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    Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

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    Has anyone compared the Mazzer Mini and Super Jolly :-/?I am wondering about the difference, whether the SJ is worth the extra over the Mini?

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Yep absolutely Ive compared them as I own both, but <press Play> I havent finished writing the results (seems to be the story of my life at the moment! ::)), hope to have it done in a week or so. But Ive certainly got a good idea on the pros and cons of both, and which is right for you depends entirely on what sort of things youre looking for in a grinder. The SJ is faster but its also a bit noisier and larger, for example. If you can indicate what your priorities are or what particular areas youre interested in I may be able to give some suggestions. Perhaps I need to get this finished sooner than later! :)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Thanks for the reply Greg, I would be very interested in reading your review when you have finished writing it up. I am mostly using it for two to six espressos at home, a couple of times per day. Noise isnt a major issue if it was worth it *:)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    SJ- too big too much grinding for our little home i would reckon - can you wind back so it DOESNT grind 12 shots when doser empty - anyone??

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Quote Originally Posted by veryveryrestless link=1207399323/0#3 date=1207789504
    SJ- too big too much grinding for our little home i would reckon - *can you wind back so it DOESNT grind 12 shots when doser empty - anyone??
    Sure can. You dont need to use the auto function. You simply switch them off....

    There is also a special CS deal on minis at present ;-)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    I have a Super Jolly for my joint, and I dont find it too overpowering considering.

    I have the timer on mine, but you can fast-track the timer to off. I only put the beans I need in the doser so even if it runs OT it doesnt matter. When Ive had mini-functions going on, its been handy to have the timer for 20+ coffees in a row. Id take a SJ over a mini most days of the week... the SJ is so quick too, compared.

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    Since these are the flavour of the month (understandably at their recent prices) and I dont reckon Im going to get a writeup done anytime too soon, heres my brief on these:

    The SJ does at least everything the Mini does. On test, each grinder was calibrated to give the same extraction time. Grinding 10g of coffee, the Mini completely finished in 16 seconds (including bean bouncing around time) while the SJ did it in 11.5. With 14g, the Mini did it in 21 where the SJ did it in 16. So the SJ is about 30-35% faster. Its a much larger unit physically and the motor has a louder drone than the Mini. With the hopper removed the SJ is basically the same height as the Silvia.

    Surprisingly, it doesnt actually feel that much faster, but a lot of that is false perception. One factor is because compared to a Mini it feels and looks much like a Robur (larger unit, heavier, chassis swept forwards below the doser fork, power switch etc), so I subconsciously expected it to grind that fast. Also, (in factory form) the grind entry chute fills up with ground coffee, so once youve emptied the doser and start grinding again the first thing you get is a dump of grinds from the chute which gives you the impression its grinding that fast; you hammer the dosing lever to allow for such a flow, and accordingly have to slow right down when you realise its actually not as fast as it initially seemed. Having said that, if you dont have anything to compare it to and you can work around the chute somehow (as I did) its still 30% quicker than the Mini.

    It has a much much better dregs tray than the Mini. The Minis is plastic and prone to breaking the little lugs which hold it in position. The SJs is a pressed metal item which is held in place by a strong metal spring clip attached to the base of the unit so it wont go anywhere.

    The SJ is designed as a commercial unit so it has commercial trappings which arent on the Mini (the Australian ones anyway), many of which are also unnecessary when grinding on demand:
    • The on/off switch is a 3-position rotary switch with Off, On and a momentary Start position. To activate the grinder you need to turn the knob from Off to On and then further to the momentary Start position which activates the grinder. Itll run for a certain amount of time (50 seconds according to the documentation) or until the dosers full; if you want to stop it before then you have to turn the knob back to the Off position. Of course this is too long for anyone grinding on demand so a manual switch is all thats needed, and the Minis push on push off switch is unbeatable in this regard (having no timer though is always a slight risk that it could be left on)
    • It also has a flap over the grind entry chute which acts as the auto-cutout switch to halt the motor when the doser gets too full. Again, grinding on demand this is useless and in fact an annoyance as its nigh impossible to clean out the entry chute with the flap in the way. If it really annoys you it can be removed, trust me ;) but its not entirely a job for the faint-hearted - you need to remove the doser, the grinders bottom plate and have some electrical wire handy to make a wire link so youve been warned.
    • It also has a doser counter to presumably tell the cafe owner how many cups of coffee theyve made cos of course everyone does one dose per extraction. Again, useless when grinding on demand but in this case its presence doesnt cause any inconvenience.


