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    Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

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    Hey all
    Just looking to get a new grinder and came accross the
    Eureka Mignon electronic coffee grinder at $495 its looks like a good size home use grinder
    (only viewd it on the net not in person)

    But how does it perform that is the question
    Does anyone here own one ? or know someone that has one
    If so I would like a user review as not much info is available

    However I have also looked at other Grinders
    Sumbeam EM 0480, IMAT LUX, ISOMAC GRANMACININO,
    Trying to get a quality grinder for under $500 (for home use) that works well without problems

    All input is welcome on any good grinder no matter how unknown the brand.
    As always its performance that counts

    Many thanks
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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    You may want to check out this thread of grinder reviews http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235531 Have you thought about Rocky or the Compak K3-touch (although I just saw that RRP is over your budget)? If you have an up to $500 you could do better than the Sunbeam. I am not sure of the grinder you mentioned so I cant comment on it. But for that budget you should manage to get a grinder you are happy with.

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    Hi KK,

    Cant say Ive ever seen one in the flesh, so I cant really help you on that... looks pretty good though.

    As far as other grinders you might want to add to that list, Id say, you cant go past a Rocky. As consistency goes and build quality, its hard to beat for that price. I know theyve gone up in price recently, but I think you can still get them <$500.

    YeeZa

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1208479853/0#2 date=1208480347
    Hi KK,

    Cant say Ive ever seen one in the flesh, so I cant really help you on that... looks pretty good though.

    As far as other grinders you might want to add to that list, Id say, you cant go past a Rocky. As consistency goes and build quality, its hard to beat for that price. I know theyve gone up in price recently, but I think you can still get them <$500.

    YeeZa
    At the price point of a Rocky at RRP, Id be looking very closely at the Compak K3T. Used manually its a category killer with bigger burrs and stepless adjustment- far superior in function to the Rocky IMHO. The timer function is a tad fiddly, so I just ignore it ;)

    Chris

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    I always forget about the Compak K3T - I forget that its in the same catagory as the Rocky etc, cos its such a solid one. Yeah, Ill add my vote for the K3T!

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    The Compak K3 Touch is a nice machine and in the price ballpark

    Cremakid has recomended the Cunill Tranquilo with stainless steel sides its a good workhorse with great quality build and excellent grind


    All input is welcome on any good grinder no matter how unknown the brand.
    As always its performance that counts


    Many Thanks
    Koffee Kosmo

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    Gday Kosmo,

    Theres a simply superb grinder on offer in the 4-Sale section here... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1207047706/0#14 at a small fraction above $500. This is the sort of grinder that will last you a lifetime through many espresso machine upgrades. Definitely worth a look my friend...... 8-)

    Mal.


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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    Thanks mal
    have sent a pm to see if still for sale

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    I have this type of grinder. *It is also sold as a Nuova Simonelli grinder but it is made by Conti Valerio in Italy. *

    So here are my thoughts:

    I bought the Eureka because my research showed that the grind quality was on par with a Mazzer (see reviews below), its build quaility is excellent, its reasonably quite, the micrometric adjustment moves the bottom burr (so when you remove the burr for cleaning you dont have to dial it in again) and it was stepless.

    After buying it to match my EM6910 I was initially frustrated with it. *This was because I was a complete novice and I was trying to grind way too fine in and effort to get the pressure needle in the area where CSnobbers recommend; however, as it turns out the pressure guage in my EM6910 *reads incorrectly. * The upshot of all this was that when you grind fine the grounds sort of come out very very clumpy. *However, now that I have figured it out and have dialled my grinder in properly the grind is no way near as clumpy but you still get clumps (Ill post a picture so you can see) and I am very happy with the grinder.

    I recently found a set of instructions to fit a an anti-static screen up the doser spout to fix the clumping, but the instructions are in German and I havent tried this modification out yet. *However, I just grinder into a container, break up the little bricks with a needle (this only takes a couple of seconds) and then I fill my portafilter by spoon. *For this reason I would recommend the MCF (the dosered version) because apparenly its chute design is not as clump prone any clumps that do form are broken by the sweeping arms in the doser.

    I found the grinder hard to dial in. *I attribute this to the lack of consistency in my coffee making technique and that the small diameter adjustment dial is quite sensitive. *To give you an idea how sensitive it is: now that is is dialled in I only have to move the dial a couple of millimetres either way to keep it in "tune" so to speak.

