DELIVERY.


    First impressions:
    Lovely looking in the usual solid, rounded, standard commercial silver coated livery;
    Standard (M5) hopper supplied, and the shorter M4 hopper option is in stock;
    Nice quiet operation, quick delivery in any case so the machine is not grinding for long;
    The newly designed delivery tube is a corker......we cant get it to "clump";
    Not messy like conventional grinders, probably due to accurate timing / dosing and newly designed delivery tube;
    Extremely accurate digital timing, to the tenth of a second;
    Programmable for:
    Single dose, double dose, continuous "dose", and has
    counter, and language selection for all you cosmopolitan multilingual CSers!.
    One button for programming functions;
    feather light button to activate grinding cycles.

    We have been using / testing / programming this grinder for a few days now and it has endeared itself to all our staff and some clients. The initial programming can be a little slow (I DIDNT read the instructions.....arrrh), because CS people will want to get the absolutre best relationship between fineness of grind and dose.

    Would all the stepped VS stepless adjuster naysayers kindly note:
    The timer is so accurate (tenths of a sec) that we cant see any advantage in this grinder having had the option of micrometric / stepless adjustment. That is, the relationship between the grind as adjusted by the already excellent commercial stepped adjuster, *when balanced with timed drops incremented in tenths of a sec. difference, is so fine as to make in our opinion, the option of stepless adjustment on this grinder superfluous. *

    Technophiles will love it.....and everyone else will love it too once theyve seen it in operation. *It is much easier & less messy to operate once set up, than either doser grinders or non programmable doser less grinders. *

    Its the ultimate doser less format, and very probably the last grinder you will ever buy.

    Regards,
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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic produce release

    Further to what Attilio has said, I have just popped one up on the bench and in 5 minutes of fiddling and programming have a balance with perfect repeatable dose and 5 identical shots. Like Attilio, I didnt read the instructions either- as theyre in Italian! ::)

    IT WORKS!

    The steps are no issue whatsoever and truly are the smallest I have ever seen on a stepped grinder. I however have seen some clumping at my grind setting with some commercial coffee. I would expect that will disappear when I throw some fresh stuff at it.

    This is so much easier than a Mazzer mini (sorry Luca) that I will be keeping one on the bench at home...I never thought Id say that!

    Its a truly brilliant grinder. This without a doubt is the best doserless grinder I have ever used.

    Melbourne CSers are welcome to make a time to pop in and have a play and see just how good it is.

    If I was a Mazzer mini-e, Id be shaking in my boots....
    Chris

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Sorry did someone mention a price somewhere? What is the price, delivered to Perth? ::)

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic produce release

    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1201213314/0#1 date=1201214240
    This is so much easier than a Mazzer mini (sorry Luca)
    I had a laugh! *Chris, hopefully a lot of people will act on that, causing the price of the Mini E to plummet so that I can hoard them all for myself!

    Cheers,

    Luca

    PS. Congrats to Cosmorex - I gather that the whole import process is never easy.

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Luca,

    many thanks for your kind words, yes the business of importing can be "very interesting" and often nerve racking.


    And all please note...congrats should go to the first CSer to purchase this fantastic grinder (M5D).....it happened first thing this morning and it has been successfully mated to a Silvia.

    regards,
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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1201213314/0#5 date=1201320324
    Luca,

    many thanks for your kind words, yes the business of importing can be "very interesting" *and often nerve racking.


    And all please note...congrats should go to the first CSer to purchase this fantastic grinder (M5D).....it happened first thing this morning and it has been successfully mated to a Silvia.

    regards,
    Attilio
    aka FC, first / original CS site sponsor.

    Sorry Attilio, the first CSer to buy a Macap Electronic was Mark S at 3pm yesterday *:P..

    Hopefully this is the beginning of a stampede.

    CSers, this is your new aspirational home grinder...

    Chris



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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Looks the business, just hope the electrickery lasts as long as the motor...

    Cheers.

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    My first post to coffeesnobs. Couldnt resist, given that I was mentioned as the first purchaser of this grinder. Hey, I was the first to buy something. Not at all sure thats a good thing in principle, but Chris review sold me. Chris, BTW, is a very patient individual, and put up with a fair degree of vascillation-via-email on my part.

