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    Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

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    These two grinders are on my short list for home use and will be used on a bezzera Domus galatea. They are similar in price, and I have the space for them (just)
    I pull three doubles every morning, and dont use the machine much other than that.
    I like the mazzers looks, and doserlessness, but dislike the apparent fiddly hopper removal, and lack of a standard short hopper.
    The compak seems to have a slight edge in grind quality, is easy to get a very small hoppper, but is dosered and not as aesthetically pleasing to my eyes.

    Ive been using a cunill tranquilo and a sunbeam em0480 for the last year, I want richer crema and better extraction. Ive done a bit of research, but its hard to find comments about the major e-most seem to suggest its grind quality is similar to a super jolly?

    Which would you buy given the choice??

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    I get plenty of oooze and crema from my Mazzer Major doser model
    I like it very much

    This is a question of conical vs flat burs

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Given the choice, Id go the K10 and a K3 hopper. There is also a K10 doserless electronic coming to Australia as well. I really believe that the conicals do put a result in the cup. Best bet to speak to some sponsors for some opinions. There are at least 4 very happy CSers I know of with Mazzer Kony-e grinders.

    I also have 2 Kony-e grinders. Both are terrific and I reckon theyre worth every cent over a Major-e for home use. New Aussie stocks are about a month away as I understand.

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Thanks for the advice.
    I do have an irrational leaning to get the major-even if I only keep it a couple of years Im sure it will be a big improvement, and hold its value well. Reassuring to know it gets the good crema on a domus KK.

    The kony-e is certainly an option, and a doserless K10....good choices if I can wait and save a bit more!

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    Definitely go for a big conical over the planar burrs option.... Im enjoying my coffee from a completely new perspective now, since grabbing the Kony-E from Chris. The difference is at least as great as going from a small planar burrs grinder like a Rocky to something like a Super Jolly, but much more in my view.... 8-)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Go the Kony! I have a Robur E and a Kony doser at work and i love using the kony. Use to have a Major and while it will produce great espresso the kony has the edge, and its quiter than the flat burrs - i love the sound of conicals.
    One more thing to think about, however, is are you going to use your grinder to grind for other brewing methods like filter coffee or syphon etc? If you are then a flat burr might be the way to go.

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B7E717176711F0 link=1266365546/3#3 date=1266391905
    Thanks for the advice.
    I do have an irrational leaning to get the major-even if I only keep it a couple of years Im sure it will be a big improvement, and hold its value well. Reassuring to know it gets the good crema on a domus KK.
    Have a look at this video of my set up
    Machine - Bezzera Galatea
    Grinder - Mazzer Major
    Beans - Sumatra Blue home roasted on the KKTO Roaster

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkWjQnLJ6-E

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Thats a good pour!
    Big conicals seem to be fairly consistently favoured.
    Luckily Veneziano in Brisbane has a Major-e and a robur-e on their bench.
    Im going to do some tasting comparisons for the next few weeks, just to see if I can pick a conical from a flat. my preference is Mazzer and doserless, which means mini-e, major-e or kony-e. K10 my only other option.
    Ive heard of people putting super jolly burrs into a mini-e (they are the same size, but different cut) so that might be an option.
    Will report back in a few weeks. 8-)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    FWIW tried the major e with a single origin (?ElSalvador) today. Produced a beautiful persistent thick crema with vibrant flavours-clove/fivespice/anise hints. The acidity in the cup was almost too much-bracing like a steely white wine.
    The robur (standard not e) was a blend called pure-crema was less defined, and dissipated more quickly, flavours were darker, much lower acidity, but great palatability and depth in a caramel/tobacco mould.
    The profiles were the opposite of what I expected, but of course the beans are very different-and not sure how many days post roast they were either. Cant read too much into todays taste off.

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by 71646B6B6C6B050 link=1266365546/8#8 date=1266635466
    FWIW tried the major e with a single origin (?ElSalvador) today. Produced a beautiful persistent thick crema with vibrant flavours-clove/fivespice/anise hints. The acidity in the cup was almost too much-bracing like a steely white wine.
    The robur (standard not e) was a blend called pure-crema was less defined, and dissipated more quickly, flavours were darker, much lower acidity, but great palatability and depth in a caramel/tobacco mould.
    The profiles were the opposite of what I expected, but of course the beans are very different-and not sure how many days post roast they were either. Cant read too much into todays taste off.
    Youre comparing apples with oranges so a proper comparison cant be made, as you allude to.

    Best thing really you know, is to take a bag of beans (that you understand really well) with you then try them out on different grinders. At least then you should be able to identify any flavour nuances between the various units. I think the Major-E is a pretty speccy grinder too and was on my short list. It is much faster than a Kony-E, on a par with the Robur-E in fact.