    There is lots of information about this grinder on European websites. *However, to save you the hassle Ill post a review and some extracts of a thread regarding the grinder that I managed to get hold of, fortunately, these are in English. *These are little quirky but Ill think you will find them useful.

    Kind regards,
    Yorgous.
    (1):

    You are right, not all users are equally impressed. I am still looking for a really good conical grinder, but if I was offered a choice between this one and a Rocky, I would go for the Eureka. More practical, and build quality should be at least the same, probably better build of the grinding "area" (sorry, I sometimes lack the appropriate terms and words - english is not my first language). Right now I have the Anfim Haus at home. Build quality superb, it is also quiet. But it doesnt have a timer.


    (2):
    The grinder is very quiet, quoted as 79dbA. Cleaning is without a doubt easier than any of the popular choices like Mazzers, Cimbalis, Macaps.
    In the conti, the bottom burr moves to adjust grind and the top burr is fixed and can be removed with three screws that hold the carrier and top plate in place (see pic). This means you can clean it out very easily and then replace the plate and not have to dial the grinder in all over again!

    Lastly Grind Quality. This one of the areas that has impressed me most, and i had a Cimbali before and use Mazzers at work so have good means for comparison. The grind is easily as good as the Cimbali and actually appears a little more consistent than the Mazzer SJs at work (though they may need new burrs) When it comes to grind quality most experts agree that if you have a flat burr grinder with commercial quality burr mountings then there will be very little difference between them.

    Due to the techology itself you really need to go up high end conical burrs to see much difference. Im not saying that they are all the same but it mostly comes down to 4 things:

    The Adjustability,
    The Motor
    The Grind Speed (Determined by burr size and motor to some extent)
    The Build Quality.

    So there you have it, i can safely say that you will be very happy with the MCI, I moved from an older Cimbali Junior which in some peoples eyes could be seen as a downgrade, but actaully that hasnt been the case! "

    I bought a Mazzer Mini E in the end. Good luck in your search!

    (3) See next post!

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    3) and this is the review I managed to get hold of:

    "Regarding the Eureka read the following:

    Today (March 24) I received the Eureka MCI grinder (doserless) manufactured by Conti Valerio who also manufacture for Nuova Simonellli amongst other brands.
    Eureka is the brand name they manufacture their own grinders under.
    I had seen this little grinder before and was taken by itís small size and good looks.
    Henk from ESW was nice enough to let me test one for them as they are interested in stocking them for sale.

    The little grinder (325Hx105Wx170D) arrived well packaged in two boxes, one inside the other.
    The inner box contained a form fitting styrofoam box in wich the grinder and the little bean holder plus manual where situated.
    At first glance it looked real nice and shiny and well made.
    It took a few seconds to attach the bean holder to the grinder with a set screw and there it was, a great looking little grinder.

    Technical details:

    Available in 230/50Hz or 110/60Hz voltage. (220W/230W)
    Available with or without doser
    Blade speed: 1400 RPM
    Production rate of 5Kg/hour
    Weight :4.8 KG
    Noise factor: 73 dbA
    Body: Pressure die casted aluminum alloy painted or optional chromed body
    Grinding burrs: 50 mm hardened steel
    Motor: Monophase with overload cut out
    Grind adjustment: patented micrometer grind control without set stop (worm gear) that can be precisely fine tuned.
    The adjustment worm gear raises and lowers the bottom burr while the top burr stays fixed on a metal plate.
    Dose adjustment: 2 versions, - instantaneous -, in contact with the pressure switch on the front of the machine or with timer, activated by the pressure switch (test model)

    First use: After assembly and checking it over carefully I adjusted the grind adjustment dial that controls the burr settings until it was all the way up, then backed off a little. I closed the hopper bean chute, plugged the grinder in, added beans to the hopper, opened the chute ( a little sliding metal piece that blocks the bean chute) and touched the portafilter against the pressure switch wich activated the timer and the grinder started up but only for a couple seconds and not nearly enough to fill the pf.
    I tilted the grinder backwards, adjusted the timer wich is located on the bottom of the grinder and touched the pf againts the ps again. It stopped again short of a full pf.
    As the grind looked good I didnít want to throw the ground coffee away so I touched the pf again and this time the pf was filled the right amount.
    Made a shot on Giotto and timed 35 seconds so I adjusted the grind setting a little more coarse and then adjusted the timer that controls the grind time again.
    This time the grinder ground long enough to fill the pf so that after tamping the ground coffee was up to the mark on the pf basket.
    Another shot and this time the count was 30 seconds so I adjusted the lower burr again but that meant that this time the basket was filled a little to full.
    Adjusted the timer a little back and voila, the pf was filled to the right height annd the shot count was 26 seconds.