    I dont have it yet, so the other sale perhaps counts as the "first". Anticipated delivery to Tassie is next week, when it will me married to my new Elektra MCAL. My old 1989 Saeco (which will be re-united with my old 1987 Faema Family at my workplace) still works fine, so Im wondering what I will discover with a "proper" grinder. Ill submit my own review to this thread in due course.

    At the risk of making others jealous, I announce that this is a "wife-sanctioned" purchase. I had to pick myself up off the floor when the Chief Handbrake agreed that the old one looked daggy next to my shiny new contraption, and that I should get something that I really wanted. So I have done.

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Quote Originally Posted by msmithies link=1201213314/0#8 date=1201386198
    .......snip....

    At the risk of making others jealous, I announce that this is a "wife-sanctioned" purchase. I had to pick myself up off the floor when the Chief Handbrake agreed that the old one looked daggy next to my shiny new contraption, and that I should get something that I really wanted. So I have done.

    If there is ever rick of divorce....can I have her mobile number please??
    Handbrakes like that are hard to come by. ;)

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Ive just posted a little review of my new grinder in the "Information/Reviews" thread, where it would seem (to this inexperienced poster) such things should be put. Its a rather formal way of evaluating something, but I understand this is necessary as questions/replies are outside the scope of that thread.

    In this less formal thread, let me say how impressed Ive been. Ive been making home espresso since the early eighties, and in that time Ive had several "turning points", where the quality of what I could achieve improved remarkably and permanently. Acquiring this grinder has been one of those points - for the last week Ive achieved a consistency that has eluded me. Consistently mediocre, perhaps, but with "dosage size" out of the way as a variable I am now able to concentrate on grind and tamp to a far greater extent, and learn more as I go about what happens as these and other things change.

    I know I could have stuck with my old grinder, and simply weighed out the required amount before it went into the PF (I admit to the shameful habit of saving excess grounds and using them much later), or bought a doser model and weighed beans before grinding, or timed things with a stopwatch, or ... Whatever, this is a great device that well and truly achieves for me exactly what I wanted it to do.

    A side benefit - My brother called me a "coffee tosser" for spending ~$1k on a grinder. To prove his point, Ive unnecessarily changed the display language from English to Italian, so now it says "dose singola" and "dose doppia".

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Msmithies - welcome. Sounds great. What grinder did you have before the M5?

    Cheers

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Thanks for your welcome. My previous grinder looked identical to a Saeco 2000, only it wasnt because I bought it sometime around 1990. Electronic timer aside, Im sure some of the quality improvements Im getting from the m5d is because Ive upgraded from something basic.

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Yep - it would be a real step up. You cannot go wrong with a good grinder.

    Cheers

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    Re: Macap M5 Electronic product release

    Another thumbs up for this grinder.. but then again Im upgrading from a Sunbeam :P

    My espressos are so much more consistent now.

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    Re: Macap M4D Grinder

    Hi all,

    I have just received information that more stocks of this fabulous grinder, this time in M4 configuration (short hopper) will arrive at the end of May.

    Talk Coffee has on order the following:
    M4D Silver stepped with a new RRP of $990 (the steps are tiny and by no means an issue)
    M4D Chrome micrometric RRP $1190

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Looks great Chris. Will definitely pop in for a play with the grinder when youve got one in the showroom.

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    My order is in Chris
    I am waiting in anticipation
    It will be a perfect match for the Bezzera Domus
    Waiting on its arrival and hoping this grinder will be the last grinder that I will ever need.
    Chris make sure mine has the small hopper please ?


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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1201213314/15#17 date=1211023543
    My order is in Chris
    I am waiting in anticipation
    It will be a perfect match for the Bezzera Domus
    Waiting on its arrival and hoping this grinder will be the last grinder that I will ever need.
    Chris make sure mine has the small hopper please ?
    Hi KK,

    they will all be M4 configuration- i.e. short hopper 8-)

    Chris

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Amazing that almost of all of this current batch of imports are sold with an ETA of mid-August on the next batch.

    We have 2 chrome and one silver remaining....

    Chris

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee link=1201213314/15#18 date=1211498933
    Amazing that almost of all of this current batch of imports are sold with an ETA of mid-August on the next batch.

    We have 2 chrome and one silver remaining....

    Chris
    Updating those who have placed pre-orders on this grinder...

