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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi everyone and thanks so much for your help so far in my journey.

    There is a possibility I can get a used Mazzer Super Jolly but I would like to know what to watch out for in buying used.

    I know that this is a great machine built to last forever but are there things I need to look for or attend to? Questions in no particular order:

    1. There is currently coffee left in the machine, unsure age, could have been weeks. Is this a problem and does it cause any problems for the burrs?

    2. The burrs - I dont know how to assess the burrs for age and need for replacement - is this an easy to learn skill or not? If they are ok now, how will I know when I need to replace them?

    3. Servicing - is an initial "service" recommended for a machine of unknown history?

    Anything else?

    Thanks.

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    Commercial Cafe grinders dont usually present any problems except if something is obviously broken, or if say, the auto on /off switch is not working....so basically you need to switch it on and test operation. If it works...it works.

    Otherwise you can simply expect to do a bit (a lot) of cleaning because in most work situations, no one ever cleans a grinder. Just chuck the left overs in the grinder away, use a vacuum cleaner to suck it out, wipe with soft cloths, wash the hopper iin warm soapy water etc. etc.etc.

    Dont be concerned with the state of the burrs. Most of the stuff that has been written in forums like this is just scare mongering. A set of burrs, depending on the type of coffee used and the adjustment as set up by the particular operator, should be good for somewhere over say 400 kilos give or take.....

    Use it to make coffee. If the coffee is good, dont worry about the burrs. If the coffee is not good, and you think it is attributable to the burrs, change them.

    If you are concerned than by all means get the burrs changed, then at a "domestic use" rate of say 300 grams coffee a week, at an arbitrary lifetime for the burrs of say 400 kilos, you wont need to worry about it again in the lifetime of the grinder at your home (because that equates to 1,333 weeks or 25.5 years *;) - use before they theoretically go blunt...).

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    PS please note however it is entirely overkill to buy this model grinder for home use and you will have trouble if you want to place it under overhead cupboards because of its height. The only reason for buying something like this for home use is if the price is cheap, and you have the space...Otherwise buy a macap M4 or a mini mazzer or a compak K whatever or some other good model but more appropriately sized grinder where the quality of the grind delivered is not in question.


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    Hi, I think Ive been sucked into upgraditis even before buying in the first place :p

    I was advised by some here to consider a used SJ if I was considering a new MM for the same price.

    The more I thought about it, the more the idea appealed.

    Ive heard of something in passing about a problem with "cross threading" the grinder - not sure if this was for the SJ or for any similar Mazzer model.

    Is this a concern and are there any other concerns?

    I would be buying this "sight unseen" with no more than a "dead on arrival" warranty.

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    Cross-threading - it can be done on any grinder where the upper burr carrier screws into a thread but it can only happen when you completely remove the upper burr carrier (which you only need to do for cleaning) and if youre really careless when screwing it back in. Ive had mine apart countless times and have never had an issue. Disregard that as a potential problem for all intents and purposes.

    So long as youre happy with the appearance of the unit and it works, youll be fine as Attilio said. With all due respect to the well wishers, I think youve been a bit scared off by a whole lot of potential problems that youre most unlikely to come across. Easily done when you dont know any better but from my own experience owning a Mini and a SJ the only things you need to consider are 1) space, particularly height (remove the hopper as I have and its no taller than a Rancilio Silvia), 2) price and 3) aesthetics of a second-hand unit. If the worst comes to the worst and you have to change burrs, coffeeparts has them for $AU37.50 (not sure if theyre genuine or not), so maybe $AU120 at the worst, probably cheaper.

    Find one and buy it, you wont look back.

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    Finding one is my biggest difficulty, and because it will be "sight unseen" I am trying to work out how best to assess any options that come up.

    Cosmetics is not a great concern to me (well it is, but not $600 worth).

    Fortunately I have found a local enthusiastic coffee merchant who is knowledgeable in the Mazzers and said that he could change the burrs if I wanted to (I probably wont need to though from your accounts), and sounded like he could offer other basic assistance too. He also confirmed thoughts here that not much really goes wrong with them.

    He said that they are hard to come by in the used market but is going to email his contacts to see what he can come up with :D

    Its also really cool that his brown beans are $25/kg as opposed to the usual $40/kg in New Zealand. And fair trade at that!

    Now that waiting starts...

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    On the basis of your advice that you would be buying sight unseen my advice to you is....DONT.

    Buy something more appropriate, local, that you can see and touch and see running.

