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    Kyocera hand grinder

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    Hi Coffee Snobbers,
    There is a ceramic hand operated grinder available you can check it out here: commercial link removed
    I think it would cost about $120 including postage to Australia with the current exchange rate.
    The info text says it will grind to Turkish powder fine.
    You guys with a bit more experience, do you think it would be OK for some or all forms of coffee making? It isnt big and shiny, but will it cut the mustard, I mean grind the beans OK?

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    Looks like a good item and based on what second hand Zassenhaus grinders are bringing not that expensive. Still yet to see a hand grinder that will grind consistently enough for good espresso as you tend to get a range of particle sizes.

    Just consider 200 turns/14g = 2 minutes/double or there abouts that will vary a lot depending on how fine or course you are doing ::)

    Go on be the Guinea pig you know we want you to do it ;D

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    Thanks Beanflying, so it would probably be a step up from my $20 Aldi electric bean chomper but still a question mark about consistent grind size.

    Mmmmm... I was thinking that you would need fairly good aerobic fitness to get the coffee made in a timely manner *:)

    I was hoping someone else would be the guinea pig because Im currently trying to get permission to buy a pushbike. I donít think its good to ask for more than one thing at a time *;D

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    I played with one of these in Tokyo earlier this year. It was being sold to grind up powder for green tea.... its made in China from memory. $120 is too much for it IMHO. I wouldnt part more than $40 for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 544848574C2D0 link=1240128494/3#3 date=1240140567
    I played with one of these in Tokyo earlier this year. It was being sold to grind up powder for green tea.... its made in China from memory. $120 is too much for it IMHO. I wouldnt part more than $40 for one.
    Thanks Dan,
    That doesnt sound so good... It does look like just a high quality pepper grinder.
    But still, the guys from the orphan expresso website Commercial Link Removed *seem to care and they take time to write up little reports on things like the coffee machines they have repaired and tested.
    They write a glowing report about the Kyocera grinder and say that it grinds to Turkish powder fine which means finer than you need for normal expresso.
    I still think that someone should be the guinea pig so we all know for sure. *;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7853495248764E5C3B0 link=1240128494/4#4 date=1240187205
    I still think that someone should be the guinea pig so we all know for sure.
    It wont be me I already own two hand grinders and 3 electric ones 8-)

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    Hi Chris

    It might be me.

    I bought a Turkish grinder from Orphanespresso and it was rubbish so have sent it back (they happily accepted the return) and have asked them for a good price on the plastic/ceramic Kyocera.

    If/when it arrives Ill do a review on it and compare to my existing hand grinder which is a gem but getting tired as my Dad bought it in 1956 in Munich!

    The exchange rate though, does make it an expensive bit of plastic :o

    BTW I think the Kyocera tea grinder is different to the coffee one.

    If its anything like thier mobile phones they wont be too bad!

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7A7E717973667671781F0 link=1240128494/5#5 date=1240202866
    It wont be me I already own two hand grinders and 3 electric onesCool
    You have shown such good commitment that of course you deserve to have another one *;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C76727071727A737D1F0 link=1240128494/6#6 date=1240368877
    It might be me.

    I bought a Turkish grinder from Orphanespresso and it was rubbish so have sent it back (they happily accepted the return) and have asked them for a good price on the plastic/ceramic Kyocera.

    If/when it arrives Ill do a review on it and compare to my existing hand grinder which is a gem but getting tired as my Dad bought it in 1956 in Munich!
    Ahh yesss *:D
    Simon, you deserve some PNG Gouno Highlands that we are really enjoying atm. Please come in to the shop soon and grab some!

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    I have blown this months budget on Syphon #10 ::) and some overpriced Hario gear from Canada 8-) So I think the job is Simons.

    Look forward to the results.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Id try out the Kyocera but it doesnt make any sense to import it from the US. Surely you can source an importer of Japanese goods here. We import tons of other stuff from Japan, or if not even look at Japanese sites and try find one that ships to Aussie.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    I had a bit of a look around last and it seems that we do knifes and papper grinders from them and not the coffee grinder.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 6652414E4B67414C4C4147484552200 link=1240128494/9#9 date=1240403113
    Surely you can source an importer of Japanese goods here.
    Hi Frank, good point. I havent done enough searching around.

    Maybe tomorrow I will have time to have a look for a local supplier. Maybe we can find one locally and cheaper for Simon our nominated guinea pig.

