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    Azkoyen Capriccio

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    I finally got my hands on a Azkoyen Capriccio. With 64 mm Ditting blades and 4 sec grind time, Im loving my new toy.

    I have always used Mazzer dosage grinders for my espresso bar, but since we dont go through a huge amount of beans we needed a grind on demand grinder for aura fresh espresso; equal to the Mazzer but I didnt want to purchase a grind on demand Kony as I already have a Mini Electronic Mazzer - its good, but just too slow 17sec for a double basket. Nice to have a change, try a different brand of grinder.

    So this brings me to a little soap box I have:-
    I am observing many cafes, restaurants, espresso bars using dosage grinders as grind on demand grinders. I call them Free Dosers. FDs try to simulate the benefits of on-demand grinding by using dosage grinders in ways that they were not designed to be used.
    The biggest fundamental flaw with using a dosage grinder for free-dosing is that you are using your eye to estimate the grams. This will produce either an inconsistent watery and weak, or bitter molasses over extracted espresso. (I bet anyone reading this post has had a few in their time)
    I know a hand full of extreme professional baristi that can achive perfect espresso time and time again with the free dosing method. The average coffee maker can not.

    The average coffee maker inevitably end up air-rating the coffee with FD. Ironic that the one thing that they think they are doing by free dosing - making the freshest coffee available, but instead they are losing all that beautiful rich delicate oils by allowing the coffee to free fall back into the big empty chamber from scraping any over fill from the basket. How to make fresh coffee lose creama and flavour so quickly.
    Also within this floored method, many coffee makers are wasting kilos and kilos of coffee by over filling the baskets with unnecessary gramage, wastage around the grinder and in the time it takes to stuff around with the frantic flicking of the grinder handle you could of loading up two double portafilters.

    Some times you just have to really think about every single move you make within espresso, pull it apart, dont run with the trends, and completely understand what you are trying to achieve. Taste is everything in coffee, and if its not making your taste buds cry out in joy then you need to work out why.

    Cheers

    Mahalia



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    Re: Azkoyen Capriccio

    Firstly, congratulations on your new grinder Mahalia.

    Secondly, I use a BNZ grinder with a dosing chamber, grind on demand, and use my eye to estimate the grams, but more importantly, watch what happens with the pour. As for grams, Ive checked and am consistently within .5gm for every double, so your theory doesnt weigh up (pun intended).

    As for wastage, I spill about 20gm per 100 doubles. I can live with that. ;)


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    Re: Azkoyen Capriccio

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D3C3737302A590 link=1257247384/1#1 date=1257250047
    Firstly, congratulations on your new grinder Mahalia.

    Secondly, I use a BNZ grinder with a dosing chamber, grind on demand, and use my eye to estimate the grams, but more importantly, watch what happens with the pour. *As for grams, Ive checked and am consistently within .5gm for every double, so your theory doesnt weigh up (pun intended).

    As for wastage, I spill about 20gm per 100 doubles. *I can live with that. ;)
    Agreed Den,

    Its not hard to free dose and do so accurately. Its just routine and training...That said, the great electronic doserless grinders are pretty schmicko as well ;)

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    Re: Azkoyen Capriccio

    Also within this floored method, many coffee makers are wasting kilos and kilos of coffee by over filling the baskets with unnecessary gramage, wastage around the grinder and in the time it takes to stuff around with the frantic flicking of the grinder handle you could of loading up two double portafilters.
    I tend to say youre not making great coffee unless your making a mess! ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: Azkoyen Capriccio

    Your a better palate then me if you can taste the difference between beans that have been swept through a doser and those that havnt. To be honest i doubt I could tell the difference between electronic dosing and coffee that contains a few gms of grinds that had been swept back into the doser. So long as they havnt been sitting there for more then a couple of minutes.

    The Azkoyen grinders look nice toys as with Robur-E etc The advantage being that they require slightly less training and practice to get consistent results.



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