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    I was given a kitchen aid grinder as a present which i was pretty happy with until i used it. i cant get the grind anywhere near fine enough. I have read the manual which explains how to open the machine up and adjust the burrs even further than what it comes set with but that still doesnt cut it. Does anyone know of any links or similar that people have worked around this problem?
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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A45544342592D0 link=1259643334/0#0 date=1259643334
    I was given a kitchen aid grinder as a present which i was pretty happy with until i used it. i cant get the grind anywhere near fine enough. I have read the manual which explains how to open the machine up and adjust the burrs even further than what it comes set with but that still doesnt cut it. Does anyone know of any links or similar that people have worked around this problem?
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    Kitchen Aid is a brand..

    What model and where are you located ?

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    I think there is only one KitchenAid grinder though AM

    Specifications

    Construction: Die cast metal
    Hardware: 5.7 cm conical grinding burr
    Controls: On/off toggle switch & grind control dial
    Capacities: 198 gram glass bean hopper, 241 gram glass grounds container
    Dimensions: 34.2 x 26 x 15.2 (cm)
    Weight: 4.5 kg
    Origin: USA
    15 precise grind levels, grinder operates at 450 RPMs ,includes cleaning brush & coffee scoop
    Just a question.

    How do you know it isnt grinding fine enough, what symptoms are you experiencing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4046515A40475F5D340 link=1259643334/2#2 date=1259662399
    I think there is only one KitchenAid grinder though AM

    Specifications

    Construction: Die cast metal
    Hardware: 5.7 cm conical grinding burr
    Controls: On/off toggle switch & grind control dial
    Capacities: 198 gram glass bean hopper, 241 gram glass grounds container
    Dimensions: 34.2 x 26 x 15.2 (cm)
    Weight: 4.5 kg
    Origin: USA
    15 precise grind levels, grinder operates at 450 RPMs ,includes cleaning brush & coffee scoop
    Just a question.

    How do you know it isnt grinding fine enough, what symptoms are you experiencing?
    Sorry a few more than ONE model..

    That is for the KitchenAid Artisan Burr Coffee Grinder 5KCG100..

    What about teh KitchenAid KPCG100ER Pro Line Burr Coffee


    If ya go to the Kitchen Aid forums... There are lots of posts and modifications available..

    1: Burrs are SS not a more suitable material..

    2: Stepless mods and more..

    3: Even a mod as to a Mazzer Mini burr swap for the Pro Line KitchenAid Grinder..

    Just let Google do ya work for ya...


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    Yeah I have used a Pro Line grinder for about 3 years now and know the pros and cons of them. Out of the box its a good grinder. Even before the burr swap I was using mine with my Cremina lever machine with very good results, but mine is one of the first run units. I truly think the first fun of them are a bit better than the newer ones. The burrs on the first run just look and grind better. Much harder material based on what Ive seen. The newer batches have a "1" on the end of the serial number.

    I have done every mod you could imagine on this thing and once all mods are done, including the burr swap, it is truly on par with most pro type grinders out there like the Mazzer Mini. The only thing the burr swap does is slow the grinding down a bit. Other than that it is well worth doing IMO.

    I wouldnt suggest going out and buying at full price just to mod, but for those that have one already it is a worthy mod to attempt. I took my time, thought it all out and it works great. Overcame some of the issues others had. Later!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 243F36333820606362570 link=1259643334/4#4 date=1259793934
    Yeah I have used a Pro Line grinder for about 3 years now and know the pros and cons of them. Out of the box its a good grinder. Even before the burr swap I was using mine with my Cremina lever machine with very good results, but mine is one of the first run units. I truly think the first fun of them are a bit better than the newer ones. The burrs on the first run just look and grind better. Much harder material based on what Ive seen. The newer batches have a "1" on the end of the serial number.

    I have done every mod you could imagine on this thing and once all mods are done, including the burr swap, it is truly on par with most pro type grinders out there like the Mazzer Mini. The only thing the burr swap does is slow the grinding down a bit. Other than that it is well worth doing IMO.

    I wouldnt suggest going out and buying at full price just to mod, but for those that have one already it is a worthy mod to attempt. I took my time, thought it all out and it works great. Overcame some of the issues others had. Later!
    Great feedback.. And confirmation that the mods do work..

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    Ok. Great. Thanks guys.
    Im slightly hesitant modifying the machine as im not that handy when it comes to this kinda thing but its worth looking into.

    Shadow745 do you have anymore info you could send me?
    appreciate the help

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    The burr swap does require some basic mechanical knowledge/skill. But if you take your time and think it out the process will go great. I used Mazzer Mini burrs which are about .5mm larger in diameter than the stock Pro Line burrs. Therefore the stationary burr channel must be slightly enlarged to overcome this. I think most people tried screwing the burr down without making this channel a bit larger and it causes the burr to become cocked a bit.

