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    Cheapo grinders

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    I bought a cheap grinder (Dualit burr grinder) for home, before coming across the CS website. Being a complete noob, I assumed you just needed something to grind coffee, but from reading a few posts, it seems the quality of the grinder is what counts.

    Has anyone used one of these grinders? Should I abandon it altogether and look for something else?



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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    Quote Originally Posted by cantoccino link=1223007119/0#0 date=1223007116
    I bought a cheap grinder (Dualit burr grinder) for home, before coming across the CS website. *Being a complete noob, I assumed you just needed something to grind coffee, but from reading a few posts, it seems the quality of the grinder is what counts.
    That was my story exactly. It wasnt till I started researching espresso machines that I stumbled onto this, and a cuppla other very informative sites.
    Ive since been spending money hand over fist upgrading to better equipment, although I did get by pretty well with my Sunbeam grinder. I reckon its not a bad unit and a bargain for the money. I recently upgraded to a Mazzer and the difference in flavour is obvious...but at about 4 times the price of my Sunbeam Id expect it to be.

    Obviously if money is no object then shoot for the high end stuff. Get the best you can possibly afford.

    Or you could just tread water for a while, ask heaps of questions, and do lotsa research till youre 100% sure what you want/need/can afford *:)


    Sorry I dont know anything about the grinder you have but theres sure to be someone here who does.

    welcome to CS

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    Hi and welcome,

    What you have is basically the same as the delonghi http://www.delonghi.com.au/products/...sp?Model=KG100

    you can spend a little or a lot on grinders, I had an Ibiteral Challenge for a few months that made fairly good coffee shots for around the $3-350 mark new. Just arrived today I have an Ascaso i-mini which apart from being polished aluminium seems to have the same burr set and produces similar grind.

    I have just got a couple of ex commercial grinders and the grind consistancy (small bits to big bits ratio) is much much better. If you are currently only grinding for plunger then what you have wil be fine but if you are looking for cafe quality espresso then you will need to upgrade.

    happy upgrading ;)

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    Thanks Gronk62 and Beanflying for the info and suggestions. Im grinding for an espresso machine, so Ill look for something more worthy.

    I didnt realise there was a small bits to big bits ratio to consider either. So much to learn....

    Cheers.

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    The consistancy of the grind will by and large determine the consistancy of the coffee shots across the portafilter. ie. if the grind was uneven and the larger bits were more to one side of the portafilter then you could well get gushing from that side and very little extraction from the other due to the pressurised water taking the easy route through, and the next one you dosed and tamped would more than likely be different to the previous one therefore producing even more areas of inconsistancy. As you mentioned earlier, yes the grinder is a very important piece of equipment and as one of the previous members mentioned I too agree that a second hand commercial grinder ie. gino rossi will do the job extremely well with very little effort and cash outlay. I picked up a gino rossi with my espresso machine didnt know anything about them but do now, they are known as a deli grinder, big robust and reliable not to mention extremely consistant oh did i mention "big" I once had two of them and called them my twin towers, they are big and often go for about the $400 mark for a good one. You can go for the sunbeam em0480 and modify the heck out of it like some of us have already and achieve a quite acceptable grind from it but it takes some modding to achieve this; the necessary info on this is in the grinders heading called "how to fix those dreaded em0480 problems for good" or something like that if I remember correctly, it was written quite some time ago and I still use my 0480 at times for different beans or to take away somewhere else for fresh coffee and still works well. Anyway I hope this helps.......... Ray.

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    Hey.

    Im using an emo480 with my Expobar Semi-Auto. Ive had the grinder for 1 & 1/2 years now and its doing ok. Its pretty inconsistent though, especially when the hopper is close to empty. And its pretty messy.

    My advice would be, if you can, wait a bit and save your $$. Then get something better. Im going to start saving for a Compak K3 touch, or, if I can hold out long enough, a Macap M4D.

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    or, if I can hold out long enough, a Macap M4D
    That is the way to go Mike
    I have the Macap M4D grinder and very happy with it

    KK

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    I too was heading the way of the M4D, but I believe they have dropped the stepped version and the November shipment will all be wormdrive. That makes it a bit awkward for always changing the grind for the afternoon decafs.

    Ive already got a corner of the kitchen to myself so I dont think the manager would like having two grinders on the bench. I think the Mazzers are easily changed for different grinds?

    KK you might have yourself a collectors item!

    Cheers

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    And with the way things are going for the aussie $ atm, I cant help but wonder if there will be any such thing as the cheapo grinder in the not so distant future.