    One big difference compared to my Mini is how clean the doser sweeps. Yes, I know, this is a Mazzer and Im lauding them for a doser that sweeps clean. My Mini almost has a floor of coffee on the bottom of the doser but the SJ leaves much less. Its comparable to the Compaks in this regard (at the very least to the K3 Elite I reviewed alongside the Mini - check out the image of the Compaks doser floor under the Finger Guard section). Obviously Mazzer have paid some attention to this in recent years which is commendable.

    Thats probably about the sum total of my thoughts on it at this point. Is it worth the money?

    For a commercial operator, especially one filling the grinder and dosing by count, absolutely every cent because youll use every feature. It really is a commercial grinder and most of its extra features over the Mini are only applicable to that kind of commercial setup, and in fact are an inconvenience to a home user.

    For a pro home user? If you can get it for similar money to the Mini which has been possible in recent weeks and if you have the room for it then again Id say yes, but youll get the most out of it if youre prepared to remove the auto-cutout flap and start with a clean chute and doser every time.

    If youre a pro home user and you have to pay retail prices ($790 for the Mini, $1190 for the SJ) then Id say no; speeds always good but the SJ isnt significantly faster than the Mini when youre grinding one shot at a time (are you seriously going to pay $400 for 5 seconds less preparation time?), and the rest of the differences are things which, as said, will be of little or no benefit to a home user, or in fact be counter-productive.

    And once the other reviews, tampers and whatnot are attended to I might even get the full thing written up!
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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Thanks Greg - I had already committed to the SJ through Chris. I have the room and it suits my FAEMA Due A nicely. Thanks for taking the time to do the mini review matey.

    Cheers

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Greg if Im reading that review correctly (the K3-v-Mini) at http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/kb/reviews/mini-k3/#doser-guard, the Compak on the left has more grounds left under the vanes than the Mini on the right...?

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott link=1207399323/0#7 date=1207895266
    Thanks Greg - I had already committed to the SJ through Chris. I have the room and it suits my FAEMA Due A nicely. Thanks for taking the time to do the mini review matey.

    Cheers
    And for the price that Chris was offering them for, its pretty darn hard to say no. In a home situation, an SJ is truly a life-long prospect and with what appears to be a superior doser to the Mini, its almost a "must have" in my book. Overkill for home use? For the average user, sure but for the likes of we CSers, no way [smiley=evil.gif].

    Youll be extremely happy with your SJ OZ once you get your hot little hands on it. Between the SJ and the Dué, there will be no limits to the quality of shots you will be capable of producing, given all the usual provisos. Youll be in coffee nirvana mate 8-),

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1207399323/0#9 date=1207896866
    In a home situation, an SJ is truly a life-long prospect and with what appears to be a superior doser to the Mini
    I doubt its actually the doser. My Mini is a 99 build where the SJ is a 07 and I expect its a design change they made fairly recently, which presumably they deployed across all their dosers which all suffered the same problem.The Mini was brand new when I took delivery of it 12 months ago (had sat in a warehouse for a looong time!) and was like this out of the box.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott link=1207399323/0#8 date=1207895633
    Greg if Im reading that review correctly (the K3-v-Mini) at http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/kb/reviews/mini-k3/#doser-guard, the Compak on the left has more grounds left under the vanes than the Mini on the right...?
    Yep correct; but the Mini at that point was brand new and had yet to grind a bean. That photo was actually to compare finger guards not sweep quality but thats the only one I had readily available of the Compak :) Once they both got their burrs dirty the Mini quickly showed its particulate colours!