    In fact, the local person you have been talking to must have something to offer you........you dont NEED to be buying a ***brand*** name sight unseen when this bloke may well have perfectly good equipment of another brand that will be a perfectly good piece of equipment for you.

    Do not fall into the trap of becoming a brand name junkie from reading these forums where only a select few brands seem to be "acceptable" clobber for coffeesnobs. With this type of attutude, consumers often fall into the trap of forcing their local suppliers to get something in for them when there was something perfectly suitable for them there all the time in the local blokes range....but of a different brand....and for which the appropriate after sales service is much more readily available.

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    Hi FC.

    I really have little option if I am to go for a SJ. It could take 10 years to find a local one in my small town.

    So the choice is:

    Unseen used SJ with uncertain history vs. Local brand new MM

    By all accounts here the SJs should work forever? Not sure if thats right but thats the impression Im getting and if a minor service was required then it would still come in under the MM price.

    What problems would you forsee buying a used SJ then Fresh_Coffee? I will be guaranteed against "dead on arrival" but nothing further after I assess it to be "working".

    Why do I want a Mazzer? Its not simply the brand. Having seen the Rancilio Rocky (and knowing about the stepped grind adjustment), I believe that anything less (knowing me) will result in upgraditis, and I dont want to get into that situation - especially in my small town with no easy used market to upgrade from.

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    Dont worry about the ***stepped adjustment*** chestnut. *It falls into the same category as the "my burrs might be blunt" chestnut.

    Stepped adjustment is not a problem with semi commercial and commercial grinders and in some instances it is a distinct advantage.....it is really only a problem in low end grinders.

    Avtually if I were to be looking at a used super jolly sight unseen as opposed to a new mm for a similar price...for home use...I would be taking the new mm. Any price differential will be completely forgotten in a couple of years time. Thats only my personal opnion and it is tempered by my PS above. The SJ wont do anything for you that the mm wont do for you in domsetic use except allow you questionable bragging rights like "mines bigger than yours". And as already stated, the SJ is too big for a domestic kitchen. Honestly...it does nothing for you. Its kind of like buying a 10 wheel Mack prime mover for the wife to drive the kids to school with every morning, just because it was a good price and youll never vhave to upgrade again???????

    Possible problems already given above.

    All that said there is no doubt a semi commercial or commercial grinder like mazzer, macap gino rossi, simonelli, compaq, faema, la cimballi etc etc etc etc etc will be a nicer proposition than the rocky but we are not talking commercial use.

    Choose your weapon and go for it you will be happy either way but atleast you go into it with your eyes open.

    Oh another possible problem with buying a used grinder.......if it is not packed properly for despatch and dare I say in the original packaging (and noone ever keeps that)......it could arrive with a broken hopper, down where the neck goes into the top if the adjuster ring....and that is an expensive little spare part to order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1226270246/0#7 date=1226278385
    The SJ wont do anything for you that the mm wont do for you in domsetic use except allow you questionable bragging rights like "mines bigger than yours". And as already stated, the SJ is too big for a domestic kitchen. Honestly...it does nothing for you. Its kind of like buying a 10 wheel Mack prime mover for the wife to drive the kids to school with every morning, just because it was a good price and youll never vhave to upgrade again???????
    I couldnt entirely agree with this in the context of a blanket statement because it depends what the home user wants. For many the Minis perfectly adequate, sure its more the right size for home, but having used both I find the SJ superior because 1) its ~30% faster and 2) it has a decent metal dregs tray thats big enough to catch all the mess and keep the benchtop clean and doesnt rely on flimsy plastic lugs that break within three months to keep it in place. If space isnt an issue, some may be prepared to pay a bit more for the sake of faster grinding and a cleaner benchtop. Others may not. Its an individual thing. Best to state the facts and let the user decide how those facts fit their requirements.

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    What about taste?

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    Mines bigger than yours....:)





    ps... I have not used the MM but the SJ sure is a nice bit of kit and looks the business next to the commercial machine. It has a massive motor and weighs a bomb and one might expect that you would give it to you kids one day...I dont know whether the MM has quite the same longevity of not but I personally wouldnt exchange mine and I bought mine new of Chris knowing what the extra (albeit not much extra on the deal he was doing) was for.