    In the end, I went for the Kony-E because it does produce an overall brighter cup with terrific delineation of all the flavours in the profile. The Major I managed to test out (in a nearby cafe) was great too but the flavours were more muted/blended and tending more towards the bass notes of chocolate and the heavier spices. If thats what you really enjoy in a brew, then thats great but I do have a preference for brighter, in your face styles of coffee so the Kony suits me perfectly.... 8-)

    Youre doing the right thing though, make the decision based upon what your palate tells you, nothing else matters..... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Had about a week on he kony e at work coming from a leone and its amazing. Spend some time setting your doses and its amazing. Never going back (still got the leone mill as a backup. Hardly compares)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Kony certainly has a few fans out there. Not too many Major supporters, though the K10 is up there.
    Ive tried the major V robur again-and there wasnt much in it-but havent been able to use the same beans in them. FWIW the barista thought it was overkill to get a major or kony for home; mind you he had a robur at his home 8-)
    Im saving up for a kony, I think-though might check the K10 doserless pricing later in the year.
    Thanks for all the feedback :)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E2B242423244A0 link=1266365546/11#11 date=1268131197
    Ive tried the major V robur again-and there wasnt much in it-but havent been able to use the same beans in them
    Sounds like your experiment had at least two variables *:-?

    To make any sort of valid conclusion from that would be impossible....

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Went for this one in the end-still cant quite believe it is sitting in my kitchen :)


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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Another pic




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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Nice grinder the Mazzer Major it looks like my model with the new style hopper & safety micro-switch

    Just a different colour ;)

    You wont regret it
    May you pull god shots on every occasion ;D

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Is in fact a robur- I thought it was too big -but I think it fits nicely-it looks smaller every day! ;)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by 495C535354533D0 link=1266365546/16#16 date=1276085289
    Is in fact a robur- I thought it was too big -but I think it fits nicely-it looks smaller every day! ;)
    Robur hmm
    Pictures can be deceiving as it looks like the Majors twin ;)

    Now I am just going to repeat what I said above

    May you pull god shots on every occasion using your Mazzer Robur :D

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    I like the Before and After pictures .....

    the 1st pic of the Sunbeam, just before you fed it to the Robur .. one minute its there, the next its gone ......


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    > the 1st pic of the Sunbeam, just before you fed it to the Robur ..
    > one minute its there, the next its gone ......

    But will it blend ?
    http://www.blendtec.com/willitblend/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A594C454C464440424C290 link=1266365546/19#19 date=1276092284
    > the 1st pic of the Sunbeam, just before you fed it to the Robur ..
    > one minute its there, the next its gone ......

    But will it blend ?
    http://www.blendtec.com/willitblend/ *
    Perhaps the Sunbeam is being run through the dishwasher (Miele-same as mine) before being listed on F-Bay. *Great setup Tannin! *I have suggested to my wife that because you have such great taste in dishwashers, we should follow you lead in grinders.... she said: "Ill grind yours!" *What could that mean...?

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Its a tale of two conicals-my wife thinks one of them looks "comical" . :D
    I certainly understand what people mean when they talk about "clumping" now too.
    The sunbeam has been saved from a terrible fate-and is going to a good home ;)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Terrific combo "tannin".... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Boy, those Roburs are BIG beasties arent they :o....

    Bet the coffee is great though 8-)

    Congrats,
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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    I have grinder envy :)

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    Its certainly a big change from the sunbeam. The first thing I noticed is the lack of clumping-probably because of the doser. The grind adjustment mechanism is very stiff-I need to wear gloves and use both hands to adjust it. However I havent had to adjust the setting much- slightly coarser for some beans and finer for others-but no more than about a 10% shift in either direction from where it was sitting on arrival.
    There is the finger guard/auto-fill-off in the doser which restricts access to the cavity "throat" between the burrs and the doser-however a small baby bottle brush with a bent handle works well-Ill probably remove the finger guard later, but dont want to tamper too much at this point.
    My morning routine is to pour a jar of beans in the hopper-grind it through-make my 6 coffees after discarding the first "thwack"-and then keep thwacking to empty the doser-after brushing out the throat. Using the portafilter overfill and then level off method. Very consistent results-the coffee is more balanced, greater definition of flavours-especially spice and fruit notes, more persistent crema-and basically what you expect at a cafe. Still experimenting with dose and grind-this could take months-but I havent had a bad coffee from it yet-though I have choked the machine once.
    I vacuum the doser out on the weekend.
    Im really happy with it. I have some concern about the inconsistency of not having a relatively full hopper-with some weighting down of the beans-but even without this I get great results.
    It is a monster-but Im not noticing the size much now-you do get used to it. :)
    I think home roasting is the next hurdle for me-but that will wait until next year!

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    Re: Mazzer Major E or Compak K10 WBC

    tannin

    Congrats on a formidable grinder. *

    I have never regretted my move up the scale.
    After the initial size shock *[smiley=embarassed.gif] [smiley=embarassed.gif] the remarkable design of the Mazzer allows them *blend into their location. *[smiley=smiley.gif] [smiley=smiley.gif]

    Some great coffee on the way.

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