    The ship is due to dock on 04 June and we anticipate shipment about a week later....Not long now!

    Chris

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Chris,

    Youre doing this to tease me ;) Cant they drop mine off on the way past WA :)

    Ron

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    I think that this forum with its white text (chalk) on the green (blackboard) is quite appropriate, just like old times...
    Standing at the front of class and correcting my wrongs.

    I must stop looking at toys I cannot afford.
    I must stop looking at toys I cannot afford.
    I must stop looking at toys I cannot afford.
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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Very nice to look at.

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by redzone link=1201213314/15#22 date=1212043968
    Very nice to look at.
    ...and would look fantastic sat on my kitchen bench at home ;D 10 weeks is a long time and a lot of espresso in CoffeeSnob Land ;)

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Do you have a silver one available still?

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    The wait is over.....all M4D grinders on back order have shipped today.

    For those who missed out, there *may* be a few more silver ones and the usual CS discount will apply..

    Enjoy your new toys everyone ;)

    Chris

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Just wanted to share my excitement - ordered an M4D today from DiBartoli as part of a package! Grinder will be shipped from Melb and it should be in my hot little hands on Tuesday afternoon...

    Many thanks for Renzo and Ofra for being so patient and helpful with this purchase, excellent service.

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    Ive now had my M4D micromatic since June and its fantastic. The espressi are perfect! Thank you to Renzo at DiBartoli!

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi,

    I am on the verge of buying a M4D, but have a few questions before placing my order.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1201213314/0#0 date=1201213313

    The newly designed delivery tube is a corker......we cant get it to "clump";
    - According to Home-Barista.com test, the M4D clumps a lot. And the one M4D I have seen in real life clumps as well. Have they improoved the initial version or what do you meen by The newly designed delivery tube. ? Were can I find more information about this new tube?

    - How can I be sure that I buy a version with the newly designed delivery tube instead of the clumpy tube?

    - Is it only the size of the hopper that makes yhe difference between M4D, M5D and M5D plus ??

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi Kim,

    Weve had our M4D worked out in a higher volume of coffee environment in comparison to the average domestic use...it served as the main espresso grinder at our Espresso Bar for more than 2 months, until a month ago.

    Low commercial volumes provides us with the great opportunity to use each and every semi-commercial / commercial grinder we sell to get intimately familiar with, anticipate any technical failures, and really test their capabilities in terms of: speed, consistency, adjustment control, temp stability of the motor, swiping, "messiness", noise and overall structural integrity.

    Working daily with the M4D, Renzo and I had the pleasure of achieving pour consistency without compromising on flavor, constantly tuning in the grind size and time of dose, in relation to our beans aging and weather.

    The M4D proudly sustain all our experiments. Once tuned, it gave us precision of dose each time, it is relatively fast and the stepless adjustment complemented the dose beautifully. However, it does clump, more than other commercial doserelss grinders in its range. However, working with Scottie Callaghans tools in the bar, we were able to break the clumps prior to tamping, or working out a courser grind, a higher, mounted dose, wiped off with low numbered tool, to achieve slow pour, good color, density and maximize flavor.

    For home environment, Id say its ideal for those who battle dose consistency and / or who are serious entertainers who aspire for high volume in good quality, fast. However if flavor is a priority, and we wish to avoid battling clumps to achieve good distribution and prevent channeling, then we may want to look at a doser option all together, as ALL doserless grinders clump in some way or another and challenging our creativity in working out all other variables to allow that impacting the quality of the pour.

    Happy to make a recommendations for your home scenario Kim, please feel free to PM / Email / Ring me anytime.

    Ofra

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    I concur with Ofras comments.

    You can get clumping with doserless grinders. IMHO, the mini-e has a small advantage with a tad less clumping by nature of the design, but nowhere near the flexibility of the Macap. If you want timed repeatability, forget the mini-e as the time adjustment is really crude.

    I personally prefer the stepped Macap (and I never thought Id say that about ANY grinder *:o) as the steps are so small that adjustability in not compromised at all. Its almost a must if you use your grinder to cup or for press or siphon- and I do with mine. Nevertheless, as I understand, all M4D grinders will now be chrome micrometric and come standard with associated hip pocket pain.