    Cheers

    PS. Fresh Coffee - I agree that this forum tends to recommend the same few pieces of equipment time and time again, but perhaps that is because its members have used, tested and known of different machines and have decided what they like...and are generous enough to share that information with people who might not have had that exposure...provided the reasons are given for their recommendations I dont see the problem

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    Runfast - according to the US Titan grinder project challenge the SJ outgunned the big king of Mazzer for some shots. Those reviews also assert that the SJ is a step up quality wise from the MM but I dont think Greg came to that conclusion in his tests here.

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    Unfortunately Greg, many used SJs here have lost their dregs tray! And the distributor quoted me about $80 for a replacement - ouch!!

    But yes, the plastic tray on the MM sucks as it would break my heart when it broke as it seems destined to do :(

    Fresh_Coffee Im from a small town in a small country - there is limited choice when it comes to equipment so buying locally generally means Mazzer or Isomac. Or of course the Rancilio Rocky.

    Ive stated before that one reason Id like to brag that "mines bigger than yours" is simply to completely quell the need to upgrade and therefore that itchy feeling of upgraditis.

    Used Super Jollys can be had for slightly cheaper than a new MM. But by many accounts here I would find value in the SJ if it was cheaper than the MM due to its features as long as I had space for it.

    Does the SJ doser sweep dry or just better than the MM?

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    depends on model....mine sweeps well by the MM of the same vintage changed to sweep just as well as I understand it.

    Cheers

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    I wont be too disappointed if it doesnt sweep completely clean.

    I was surprised at how "dirty" the MM is though - I didnt imagine it would be as bad as I saw on a basically brand new machine.

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    I have to support what Attilio wrote above....

    If you can buy a used SJ that is in good nick (verified either by yourself or someone you trust) then just buy it mate. Theres no need to go on with endless questions about its suitability... Its a fully commercial grade grinder made to a spec that includes a requirement for years of reliable service. In a home situation it will last you forever and to be quite honest, unless you are one of these people who happen to have a "Super Palate", then you would not be able to taste the difference between brews made from beans ground with this grinder or any other well known brand of commercial grinder.

    Time for a decision I think, either buy a used SJ or a new MM.... Both will perform equally well in a domestic situation and the final decision should come down to one of appearance and ergonomics. It would be a different matter entirely if we were tossing up between a SB EM0480 and a Rancilio Rocky but were not comparing apples and oranges here, just apples of a different size and maybe colour. Go for it, make a decision and with either choice you will be happy with the outcome.... Guaranteed [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    not that it matters, but if it were me, itd be the SJ by a fairly long shot.
    30% faster BIG points here (i have a robur at work 5 sec max for a double V my iberital 20 secs for a double (painful) so grind time is important for ME
    heavier
    more heavy duty internals
    true commercial duty
    wont move around on the bench as much/at all
    if i went the MM over the SJ i think id always be wondering if i should have bought the "bigger" baby.

    (then again, maybe i shouldve just got the damn robur... :o )

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    Its hard to go backwards anyway. I have a SJ, and whenever I use a MM I cant get over how slow it is. I used to think my Rocky was quick enough. Its all relaltive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1226270246/0#15 date=1226308739
    Time for a decision I think, either buy a used SJ or a new MM....
    Unfortunately for some of us Kiwis, its not so easy to go through with a decision - not through lack of will but through lack of availability.

    I still havent heard back from the handful of options I have for a used SJ. Tis the penalty we pay for living in paradise : ;)

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    Paradise is somewhere with unlimited grinder choices.

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    Ok I MAY have something lined up. I dont want to set myself up for disappointment.

    See attached photo. There appears to be ??rust around the grind adjustment ring?

    Cause for concern??

    Obviously there are chips but Im not too fussed. Will try to get up a better photo later.

    I have been offered a money back guarantee if Im not happy after seeing it in the flesh and a short warranty against failure too. So should be good?


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    Gawd,

    I have never seen one in such terrible condition. What did they do to it and wheres the SS dregs tray??

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    Looks like a new dregs tray to me still with the protective cover over it. If so then you wont get a better dregs tray than that. The units sure been knocked around a bit, but cosmetic things can be fixed up, a fundamentally poor / marginal construction cant be. I cant quite see in the photo but from the shape of the switch it looks like a timer model rather than whatever the one you sold me was Chris - auto-start or something I guess. Either way, no particular cause for concern, just a different way of using it.