    The timer is a nice gadget but I am not convinced of the necessity of it, just pushing the pf against the pressure switch should be enough control to fill the pf to the right height.
    The timer is perhaps a little overkill and the way the adjustment knob is located on the bottom is a bit of a pain as the grinder needs to be tilted backwards every time in order to adjust it. Once adjusted it rarely needs to be readjusted for different types of beans.
    I am impressed though with the way the pf gets filled without any spillage or static of the grounds.
    The grounds just drop nicely in to the pf, no mess at all.
    This grinder while no Mazzer (at least in price) has some things going for it.
    It is a handsome size, pretty quit, not messy, easy to fine tune with the patented stepless micro adjuster, easy to remove the hopper to clean (just like the Mazzer), easy to remove the upper burr (without disturbing the grind settings) and it looks great next to Giotto.
    In my opinion it makes a good grinder that is comparable to that industrial dinosaur everyone raves about, the Mazzer, only a better size for home use...
    I(I have both owned and operated a Mazzer SJ and a Mazzer mini as well as several other grinders over the years and I love this little grinder.

    A negative point is when you use single and double baskets you would need to reset the timer or else it will overfill the single basket if set up for a double. Or you can just turn off the grinder with the on/off switch instead of adjusting the timer.

    The boxy beanholder is not the greatest design for bean flow through but looks good on the square body of the grinder.
    IThe hopper is available in two sizes, a handsome 250 gram holder and a 500 gram one.

    It is now several months later and I have used the grinder on a daily basis as I sold my old grinder and bought the Eureka MCI outright from Henk.
    That is how much I like it.
    I have removed the finger guard as large beans would some times get stuck under it (it just pulls off) and that is the only semi modification I have done to it.

    The grinder switched off once on overload as some beans got stuck in the burrs, I removed the beans, switched it back on and away it went.

    It is easy to remove the hopper with beans in it due to the sliding metal plate that when pushed in stops the beans from exiting the hopper. "



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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    Photo of the MCIs clumpy grind:



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    And a photo of the same grind after running a needle throgh it.



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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    Hi KK,

    Greg Kaan bought a nuova simonelli MCF a while back. The NS MCF is the NS rebranded version of the Eureka MCF; it is the one with the doser. The grinder is small, quiet, has a good quality fit and finish and performs pretty well. However, it is exceptionally slow. The doser has a lot of plastic in it and the spring feels fairly week, however it sweeps pretty cleanly.

    I dont think that it is really very sensible to draw a hard line on the side of doserless or dosered grinders; you need to consider each one. IMHO, the Compak K3T is superior to the dosered Compak K3 because the doserless grinder performs relatively well, whereas the dosered grinder has an irritating built-in timer and an irritating plastic portafilter holder fork. In the case of the Conti Valerio/Nuova Simonelli domestic grinders, Greg and I would contend that the dosered grinder is the superior one because the doserless is quite slow and, from yorgous photos, delivers a very clumpy grind. Better to start the grinder grinding, walk off and measure out your milk or whatever, then come back and dispense from the doser than to stand there holding the portafilter for a while.

    You might want to check, but I think that the burrs are 50mm in diameter as opposed to the 58mm diameter of the small compak and mazzer grinders. Last time that I checked, the NS grinder was near 800 bucks, which strikes me as simply not competitive with the mazzer and compak offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1208479853/0#4 date=1208491980
    I always forget about the Compak K3T - I forget that its in the same catagory as the Rocky etc, cos its such a solid one. Yeah, Ill add my vote for the K3T!
    I wouldnt lump the K3T in the same category as the Rocky. I find it a much better grinder, just that its at a similar price point to the Rocky.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Grinder info required on Eureka Mignon

    I found that the Rocky ground even better than standard with the stepless mod using the small diameter black plastic tube around the hoppers surround...incremental (by the mm) and the carriers are tight...result is very very consistent grind and very precise. Very easy mod and makes the heavy old girl a winner.

    Cheers



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