    I did actually take photos of the doser floors on the Mini and the SJ and a whole lot of other stuff which are / were slated for the proper write-up; this was always only meant to be a bit of quick info to get the vitals out there, but since you asked... ;) Mini on left, SJ on right. Note on the Mini where I removed a bit of the false floor on the doser ::) Does make quite a good seal eventually though and it tends to sweep quite clean once the live gasket has formed!




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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Dont really like to blow my own trumpet but the LSM Doser I have sweeps absolutely clean. There is not a single, solitary granule of coffee left behind and it really does seem to be designed from inception to do the job as effectively as possible. Im sure that there are other makes out there that do as good a job as the LSM but the Mazzer doesnt seem to be within cooee of it....

    Cheers,
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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Thanks Greg and Mal...looking forward to it. I think I will still end up doing the tape mod - wont take much (as per the Home Barista tape mod - either electrical or velcrove tape. Cheers again.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    I keep hearing about this awesome SJ price but havent been able to find the number anywhere. Anyone wanna let me know what I missed out on?

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Yep - $750 sans delivery.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    I originally got my SJ from the bay of evilness to use with my BoEma 2 grp when making coffees for groups like my daughters school fair and calisthenics club. It quickly sent the Rocky to work where it gets to see service in a light capacity. Would I go back to something smaller nope the SJ is a beast and I think it will well and truly wear me out before I can wear it out.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammus link=1207399323/0#13 date=1208098058
    I keep hearing about this awesome SJ price but havent been able to find the number anywhere. Anyone wanna let me know what I missed out on?
    Hi Sammus,

    Talk Coffee did get on to a batch of Mazzers at $750 which was an awesome price. They were a bulk purchase Easter special offered by a supplier and as a one off. They were advertised in the hardware for sale thread : http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1207186647 with a few minis at a lower price as well. The thread has since closed.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    From a functionality point of view, would folks typically prefer manual vs timed/auto with Mini/SJ? I hear Mazzer have ceased production of manual switch machines due to issues?

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Quote Originally Posted by 30in30 link=1207399323/15#17 date=1208784111
    From a functionality point of view, would folks typically prefer manual vs timed/auto with Mini/SJ? *I hear Mazzer have ceased production of manual switch machines due to issues?
    Ahh grasshopper,

    Americans no longer get manual versions because they sue when they forget to turn the grinder off and the house gets messy or burns down...But then they also sue when they remove the finger guard from the dosing chamber, then turn the grinder on and then stick their fat mits in the throat of the grinder *::)...

    We Aussies are considered smart enough to switch a grinder off and keep our hands to ourselves....so the gods of Mazzer allow us to have manual versions...

    Another case of what you read on the net not neccessarily being true for you ;)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    :)...having a personal injuries law practice gives your post added charm for me Chris...still chuckling here...:)

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    Quote Originally Posted by 30in30 link=1207399323/15#17 date=1208784111
    From a functionality point of view, would folks typically prefer manual vs timed/auto with Mini/SJ?
    Given the location of my SJ, with the switch on the right butting right up against my Silvia, I did wonder whether a timer (and me not having to switch it off) would be more convenent. That being said, it really isnt very difficult creating a bit of space to reach my fat mitts between the two machines to switch it off!

    Anyway, if I did have an option for a timered version, Id probably get it, but not at a price premium. That little bit of saved effort doesnt really justify any monetary cost IMHO.

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    What about a foot operated switch?
    I know someone with one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1207399323/15#21 date=1208945696
    What about a foot operated switch?
    I know someone with one.
    And how would one rig that up? Im no electrician!

    How about a doser lever activated switch? I start thwacking when the beans have finished grinding and the thwacking switches off the grinding... you reckon this would be possible?

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    Re: Mazzer Mini or Super Jolly?

    i have a super jolly in my mobile coffee van. i have no problems with it. *it stands proud. ;D




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