    The stuff round the grinds adjustment ring would just be stray coffee, theres nothing in there to rust apart from the springs but theres no moisture in that area to cause rusting anyway. The bodys cast alloy I think and the grind adjustment ring is chromed brass. So nothing ferrous. If youre happy with the price and the condition I cant see anything wrong with it (same would apply for a Mini of course), these things are like old Holdens (if you have them over there!) - they keep going forever. Especially since choices over there dont seem to be in abundance. I guess if you were prepared to reveal the price to us wed be able to say whether its good value to a Mini unless youre already happy it is.

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    I think thats the old(er) shape of the SJ right. Ive no idea when they changed it, maybe others know. I think the newer ones have a shorter base under the dosing forks.

    FWIW, Ive seen some SJs in worse condition (cosmetically), still in cafes being used. Be intersting to know why its so beat-up.

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    yeh the newer ones have a taller base and a slightly larger body. sorry greg, im not convinced that that isnt rust near where the hopper sits, or under the adjustment. its abit hard to tell from the photos though. how much are you paying for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupy link=1226270246/20#24 date=1226383599
    yeh the newer ones have a taller base and a slightly larger body. sorry greg, im not convinced that that isnt rust near where the hopper sits, or under the adjustment. its abit hard to tell from the photos though. how much are you paying for it?
    Yeppers- I forgot about the old body :-[

    That one really looks like it spent an extended time at a quarry near the beach. I cant inderstand how they could knock it around so badly...

    We had busy cafes and ours looked a heap better....

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupy link=1226270246/20#24 date=1226383599
    yeh the newer ones have a taller base and a slightly larger body. sorry greg, im not convinced that that isnt rust near where the hopper sits, or under the adjustment. its abit hard to tell from the photos though. how much are you paying for it?
    History of the machine is that it has been used on short term loan or rental throughout its life, as opposed to "one careful owner".

    Is there any difference to the older model grinder apart from appearance?

    I dont want to reveal the price yet (happy to do so once Ive sealed the deal), but lets just say its a lot less than $500 (new MM $800).

    Using my "CSI vision", here is a detailed closeup of the possible rust?

    And I just realised that it has lost the grind adjustment handle. I suspect I will secure this first (bird in the hand) and then seek a sexier model at my leisure as this should be able to be onsold quite easily.


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    still hard to tell if thats rust or grinds. im leaning towards grinds.
    in any event, if you have a guarantee of money back, whats the harm done?

    then again, its a little worse for wear externally. but that doesnt mean thats the same story internally.
    theres no cracks in the hopper and the dosing chamber looks clean from the photo. often on evilbay youll see pics of badly stained dosing chamber windows - real filth, which is not the case here....

    theres USUALLY an element of "well il buy it and see what it needs" (read, TIME and possibly MONEY) when buying used equimpment.


    no one here can say what you should do. its a little bit of a gamble i guess, BUT with the money back guarantee, that gamble is reduced

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    If, when I hopefully get this, I took photos of the burrs and posted them here, would anyone here be able to tell the condition of them? Or is a 2D picture useless for telling that?

    And is it easy to dismantle one of these machines? I wont have manual so might need to look for one. Does anyone know if the newer model has differences "under the bonnet"?

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    Looks very grindsey to me. Mine has something similar which smelt a lot like coffee and wiped off with a cloth. If its rust can someone please tell me what material in that area could be rusting, considering the same rust is also in the holes of the brass collar? Check the Mazzer site and youll see theres normally a peg that screws into those holes to make it easier to adjust the grind. May like to check if theyve got that, though Im sure theyd be cheap to buy or make. If its rust Ill eat my rusty plastic doser lid!

    If the burrs are real bad you should be able to see blunt cutting edges or gouges but itll more be by feel. With mine if you push your thumb gently against them and run it down you can feel its quite sharp. Doesnt cut you but you can feel its a sharp edge. If the collar has screws in the top of it, unscrew those, five full turns clockwise and the top burr carrier comes out and there are your burrs. 30 second job literally. Just be aware there are three springs that the burr carrier sits against (three fingers on the carrier lines up with these) and make sure these dont come out with the burr carrier and then drop on the floor.

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    With respect, *ahmadnz will not have a hope of determining the state of the burrs in the grinder.

    My advice is this:
    Dont fix something that aint OR may not be broke.

