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    Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Am thinking of upgrading my grinder. I have a Rocky/Silvia combo at the moment.

    Gino Rossi CC 45 vs Compak K6 (all other things such as wear and tear being equal) What are your thoughts?

    Thanks!

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.


    What is your reason for wanting to change from the Rocky tashie?

    You will pay a premium for a small improvement in shot quality IMHO :(

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Buy the best you can afford Tashie...

    Going to a K6/SJ will put an increment in the cup over a standard Rocky. You wont have to stand there for a week waiting for it to grind either ::)

    If you set your sights on your last grinder (notwithstanding the Robur when your numbers come up), you will have something to grow with...

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    I went from a Rocky to a Kony, so I can only comment on that comparison, but it was a noticeable difference from the first. The Rocky is just an OK grinder. Compared to a quality espresso grinder, its tolerances are low, and in its original stepped configuration it lacks a usable range of adjustment. The way Mazzer mounts its upper burr and the design of their adjustment system makes Rocky look like a toy. The Malykke grinder I saw in Atlanta last year looks very interesting, indeed! In the US I believe that La Marzocco is selling it, or has the rights, or something like that (http://malykke.dk/eng_default.htm). But at $2000 USD currently with the table stand, it is going to stay quite rare in home use...

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    I am definitely torn because:

    - As Rusty says I could be paying a premium for a fairly minor difference in the cup
    - I like how the Rocky matches with the Silvia on the benchtop

    But on the other hand
    - I could buy a secondhand Compak and it wouldnt cost me that much more as an upgrade
    - The consensus is to always buy the best grinder you can afford...

    I guess the real question is whether the Compak K6 is enough to put a noticeable change in the cup (Opinions please!) Grind time isnt so much an issue as its only home use. I would definitely like to not have clumps in my grounds though!

    Also what is the Silenzio system - I cant find any more information about it online.


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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Consider it this way the Rocky is adequate for the Silvia but the K6 or Kony or similar is much more consistent in grind.

    Consistency or dust to chunky bits ratio is the improvement you should get with the better grinders, this leads to more repeatability of grind, tamp and dose working in a good way for you which gets you better shots.

    If you have some $$ saved and the one you really want is a bit more save for a bit longer then do it once and do it properly :)

    Silenzio or quiet could be as simple as rubber mounts of the motor and burr carriers but I have no idea ::)

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D6A6E616963766661680F0 link=1270707480/5#5 date=1270784337
    If you have some $$ saved and the one you really want is a bit more save for a bit longer then do it once and do it properly *
    That is a slippery slope to go down... I can think of quite a lot of things I really want ;D

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Gday Tashie.... :)

    I think you would be very pleased with output from the K6, which is a mid-sized cafe grinder. You might be up for a set of new (original, not generic) burr-plates and a general clean-up but I doubt you would ever need to upgrade further. With the new burrs (if needed) the improved quality of the grind over the Rocky will be quite noticeable in the cup - An incremental improvement, yes but quite a decent one.

    The Doser on the K6 is also very well designed and sweeps very cleanly, so you wont end up having to spend too much time on clean-up after a brew session. It is a big beast though but if you could locate a short hopper to replace the standard one, then this becomes less of an issue.

    Definitely in the class of grinder though that will last a lifetime in a domestic situation..... If I was in your shoes, Id buy it.... ;)

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    I went from a Rocky to a Macap M4D, and Id do it again.

    That said, it all depends on where you want to spend your money. If its in the cup, then a better grinder will make a noticeable difference--more of a difference than youd get going to an HX, IMO.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E4B5C5E6E564B5458555D390 link=1270707480/8#8 date=1270810613
    I went from a Rocky to a Macap M4D, and Id do it again.
    I went from an Iberital Challenge to a Macap M4D, and Id do it again,then I went & upgraded again to a Mazzer Major

    I noticed differences in the cup & general ease of preparation *on every grinder upgrade

    The general ease of use in the K6 should not be underestimated

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    For the original question:

    The compak k6 is way better than a rossi rr45 or cc45. It has continuous micrometric adjustment where the rossis only have stepped adjustment. The doser is way better on the compak. The design of the compak is also a lot sleeker i think.