    I might also look into the exact size of the Compak K-3 grinder burrs as they are 58mm as well. Just wondering if they are slightly smaller than the Mini burrs and also to ensure the rotation is the same.

    E-mail me and I will send more info and pics on the burr swap via a reply. Later!

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    Ive just bought an Artisan 5KCG100 and even at the finest setting and with the extra adjustment available after removing the settings dial the grind is still too coarse for the Artisan espresso machine.

    It was a christmas present for my wife and she is pretty ticked off at the unsuitability of an Artisan grinder and espresso machine. I cant return the grinder either as it was bought overseas where we spent christmas.

    Ive googled for about 2 hrs for any mods but cant find anything. Does anyone have a link at all?

    Cheers

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    Glenn66,

    Even if no refund is available from the shop, I recommend you make your displeasure known to the KitchenAid company.

    Greg

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    Well ive been in touch with Kitchenaid USA and the best they can come up with is that something might be caught between the burrs. I severly doubt this as the grind was too coarse right from the very first grind. I guess ill take a look anyway. Kitchenaid had suggested replacing the burrs with part #KPCGBP which will only change out the current burrs for identical parts. Oh and by the way, the tell me they dont ship international. >:(

    Im quite keen to try this Mazzer mini burr mod but I dont know if it is applicable to the Artisan 5KCG100 grinder or only the Proline Artisan 5KPG100ER. Does anyone know?

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    1700 views and no-one has any info??

    For the record Kitchenaid have washed their hands of this problem so I now have a $350 paper weight. >:(

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 69424B404018182E0 link=1259643334/11#11 date=1328517274
    1700 views and no-one has any info??

    1700 reads since the thread started in Dec 2009, not since you posted your response.

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    Hi Glenn66,
    Presumably youve searched this forum for other threads discussing Kitchenaid grinders and coffee machines. There are a number and maybe they can give a clearer answer to which mods might suit your grinder.

    You mention in your first post that the grind is too coarse but havent mentioned how you arrived at that conclusion. While it is a common issue there may be something else happening. You havent written about the actual technique youre using, what experience you have and the type of results you can achieve with your Kitchenaid gear.

    So I guess we should ask why you think the grind is too coarse ? What have you varied to try and overcome your coffee problems ? Is there more than one model Artisan Coffee machine and which do you have ? And every Coffeesnobs favourite question - are you using freshly roasted beans ? Im not doubting things are working for you, just trying to understand.

    Give us some additional info and maybe others will have advice to give.


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    I have just bought a 2nd-hand Artisan 5KCG100 on eBay and now discover that it also does not grind fine enough.* I thought I should just get new burr plates for it but after searching and reading various forum posts I have come to the conclusion that I should mod this thing with Mazzer Mini burrs.* I am pretty comfortable with how this is done but I canít find definitive info on a couple of points.*

    Firstly, is an Artisan KCG100 the same as the Pro Line?*

    Secondly, I found a source for the Mazzer Mini burrs but there are 2 choices -

    Set of 2, Replacement 58mm Burrs for Mazzer Mini Doser - Item code: 620358
    Set of 2, Replacement 58mm Burrs for Mazzer Mini Electronic - Item code: 700108

    Which set will suit my machine?

    Also, can someone please post a link/s to instructions to the various mods to the 5KCG100.* So far I found url>> home-barista.com/grinders/modifying-kitchenaid-proline-to-hold-mazzer-mini-burrs-t2811.html is the most instructive.

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    The Mini electronic uses 64mm burrs

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    so this is a 110V US appliance?

    What steps have to taken to make it work on 230V Australian mains?

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    Hi,
    dont know if its any help but having had a kitchenaide espresso machine i looked for help with infomation on it. I dont know where you are however here in victoria in a place called Monbulk they have a store to sell both the machine i had and also the grinder which you have which goes with that series.

    I will PM you the address as im not sure weather i can post it on here as it isnt a sponsor

    Cheers,

    Chris :)

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 20252626282136440 link=1259643334/13#13 date=1328530942
    Hi Glenn66,
    Presumably youve searched this forum for other threads discussing* Kitchenaid grinders and coffee machines. There are a number and maybe they can give a clearer answer to which mods might suit your grinder.

    You mention in your first post that the grind is too coarse but havent mentioned how you arrived at that conclusion. While it is a common issue there may be something else happening. You havent written about* the actual technique youre using, what experience you have and the type of results you can achieve with your Kitchenaid gear.

    So I guess we should ask why you think the grind is too coarse ? What have you varied to try and overcome your coffee problems ? Is there more than one model Artisan Coffee machine and which do you have ? And every Coffeesnobs favourite question - are you using freshly roasted beans ? Im not doubting things are working for you, just trying to understand.

    Give us some additional info and maybe others will have advice to give.
    Thanks for the constructive response!