    As with any kit, the M4D is a good match to some machines and not with others. If your machine allows you to grind coarser and updose, you will get minimum clumping and rock solid consistency from shot to shot with a given batch of beans. If you have a low shower screen- think Silvia or Bezzera BZ07 for example, you will have to grind fine, dose low and manage the clumping. Old coffee will produce clumping as well.

    Nevertheless, I believe that the M4D is pretty much the ultimate home grinder. On the other hand, if there is no budget, a big conical will put the difference in the cup every time.

    Chris

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi KimH
    Just adding to the answers above

    All grinders will clump including doser models however the doser action works like a sift to break up and fluff the coffee grounds as they fall in the PF

    I am an owner of the M4D and to answer your question yes the M5D is just a larger hopper but same machine

    Regarding clumps I have a simple fix that costs less than $1.00
    A baby whisk (see pic)

    Works like a charm :)

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Chris wrote:

    I personally prefer the stepped Macap (and I never thought Id say that about ANY grinder *:o) as the steps are so small that adjustability is not compromised at all. Its almost a must if you use your grinder to cup or for press or siphon- and I do with mine. Nevertheless, as I understand, all M4D grinders will now be chrome micrometric and come standard with associated hip pocket pain.

    So my stepped silver M4D will be a collectors item?

    I have only had mine for a week but I am pretty pleased. It cures my main problem - mess. The gradual loss of brownie points from the constant coffee mess should not be underestimated. As we all know brownie points are gained in ones but lost in hundreds. You can make a coffee and not spill a grain with the M$D. It also looks quite cool - a lot less industrial than my La Cimbali. Its almost as fast as that grinder and relatively quiet. The dose adjustment is fantastic. I waste less coffee. The clumping varies with the bean but does not seem to be a big problem - a good tamp seems to overcome it. There is a reason why so many snobs prefer a doser grinder. I guess there is nothing to stop you grinding into *a cup, give it a stir and then transfer to the basket. I think that would be unnecessary but maybe for a very difficult bean.

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Thanks for the all the inputs. I have no doubt about buying this grinder anymore :-)

    /Kim

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    Ive had the Stepped M4D for 5 days now (A big thanks to Chris), and Im still fine tuning the grind/dose. Im not sure if Im imagining it or not but I seem to be tasting more intense flavours in the cup than what Ive been used to.

    Has anyone else noticed this after upgrading their previous grinder? I really only expected more bling, less mess, a quieter faster grind, all of which is there in abundance.


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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Has anyone else noticed this after upgrading their previous grinder? I really only expected more bling, less mess, a quieter faster grind, all of which is there in abundance.


    Belinda
    I found similar results as Corretto after my upgrade to the M4D from the Iberital Challenge
    Also I can still get abundant crema on forgotten older beans
    This machine is so accurate and clean that I donít even use the stray coffee grounds tray


    Yes CJHField
    I also have the stepped silver model and they may become the rare collectorís item of the future?

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Corretto link=1201213314/20#34 date=1222051943
    Ive had the Stepped M4D for 5 days now (A big thanks to Chris), and Im still fine tuning the grind/dose. *Im not sure if Im imagining it or not but I seem to be tasting more intense flavours in the cup than what Ive been used to.

    Has anyone else noticed this after upgrading their previous grinder? *I really only expected more bling, less mess, a quieter faster *grind, all of which is there in abundance.


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    :(
    Unfortunately (?) not Belinda.
    I started with a Macap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1201213314/20#36 date=1222061220
    :(
    Unfortunately (?) not Belinda.
    I started with a Macap.

    Hmmm, what to upgrade to next ?


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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    I have a Gino Rossi in the garage. ;)

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Must be a big grinder! ;)

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    Yup!
    Heres a pic before it left the house.

    [img] *http://coffeesnobs.com.au/attachments/G_Rossi_n_Friends.jpg[/img]

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1201213314/20#30 date=1221951003
    If you have a low shower screen- think Silvia or Bezzera BZ07 for example, you will have to grind fine, dose low and manage the clumping. Old coffee will produce clumping as well.
    mmmm...interesting.... :-? Testing the BZ07 on our bench, we havent found the dosing a challenge, certainly not as much as the Silvia. Perhaps the observation on shower screens height and generally how much one can dose with a specific head, lies more within the different design / technology of the head rather than the specific brand/ model?!