    If you are going to buy this, take it out of the box, check it over visually to see there is nothing obviously broken then switch it on and see that it runs. Switch off, then:

    give it a good external clean up with a soft cloth and a brush.
    If necessary remove the hopper and wash it in warm soapy water
    While the hopper is off you can see into the inlet throat of the grinder. Take a vacuum cleaner and simply suck it out.
    If the throat is encrusted with broken, oily, pasty pieces of bean and grinds, scrape them up with a spoon or something without gouging into the metal, and again suck it out with a vacuum cleaner.
    Run the grinder for a few seconds (WITHOUT STICKING YOUR FINGER INTO THE INLET AND GETTING IT CHOPPED oFF) so it will empty whatever is left between the burrs into the dispenser.
    Stick the suction tube of the vacuum cleaner into the grinds dispenser and suck out what you can.

    Clean it up and put the hopper back on when it is thoroughly dry.

    If Ive left anything out abover it wasnt for lack of goodwill or trying!

    Grind coffee for your machine ie set the grind to the machine and according to your particular technique and to suit the beans you have bought.

    Lastly Enjoy and dont worry about appearance being an indication of overall condition. Many cafe clients are extremely rough on the equipment, and it is a lot worse on the coffee machines themselves than on the ginders. Commercial grinders are TOUGH....what you see is only cosmetic on the outside. If the price is right forget about tha appearance you can always paint it up some other time. If it bothers you dont buy it in the first place.

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    If you are really worried about the condition of the grinding burrs after that, ask & then and I will give you a couple of very simple pointers that do not require you to needlessly disassemble the carrier to inspect the burrs and still not know what you are looking at even when you have them in your hot little hand. My opinion is you first need to learn how to set it up and use it in conjunction with whatever machine you buy to get a good coffee. Until you have done that my advice is to forget the burrs....you wil have a miriad of other variables to worry about first.

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    Im not a businessman. I dont know business protocols. An example of this is that I consider it rude not to return phone calls in a timely fashion. Is this considered bad business? Because I hardly ever get phone calls returned if I leave a message (I have run around a few places this week about machines).

    So because of my lack of business knowhow, can someone tell me how likely it will be that business, having formed a VERBAL agreement to sell me this machine, and having taken my credit card details for payment, and having sent me emails with the photo of the grinder I am interested in, will suddenly decide that the sale will not go ahead for whatever reason they come up with?

    Or am I being paranoid?

    Oh how I wish I was in the same city and could just go and pick it up right this minute....

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    This is the Robur Con used in the Australian Barista Championship (2nd place)!

    Appearances can be deceptive!











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    No you are not being paranoid particularly if you have given them your credit card number for payment. Note however they may just be slow to react, pack up and send...doesnt mean they are not on the case for you.....

    In any case note that when you pay be credit card but havent signed the credit card slip (as in mail order...and sometimes even when you have signed the slip) there is always a way out for you ***if you have been defrauded*** in some way. There has to be a legitimate reason for you to go down this path or your credit card merchant will not act on your behalf, but if you dont get satisfaction call your credit card merchant and they will tell you how to make a claim back through them.


    Hope this helps,
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    Yes Im certainly not worried about being scammed. Thats why I chose credit card payment and they are by all accounts a reputable business with a multi-city presence.

    Im more worried about the possibilty that something comes up and they wont sell it any more. Hence my paranoia.

    I just noticed that it doesnt have the plastic thing for keeping beans in the hopper but out of the grinder. Is that of concern to me or can I do without? Hopefully it is just not installed/in the picture.

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    I thought I saw that sliding gate on the pic above... these are small things that can be bought after. If youre getting a massive bargain, spending a bit getting it up to scratch cosmetically isnt a big deal imo.

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    Ah yes I think I can make that out thanks.

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    If youre using it at home for one to two shots at a time you wont even need the hopper. Mine is in the back of a cupboard somewhere and I only put it on when Im taking it out somewhere. The throat is deep enough to hold ~20-30g of coffee. I spoon the amount of beans I need into the throat, stick the hopper lid inverted over the throat to stop bits of bean jumping out and grind away. Others use a filter basket or a spare tamper. Simple solution and results in much less of a vertical intrusion. Presuming your beans are stored in air-tight bags and you grind on demand (otherwise why bother having a grinder), the hopper will simply be an unnecessary oversized funnel.

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    Re: Buying a USED Mazzer SJ Grinder - advice pleas

    You guys are really really incredible. Thanks for taking me along on your coffee journeys :)

    Ok another option has come in. Different shape, but still not one Im familiar with. Maybe you guys can help me out again. Apologies for the poor resolution. I am trying to get a better one.

    This one doesnt appear to have a dregs tray (bummer!), and it has a weird hollow thing under the bit where the portafilter sits (not sure the name of that).

    Thoughts appreciated as always!!