    I was hoping that one or more of our site sponsors could stock it for us if we find that it works well. But first things first, we should nurture our brave guinea pig for now.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Hey ChrisMug,

    PM sent, there is an aussie distributor I think

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Thank guys for your help.
    Simon will get his Kyocera Grinder in about 2 weeks and will test it out for us.
    If it seems to work well enough for some of us guys to want one, we have some contacts so we can try to make them available locally.
    Im happy to wait for Simon to get back to us but if there is anyone who is interested now, let me know, I can make a start right away. :)

    Chris.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Hi All! If you want to see the grinder in action (by the way it is manufactured in Japan, not China) we posted a video of it in use in our video vault on our website - I dont know how to, or if its ok to post it here. We pulled the shot on our Wall Mount 58mm vintage lever Faema.

    Always happy to do what we can to keep shipping costs down, so if theres ever a time you want to do some type of group buy from us, just let us know & well do what we can to help.

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    Hi Barb,

    as it is a Utube Video with a general demo and not a commercial weblink I will run the risk of incurring the mod squads wrath ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e0AB...e=channel_page

    Love your site for the info BTW :)

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    Thanks - please excuse the videographers ineptitude...shes not paid much, but well... ;D

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    nice beard mate, nice shot of coffee too... not to forget the faema lever wall mounted machine, I love it, Ray. 8-)

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Doug and Barb,

    How does this grinder compare to your Turkish grinder for espresso grinding?

    How well would it work for a French press and AeroPress grinder? *And by that, I mean adjusting it for French press, then adjusting it for AeroPress, then back to French press, etc.

    Thanks,

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    From our usage, it works better for espresso, than a Turkish mill would work for espresso. As you loosen the burr on a Turkish mill it becomes more unpredictable. A turkish grinder is designed to grind very, very finely, for Turkish coffee, and doesnt have as good a capability for moving coarser. The Kyocera has a spring mechanism that keeps the burrs very even as they move apart for coarser grinds. Setting the burr is very easy, just take off the catch cup, and the adjustment knob is right on the bottom of the burr - very easy to access. No trouble to go from coarse, to fine, and back again.

    Barb

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Just letting you guys know that I am the Aussie distributor for these.

    But before I will accept any orders I want to work out something with Andy in terms of a faircrack donation/site sponsorship. .. the au$ price will be $99 + postage

    the grinder is fantastic, can grind super super fine, micro adjustable, washable, the collection chamber fits perfectly into an aeropress etc.

    Anyway .. I give Andy a call.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Here are some pics:

    Artistic shot of the Burr Grinder *(note the whole beans are for effect, this is the chamber where the grinds end up)




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    And to show you the consistency of the grinder, *heres are some Pucks from an Aeropress.

    oh .. forgot to mention .. a BIG PLUS of the grinder ... dosing is a breeze. *Fill the top chamber completely will fit 20grams of whole beans (you can squeeze in 21grams). * There are also "wings" inside the chamber, that will mark out 14grms.

    ok .. the pics .. both have been ground on 3 clicks up from zero, which is very fine .. clogs up all the espresso machines that Ive put this through. *But through the Aeropress .. no problems.

    And Kyocera also have a Green Tea Mill, but it is different to the Coffee Mill. *The Green Tea Mill is more like a Grater while the Coffee Mill is a Conical Burr.

    this is 21 grams(3clicks)


    and 35 grams (3clicks)

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 55416B5006340 link=1240128494/20#20 date=1240963783
    But before I will accept any orders I want to work out something with Andy in terms of a faircrack donation/site sponsorship. .. *the au$ price will be $99 + postage
    Getting ready to pounce here I had a laugh!

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    A few more questions:

    1. How even is the coarse grind for French press? *

    2. What does it produce for fines at that setting? *Im currently using an electric burr grinder that requires me to sift out the fines (about a 10% waste) before brewing in my press pot.

    The photos above were at three settings above zero: *

    3. How many grind settings are there in total? *

    4. How many settings does it have in the espresso range? *

    5. Is the difference between each setting small enough for dialing in espresso?


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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Good News,

    I will be going ahead with Site Sponsorship, *thanks to Andy *;D

    As an introductory offer, for the first 20 sales from CoffeeSnobs I will ship express post for FREE (East Coast Australia). *500grm Express Post satchel.

    The Price for the Kyocera Ceramic Grinder is au$99 of which $4 will go to faircrack.

    If you would like to Order please post in this thread and I will contact you with payment details. *I will also maintain a list so you will know where you are in the cue so to speak.

    If someone would like to write a detailed review PM me as I feel a review by me could be considered biased.