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1223007119/0#8 date=1223423972
    And with the way things are going for the aussie $ atm, I cant help but wonder if there will be any such thing as the cheapo grinder in the not so distant future.
    Yes- I agree.

    Most espresso equipment is purchased in Euro, but we have taken a battering against that also.

    My recommendation- buy from exisitng stocks and do it soon. Prices will almost certainly rise.

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    I think mods may have to have the Brewing Equipment $ limits indexed in line with the Aussie dollar. My black Levetta will become a pointy end machine before the years out. 8-)

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    Quote Originally Posted by mikelikescoffee link=1223007119/0#5 date=1223250880
    Hey.

    Im using an emo480 with my Expobar Semi-Auto. Ive had the grinder for 1 & 1/2 years now and its doing ok. Its pretty inconsistent though, especially when the hopper is close to empty. And its pretty messy.
    It seems that each EM0480 has its own personality.

    Ive had one for 6 months and get a consistent grind every day, and once I settled on 1 type of bean, have never had to move the grind setting off 15.

    However, I measure 1 cups worth of beans in for each use, as I only ever make 1 cup at a time. This means there is no variable downward feed pressure in the hopper. I guess if youre going to store beans in the hopper it may be an idea not to let it get less than half empty?

    As for the mess, my experience is that the silicon spout extension reduces the scatter by maybe 50%. It has completely got rid of any clumping.


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    I found the EM0480 I just sold very consistent. In the 5 months I owned it I only had one experience where it seemed to be really off. Not sure why? I followed someones suggestion and ground a bit through it at the coursest setting, then dialled back. Worked fine again. Typically I would adjust from setting 12>15 depending on beans. I only filled the hopper to where the beans were just starting to surround the top of the "little round table" *:D at the base of the hopper and this would suffice for 2 double shots. I would grind 1 double baskets worth directly into the little plastic container that came with it, then transfer to portafilter basket. Very little to zero mess once I got the hang of it. My only real complaint was the large amount of grinds left in the grinder chute, especially the next day when they had a bit of a chance to dry out. Quite a lot of wastage. However, overall I found the SB good value for a "cheapo grinder". *:)

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    Particuarly good if you mod the crap out of it, mine is still good.......

    Ray.

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    Ive had the chance to use a couple of what would be considered lower / middle range grinders namely the Rancilio Rocky and Ascaso i-Home

    Both offer very similar grind quality with the Ascase being 100 - 150 dollars cheaper than the Rocky, stepless adjustment was quite slow and labourious though, and grinding slightly louder than the Rocky

    if youre only grinding for 1 style and dont mind a slightly louder grinder, then the Ascase would be a good buy

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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    Where do you get the silicon spout extension from?

    For all my moaning, the 480 does a good job. I pulled about 50 coffees on Sunday and it didnt let me down.

    Any good pointers for modification web sites?

    Any recommendations for when the burrs should be replaced?


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    Re: Cheapo grinders

    Quote Originally Posted by mikelikescoffee link=1223007119/0#15 date=1223979604
    Where do you get the silicon spout extension from?
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1217234963 :)



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    Where do you get the silicon spout extension from?


    Theyre out of stock. Tentative date of delivery is 31st December.

    Looks like il have to wait. I think Ill replace my burrs though. The girl at Sunbeam said youre supposed to do it every 6 months. Il let you know how it goes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelikescoffee link=1223007119/0#17 date=1224027937
    Where do you get the silicon spout extension from?


    Theyre out of stock. Tentative date of delivery is 31st December.

    Looks like il have to wait. I think Ill replace my burrs though. The girl at Sunbeam said youre supposed to do it every 6 months. Il let you know how it goes.
    Every 6 months ??? Interesting as my grinder does about 1kg every 10 days and have not looked at changing the burrs...

    On that note, what burrs are used in the EM0480 ?

    If coffeeparts has them, or another sponsor they will be my first port of call.

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    Ive emailed coffee parts to see if i can use another companies burrs in the Sunbeam.

    On another note. How do you quote other peoples posts so that it appears in your response in a green box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelikescoffee link=1223007119/0#19 date=1224029492
    Ive emailed coffee parts to see if i can use another companies burrs in the Sunbeam.

    On another note. How do you quote other peoples posts so that it appears in your response in a green box?
    Two ways ;D

    1: Select the Quote option at the top R/H side of their post
    2: Use the following code [ quote] text you want in highlight [ /quote] but remove the extra spaces that I have inserted between the Front [ and the command quote. The / defines the end of the quote.

    Always try to identify the post or the author so that others know who said what.



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