    We found that any Traditional Head (TH) models, e.g Bezzeras (BZ99, BZ35), Isomac (Venus), Wega (Mini Nova), Ascaso Duo, Gaggia (Classic) etc...would normally be slightly less forgiving with its dose, an observation easily dealt with as soon as the operator dials his / hers grinder and fine tunes all other variables... let us not forget also the heads "forgiveness" relates also to its temp stability, not only to the shower-to-basket clearance...

    Ofra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Di Bartoli link=1201213314/40#41 date=1222156715
    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1201213314/20#30 date=1221951003
    If you have a low shower screen- think Silvia or Bezzera BZ07 for example, you will have to grind fine, dose low and manage the clumping. Old coffee will produce clumping as well.
    mmmm...interesting.... :-? Testing the BZ07 on our bench, we havent found the dosing a challenge, certainly not as much as the Silvia. Perhaps the observation on shower screens height and generally how much one can dose with a specific head, lies more within the different design / technology of the head rather than the specific brand/ model?!

    We found that any Traditional Head (TH) models, e.g Bezzeras (BZ99, BZ35), Isomac (Venus), Wega (Mini Nova), Ascaso Duo, Gaggia (Classic) etc...would normally be slightly less forgiving with its dose, an observation easily dealt with as soon as the operator dials his / hers grinder and fine tunes all other variables... let us not forget also the heads "forgiveness" relates also to its temp stability, not only to the shower-to-basket clearance...

    Ofra
    Yes Ofra- which is why I said for example. The finer you grind, the more clumping there is likely to be. If you have a low shower screen, you have to dose low and grind fine- so as stated, more clumping is a given.

    End of the world :-? nope....Brilliant grinder? Yes...

    Chris

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi,

    I have jsut bought the M4d and its a great looking and sounding machine. My question is, is there a rough setting for grinding coffee? As I just cant seem to get it right.

    Currently I have mine set at approx 5.2 and I seem to be still getting a fastish pour. The pour istself comes through at about 6-8 seconds but then seems to run quite fast. Can you offer any sugestions?

    I am using it the Giotto Rocket which is about 2 months old now. When the coffee is finer, the pump in the Giotto seems to make awhooping noise like its trying to cope with the pressure, is this normal?

    Any advice on either of these issues would be appreciated. Ive recently upgraded from the Sunbeam Cafe series machine and burr grinder, so I am on a steep learning curve..

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi twist
    Are you asking a question about the grind setting or the time setting??

    Is you grinder a stepped or step-less model
    On my stepped M4D the grind setting is generally between 1 & 2 on the dial

    Just a note to adjust finer turn anticlockwise ;)

    KK

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Sorry, my question referred to the grind setting, not the timing.

    And

    Its the Macap M4D Stepped doserless model.

    Thanks for the anti clockwise mention too - the manual isnt very helpful.


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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi again twist

    You have the same model as mine
    I suggest you read this thread
    Macap M4D Owners use and care guide

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1213487719

    It gives you instructions for first set up and owners tips

    Hope it helps ;)

    KK

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by twistiebrinkley link=1201213314/40#45 date=1226646564
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    Its the Macap M4D Stepped doserless model.

    Apologies for being a complete idiot - I actually own the MICROMETIC DOSERLESS M4D.... :-[

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    twistie: Before you can be certain the grind needs to be finer you need to make sure the distribution and tamp is ok. The M4D (which I own also) can produce clumps of grinds. If you dont run a toothpick or paper clip through them first theres a big chance youll get an uneven distribution.

    See if that increases shot time. If not, make sure youre putting 15kg of pressure on your tamp. Once these bits are consistent you can be sure you need to adjust the grind.

    Hope this helps! :)

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    Re: Macap M4D/M5D Electronic grinder

    Hi Sammys,

    Thanks for the tip, I have noticed that I am getting clumping, any tips to stop the clumping in the first place?

    Is it the coffee bean I am using?

    Do you have any cleaning tips?

    I have noticed that my pours are getting better and I only need adjust the M4D with tiny turns to see different results.

    Im yet to get my scales out and test the 15kg pressure, but am very interested to try it.

    I find that the Giotto however makes more noise when the grind is finer - I hope Im not hurting her!!

    Any advice helps and I thank every one for their time in helping me in my pursuit of EXCELLENCE. :-)



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