    The espresso machine is the Artisan 5KES100. The reason I say the grind is too coarse is that the coffee POARS through instantly blond and takes about 10 seconds to fill a cup that usually takes 2 minutes. And that was after tamping so heavy something clicked in my shoulder! :o

    Ive been using the canned Illy espresso grind (red can) for ever as it seems to agree with the fairly fussy Artisan machine, even other brand espresso grinds often result in a thin, tasteless pour hence my enthusiasm to start grinding fresh roasted beans.

    I found a fairly comprehensive mod walk-through over on home-barista.com but as I said above it only concerns the KA Proline KPCG100ER grinder not the KA Artisan 5KCG100.

    To further muddy the waters, a post over on coffeegeek.com claimed the Proline and the Artisan are one and the same, only marketed towards the US and European markets.

    I guess Ill have to strip the Artisan down and see if the burrs measure in @ 58mm.

    Stay tuned!

    G

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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    My suggestions:

    Do not to throw good money after bad by attempting to modify something that should work as is.

    Contact the Australian importer. Dont email unless you want to be ignored, business people have legitimate paid work to do that takes preference before responding to countless emails asking for (free) advice. Telephone them and explain your case and see if they can help you.* If they can, send it to them and let them fix it (make it fit for purpose to use with their matching machine) . Dont begrudge paying them to do so, if it was never one of their imports they have no responsibility for the new machine guarantee.

    If they cant help, ask for the appropriate contact at the brand HQ. Then you can knock yourself out writing emails stating the problem and asking for their help / advice to rectify. DO NOT mention the words guarantee or warranty unless you are prepared to send the grinder back to them (and bring it back afterwards) at your cost. Its not the manufacturer problem if a client buys something and takes it to another country. If you were to pay the freight I believe there would be no reason why they would not honour any warranty that applies to make the grinder fit for purpose. However there is no doubt it would be far cheaper for you to send it to the Oz importer and pay them to rectify and really....they should know how....

    If none of that works, stop beating yourself up, park it, and buy a suitable grinder. It will be cheaper to do that in the long run, than muck around trying to mod something so that it may not work properly anyway, or have to be replaced later anyway......ie dont throw good money after bad by paying twice or even three times over attempting to mod something that isnt "guaranteed" to work for you.....

    Also buying a replacement grinder cuts to the chase now...no more wasted time and continuing angst ;)

    Re Quote :...... been using the canned Illy espresso grind (red can) for ever as it seems to agree with the fairly fussy Artisan machine, even other brand espresso grinds often result in a thin, tasteless pour hence my enthusiasm to start grinding fresh roasted beans....."

    If it were me I would buy fresh roast coffee beans and have them ground on the spot to a grind suitable for a Gaggia Classic or similar instead of the supply you have been using. You will get a much better result than using a pre-aged product that is in addition to that, not ground to suit your machine.

    Using any prepackaged pre ground coffee in any pump driven espresso machine is very unsatisfying because the grind settings used can be no more than some kind of average grind to try and suit all. So in 99% of cases....its actually the WRONG grind for any particular machine, as well as being old coffee in a pack.....

    Also most pre grounds found in a supermarket are ground for domestic STOVE TOP sector not pump driven machines so they are way too coarse anyway.....That will be why the brew just rushes out of your group handle at 100 miles an hour.

    Solution....have your grinder rectified (not modded), or buy another grinder.

    Also we dont really know what your coffee making technique is like, and whilst there may be a problem with the grinder not grinding in the correct range for a pump driven espresso machine (by the way you can use that line when speaking with the service people who you ask to help),* there is no doubt that if you employ best possible practice in your equipment management and technique (grind* / dose / tamp), while using fresh roast coffee the problem should be lessened...

    Hope all that helps.

    I always start these responses with the best intentions at heart, and then they end up being 20 pages long* ;D ;D ;D

    If you dont feel there is anything useful in this post please ignore.


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    Re: Kitchen Aid grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 1B303932326A6A5C0 link=1259643334/8#8 date=1325338935
    Ive just bought an Artisan 5KCG100 and even at the finest setting and with the extra adjustment available after removing the settings dial the grind is still too coarse for the Artisan espresso machine.

    It was a christmas present for my wife and she is pretty ticked off at the unsuitability of an Artisan grinder and espresso machine. I cant return the grinder either as it was bought overseas where we spent christmas.

    Ive googled for about 2 hrs for any mods but cant find anything. Does anyone have a link at all?

    Cheers
    I am sending you a PM as I may be able to help you resolve this issue. I know the KitchenAid Pro Line/Artisan grinder inside/out so will be glad to help.

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    Thanks for the responses people!

    Just to clear things up, Im Australian but living now in the Middle East (Qatar) so any hope of dealer service is non-existant!

    I reckon ill mod this baby till the cows come home and if that fails, THEN ill throw it in the trash. I can get the mazzer burrs for about $40 off ebay and a little drilling and turning on a lathe should have some effect, good or bad we will see! :)

    Cheers



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