    Quote Originally Posted by 605F5C4461525A5D330 link=1240128494/24#24 date=1241009040
    A few more questions:
    1. How even is the coarse grind for French press?
    2. What does it produce for fines at that setting? *Im currently using an electric burr grinder that requires me to sift out the fines (about a 10% waste) before brewing in my press pot.
    Personally I have not used this for French Press so I cant answer that specifically. *Being only a novice coffee drinker this question would probably best be answered by a "seasoned" reviewer.

    I use it daily with my Aeropress. *I find it very consistent for this purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by 605F5C4461525A5D330 link=1240128494/24#24 date=1241009040
    The photos above were at three settings above zero: *
    3. How many grind settings are there in total? *
    4. How many settings does it have in the espresso range? *
    5. Is the difference between each setting small enough for dialing in espresso?
    The dialing of the Grinder is infinitely variable. *The clicks are there as guides. *You can dial it and stop wherever you want to, whether that is just after a click, halfway between clicks, just before a click .. etc.
    Here is a close up. *There are 8 clicks for a full turn.
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    http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6241/closeupburr.jpg[/img]

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Rudd$$$ just came in this morning, so sign me up for one of them babies! And Im east coast (reprazent yo!) - congrats on becoming a site sponsor too!

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    Good work on importing a decent grinder into Oz and the sponsorship :)

    I still dont NEED one but I might get one when I pay a few more bills ;D I will drop you a PM when ready 8-)

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    au_d2,

    How about this as an experiment (either by you or the person who does the detailed reveiw):

    Choose a relatively coarse grind and grind about 20-30 grams. *Brew it in the AeroPress using at least a one-minute steep time before pressing. *That should give enough time for the fines to settle to the bottom. *Then take a picture of the puck like the ones above. *I dont recommend drinking the coffee as it will likely be pretty weak--although you can if you want. *I just want to see some sort of experiment that may show the amount of fines in relation to the rest of the ground coffee.

    Barring that, you could just pick a coarse setting and grind onto a piece of paper, then take a picture of the ground coffee. *Many people put a coin or something similar in the picture for size reference.

    Or does anyone else have any suggestions for testing the coarse grind setting?

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    Had time to experiment tonight with just grinding. *The Missus wouldnt allow brewing as the smell was getting to her and had to cut the Mad Scientist routine for the night :)

    BEANs used .. Mix of Everything to get as much contrast as possible, surprising how even the colour gets on the lower settings. *Very consistent on the lower settings. *(Beans over 2 months old)

    Enjoy the pics

    Zero Clicks


    Two Clicks


    Four Clicks


    Six Clicks


    Eight Clicks


    Ten Clicks


    Twelve Clicks


    Zoomed out to get a different perspective ...
    Two Clicks


    Six Clicks


    Ten Clicks









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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 4753794214260 link=1240128494/25#25 date=1241067517
    As an introductory offer, for the first 20 sales from CoffeeSnobs I will ship express post for FREE (East Coast Australia). *500grm Express Post satchel.
    NOTE:
    Good ol Aussie Post will deliver that same satchel ANYWHERE in Australia for the same price. No need to restrict where the CSrs live. The only difference is that the further away they are from you the longer it takes (but mostly just an extra day to any address in Australia).

    PS: Those pictures are good.
    8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C5359443D0 link=1240128494/30#30 date=1241089485
    Quote Originally Posted by 4753794214260 link=1240128494/25#25 date=1241067517
    As an introductory offer, for the first 20 sales from CoffeeSnobs I will ship express post for FREE (East Coast Australia). *500grm Express Post satchel.
    NOTE:
    Good ol Aussie Post will deliver that same satchel ANYWHERE in Australia for the same price. *No need to restrict where the CSrs live. *The only difference is that the further away they are from you the longer it takes (but mostly just an extra day to any address in Australia).

    PS: Those pictures are good.
    8-)

    Excellent, I wasnt sure on the limitations on Aust Post Express Satchels.

    So ... offer is now open Aust wide .. wherever a 500grm Express Post Satchel will go on the standard rate ;)

    One Sold already to Melicious :D, 19 to go.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    hi au_d2.

    Ill take one please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4C5872491F2D0 link=1240128494/29#29 date=1241085536
    Had time to experiment tonight with just grinding. *The Missus wouldnt allow brewing as the smell was getting to her and had to cut the Mad Scientist routine for the night :)
    Yes, all the wives seem to suffer for our little hobby. *Let her know that her sacrifices are very much appreciated by all of us here.

    Nice photography.