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    Re: Buying a USED Mazzer SJ Grinder - advice pleas

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadnz link=1226270246/20#38 date=1226447867

    This one doesnt appear to have a dregs tray (bummer!), and it has a weird hollow thing under the bit where the portafilter sits (not sure the name of that).

    Thoughts appreciated as always!!
    I dont think its a hollow thing... Looks to me like a reflection along with some grinds sitting on the slope. I may be wrong though :-?

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    Any grinder you get offered of this sort of spec will be much of a muchness on performance - theyll all be second-hand, theyll all have some wear and marks, but they should all do a similar job of grinding coffee, so the decision will be a personal thing - looks, price, condition etc. Weigh up those factors in the options you get given and make a decision on one. I would however think if youve already paid for the other one youre bound to honour your agreement to go ahead with the purchase as much as the seller is. *:-?

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    I dont think Ive ever come across so much procrastination in all my life.

    If it runs and you like it, buy it and give it a clean. It may need new burs so factor that into the price.

    Just do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1226270246/40#40 date=1226448945
    I would however think if youve already paid for the other one youre bound to honour your agreement to go ahead with the purchase as much as the seller is. *:-?
    Oh dont worry about this :)

    Ill take both if both are available ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1226270246/40#41 date=1226449229
    I dont think Ive ever come across so much procrastination in all my life.

    If it runs and you like it, buy it and give it a clean. *It may need new burs so factor that into the price.

    Just do it!
    I have been through that road before, as usual the barrier to a new hobby is the initial investment that goes with it. That said, everything is relative, as the ego to get the biggest whacker of a toy there is has no relevance to bank account size ;D

    (speaking from my own experience)

    So Ahmad, I agree with Dennis, just do it then you can start talking coffee experience than worry about rusts.

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    Re: Buying a USED Mazzer SJ Grinder - advice pleas

    that new photos is the old super jolly

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudy link=1226270246/40#43 date=1226452783
    So Ahmad, I agree with Dennis, just do it then you can start talking coffee experience than worry about rusts.
    But there is no procrastination. Not since yesterday when I supplied payment for one.

    I just need something to mull over while waiting for it to arrive.

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    Thought I may as well bump this thread along a bit more ::)
    It may need new burs so factor that into the price.
    I second this advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vicroamer link=1226270246/40#46 date=1226482641
    Thought I may as well bump this thread along a bit more ::)
    It may need new burs so factor that into the price.
    I second this advice.
    Im keen to open up the grinder to take a look if and when it arrives, but the advice of Fresh_Coffee was to leave it alone if I didnt know what I was doing?

    I usually like to have some sort of idea of the inner workings of my equipment if possible - is opening it for burr cleaning and inspection incredibly complicated? I havent searched for online "guides" yet but Im sure they must be around.

    And would brand new burrs cut my fingers if I ran them against them? Just so I know how hard to press if Im checking for their sharpness :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1226270246/20#29 date=1226404075
    If the burrs are real bad you should be able to see blunt cutting edges or gouges but itll more be by feel. With mine if you push your thumb gently against them and run it down you can feel its quite sharp. Doesnt cut you but you can feel its a sharp edge. If the collar has screws in the top of it, unscrew those, five full turns clockwise and the top burr carrier comes out and there are your burrs. 30 second job literally. Just be aware there are three springs that the burr carrier sits against (three fingers on the carrier lines up with these) and make sure these dont come out with the burr carrier and then drop on the floor.

    Greg
    Mine have had perhaps 10kg of use so brand new for all intents and purposes. I dont think theres anything in the above process a 12 year old couldnt do.

    Just buy one. Any of the ones youre looking at will be fine, so pick whichever one is the prettiest colour or represents the best value. Any of them will have worn burrs but exactly how worn will be hard to tell so dont worry about replacing them initially unless you can see gouges taken out of the burrs. Considering how much youll be saving over the Mini I dont think an extra $100-$150 on a new set of burrs is going to be a deal-breaker, and as such shouldnt be a cause of any concern at this point.

    Greg

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    Re: Buying a USED Mazzer SJ Grinder - advice pleas

    Hi Greg, yes as mentioned I have at least one coming on its way to me (hopefully unless for some reason there is a decision not to sell).

    But in examining the burrs do you know what I should be looking for? When you said the burrs should be sharp - how sharp? Would new burrs cut my finger if I pressed against them? Just so that I can be careful of course, but also so I have some idea on how to judge the condition.

    No doubt photos will follow at some stage.



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