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    What a load of Krup!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Just purchased a Krups GVX2A2 grinder, and am seriously disappointed.



    Although it looks quite well designed, it is impossible to get consistency with your grind. I know I might be pushing it to compare it to a Bezzerra grinder (which Im also not completely happy with, but thats another story), but at least the grind is of uniform particle size. With the Krups, you get a whole assortment of particle sizes coming out, which has a detrimental effect on the extraction.

    Stay clear, and spend your money on something more worthy.

    Josh

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    The best grinder in this price range ($150+) is still probably the Sunbeam EM0450 or 0480.

    Although Deals Direct was selling the Krups for $50 or so (refurbished). Maybe you can return it if youre unhappy?

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    I used one and it got me started on this journey. And for that Im pleased

    However if you look at the grinding burrs, youll notice that they really arent. *

    There are some little burr thingy blades but the whole burr disc is held in place by three large screws, the heads of which protrude into the grinding space beyond the large burrs.

    It is the heads of the screws that do most of the grinding *:-? *I cant see that the "conical burrs" do much at all.

    I would not recommmend at all either
    Robert

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    I started with a Sunbeam EM450 and its a good little grinder, I now have a Rocky but use the Sunbeam early monrings in my garage to grind so as not to wake up the household!! For the $130 I paid for it I think it was value for my $$.

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    Ok, at the risk of sounding like a coffee snob, all Ive got to say about that Krups grinder is that it is a good little catalyst to realising you need to get your hands on a better grinder. ;)

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    Im not exactly sure what you expected from this unit in the first place.

    However, have you seen what particle sizes that come out from a BNZ, Robur, Compak K10 and other conicals? Theyre all random sized particles...some fine as dust, some chunky bits......but still produces an awesome cup.

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes - David S link=1204366775/0#5 date=1204430427
    have you seen what particle sizes that come out from a BNZ, Robur, Compak K10 and other conicals? Theyre all random sized particles...some fine as dust, some chunky bits......but still produces an awesome cup.
    I think the difference is, that a decent set of burrs mounted in a well designed frame tend to break and then shave the beans down to the appropriate size regime. Less well engineered burrs and grinders tend to crush the beans which produces an inordinate fraction of fines (dust) that leads to over-extraction and less than ideal espresso pours.....

    Mal.

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    I dont like your chances of a return to Deals Direct.
    Even if successful it would take weeks of your time.
    Write it off.


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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    As Mal said above....

    Whilst a Robur, K10 or my DRM conical flat all produce a range of particles.... if you examine them they are little shavings which have been machined off the bean.... so that after compression there is still a path for water flow through the puck...... many burr sets (like the DRM) actually have special grooves to introduce a percentage of fines...

    But these fines arent the pulverized talcum powder stuff that the cheap grinders produce. Many of these burr sets have "bumps" on the surface of the burr.... with no cutting edge at all..... so the beans are just beaten to a pulp rather than ground....... and the resulting mix sets in the filter basket like concrete if correctly tamped and the correct average "grind" size - leaving only one option - increase grind size until you get some water to flow through the puck at which point the fines will become overextracted delivering a bitter taste...... and the coarser grains will hardly be extracted at all.....

    Basically stay away from these el cheapo disasters!!!

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    Re: What a load of Krup!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1204366775/0#7 date=1204437644
    I dont like your chances of a return to Deals Direct.
    Even if successful it would take weeks of your time.
    Write it off.
    Well, guess you have offload it in the evilbay place? Not at the trusty CS site. Best!



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