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    PM sent. Yeah I know, how many hand grinders do you need??? :D

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    Sign me up for one, I have a few customers who are interested if they are up to the job.

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    Mistriss Solis has gone so Hand grider number 4 coming up ::) pm sent too ;D

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    CSs is awesome, thank you everyone for your support. *5 units have been shipped out today including 1 to NZ and 1 to Andy.

    so are you all ready for some more pictures? *Im going to try posting clickable links. *Get out the popcorn :)
    ..............
    Ok, as requested by SlowRain (this experiment was for COARSE grinding) ... I dialed this as far as practical. *Ground up 20grms and tried to brew it in the Aeropress. *More like a drip process.

    I kept topping up the brew chamber for about 2 mins, then proceeded with a very light press, here is the resultant PUCK ...

    As you can see no form to the puck ... lets try again
    A few clicks tighter

    mmm .. still not a firm puck, *In relation to the amount of fines, I note that after grinding, there seems to be lots of tiny fines, but once brewed .. it seems less.

    Getting your grinds from the Grinder to the Aeropress is simple. *A perfect fit for the Aeropress .. NO MESS *:)

    Attempt 3. click in a few more ... MMMM ... looks Yummy :)

    Attempt 4 .. click out from attempt 3 to get coarser *:) .. having fun yet?

    Heres a closeup of the Puck after brewing, and before I expel it from the Aeropress

    And the resultant Puck from attempt 4

    And Clean Up Time ... SuperEasy. *Kyocera Ceramic is also resistant to bleach.

    And finally ... some pics from earlier experiments
    7 clicks-21grms

    and 10 clicks-21grms


    Still a lot of variables to play with :) ... I would love to do a "The Grind Sessions" night to muck around with the Kyocera Ceramic Grinder and different brewing methods .. syphon, aeropress, plunger, presso, Espresso Machine etc.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Im keen. Need a hand grinder for my south america trip coming up to go with my aeropress...

    $99 delivered right?

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    Thanks. *Thats pretty much what I wanted to see.

    Im going to wait a bit to see what some of the others say who have ordered one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 363D27356A63520 link=1240128494/38#38 date=1241239848
    Im keen. Need a hand grinder for my south america trip coming up to go with my aeropress...

    $99 delivered right?

    Not going to Mexico are you 8-)

    YES ... $99 includes delivery and $4 Faircrack donation .. 15 units remaining at this price

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    [s]When can it be delivered by?[/s]

    I note from a previous post youre shipping now. Groovy.

    Ill take one thanks. Payment instructions?

    Epic76

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    +1

    How do I pay and organise delivery etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 565D47550A03320 link=1240128494/42#42 date=1241273483
    +1

    How do I pay and organise delivery etc?

    Just register your interest in this thread and I will send you a PM :)

    This will make it easy for everyone to track the first 20 offer, and I also welcome and encourage open discussion on the Grinder.

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    Yes Im possibly interested. I will however be in Italy sampling the real stuff so may not have a chance to follow this up without a reasonable delay.

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    money transferred and email sent ;D

    another item for my sig...

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    im interested - put me down for one!

    cheers!

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    PMs sent.

    Time for another Experiment .. I think youll enjoy this one .. I certainly enjoyed the cup produced.

    Starring .. CoffeeSnobs Espresso WOW

    Roast Date: *3rd February, 2009 >> *YES exactly 3 Months AGO

    Storage: *the Beans have been in Freezer since the 5th/6th February, double bagged ... removed today ! *.. Straight from freezer and into grinder .. less than 1 min to warm up.

    Grind: Brand New Kyocera Ceramic, 8 clicks *(all the others have been with a demo unit ... this experiment was using a Brand new unit straight out the box. *First extraction, First go )

    Brewing Method: *Aeropress .. 10 sec stir (I use a stainless steel chopstick as I find the plastic Aeropress paddle too big) *then a good pressure push.

    ENJOY

    Straight out of the freezer .. maybe I shouldve let the condensation dissipate before proceeding .... NAH are you kidding ... *I cant wait for that, need my coffee pronto *:)


    Hot water in, stir for about 10 secs ... Espresso WOW alright .. still Heaps of CREMA *!!!!


    Who said you cant get CREMA with an Aeropress *:D *(yes not true crema as through a group head, but what do you expect when you filter the crema through some paper *;D )


    and here are the PUCKs



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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Hi,
    I would like one please.

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    Re: Kyocera hand grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 45424C2F0 link=1240128494/48#48 date=1241333532
    Hi,
    I would like one please.

    John *
    Me too!
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