    Rockys seem to go for a lot on the 2nd hand market. If i were you id sell your rocky and go for one of the k6s on ebay. Cant really go wrong with a compak and the burrs are cheap on the k6.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 786D7F6465690C0 link=1270707480/6#6 date=1270789490
    I can think of quite a lot of things I really want
    I know that one, just blew about 1/2 the new grinder $ on another machine ;D Now back to making some money for either that K10 or Robur ::) In your case if you can go the K6, the more I read the more I like the Compaks

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    There are eight Gino Rossi CC45A grinders (claimed new in unopened boxes) lined up on a certain auction site. *All with bids of $300 odd & all finishing in the next six hours. *I detest the things but the price is right.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Hey Tashie you got the upgrade bug ;) Same here but I have to finish my rebuild project to pair it with, then Lucy might move on to a new home. Who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1E302939031433292F395C0 link=1270707480/12#12 date=1273555379
    There are eight Gino Rossi CC45A grinders (claimed new in unopened boxes) lined up on a certain auction site. *All with bids of $300 odd & all finishing in the next six hours. *I detest the things but the price is right.
    So any winners? Did Tashie grab a bargain? Noticed that they listed as a Gino Rossi CC45 Adel. Anyone know what the electronic dosing is all about? Does that mean it refills after a set number of uses of the doser?

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Yes I picked one u
    Quote Originally Posted by 55787A7C717074190 link=1270707480/13#13 date=1273577755
    So any winners?
    Yes I had one of the winning bids. I am very suspicious, where would one even get that many grinders (legally) and why would they want to sell them all at once hence reducing the price?

    Have sent a msg asking for a pick up address. Unless I get a positive response I certainly wont be sending any $$ thru.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F2E2437292C36450 link=1270707480/14#14 date=1273578976
    Yes I picked one u
    Quote Originally Posted by 55787A7C717074190 link=1270707480/13#13 date=1273577755
    So any winners?
    Yes I had one of the winning bids. I am very suspicious, where would one even get that many grinders (legally) and why would they want to sell them all at once hence reducing the price?

    Have sent a msg asking for a pick up address. *Unless I get a positive response I certainly wont be sending any $$ thru.
    Ya a bit suss... And while a few had different times..

    A few sec apart smacks of Page refresh errors and or possible hacked account.

    Previous history (buy and sell) was also worth reviewing..

    I guess some one will find out soon enough...

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    I had one of the winning bids too...hopefully it is all legal and ok!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 033423232022342D2D242F70410 link=1270707480/16#16 date=1273579710
    I had one of the winning bids too...hopefully it is all legal and ok!
    My wife always says...


    If it too good to be true... Then guess what.. *Something is up and can you deal with the final outcome..

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    cash on pickup only! I had a laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by 604F4644536C404F4046444C444F55210 link=1270707480/17#17 date=1273582444
    If it too good to be true... Then guess what..
    I believe in that too. Although occassionally Im willing to take an educated risk but tell myself Im not allowed to get upset if it does end up being a dodgy...a bit like gambling, only bet what you can afford to lose.

    Only 2 weeks ago someone was selling a brand new Sunbeam Artista EM5900 and EM0450 combo pack for $60 in evil bay. It was posted at 1:30am and I happened to be up at that time so took a chance. All worked out fine, it was an unwanted gift and the seller had a solid record.

    Funny thing is, the next day a guy at work asks me if I happen to have a coffee machine I wanted to sell, to which my response was boy do I have a deal for you!. Hes a great guy so although Id plan to re-sell at a profit, I sold it to him for what it cost me with delivery. Saved him around $450 and made an awesome Mothers Day present for his wife.

    Quote Originally Posted by 635443434042544D4D444F10210 link=1270707480/16#16 date=1273579710
    I had one of the winning bids too...hopefully it is all legal and ok!
    My advice is DO NOT PAY yet. If and when I pick up mine and all is good, Ill then report back here.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 74757F6C72776D1E0 link=1270707480/19#19 date=1273584384
    *If and when I pick up mine and all is good, Ill then report back here.
    9 all sold on the same day yet no activity by the user since Nov 09 and no previous coffee items.

    2 new cheep pod systems now available...

    Strange...

    So how did ya go ?

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Both Caffeine Junky and I have had correspondance from the seller and I think CJ was going to pick his up today. Im interstate so am unable to check it out. It appears that the seller has his own coffee business. ..but why hed have so many new grinders I dont know?

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 724552525153455C5C555E01300 link=1270707480/21#21 date=1273706942
    Both Caffeine Junky and I have had correspondance from the seller and I think CJ was going to pick his up today. *Im interstate so am unable to check it out. *It appears that the seller has his own coffee business. ..but why hed have so many new grinders I dont know?
    Ummmmmm An online shop front only ?

    Mad to flood the market; with what in effect, was an one day sale - Unless main shop was going out of business and an urgent need for cash flow ?

    Interesting, the way I (My wife and AMD say I am too much like - Sheldon *TBBT*) get anal about the detail and how a question might be phrased etc.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Picked up my bargain basement grinder at lunch and all seems fine. It was brand new with all the wrapping from the factory, had not been touched from what I could tell.

    The seller is a legitimate business, surprised I had not heard of them previously as theyd been around for a number of years. Service agents for a well known brand.

    Ive not used a grinder like this - has a dosing chamber and electronic doser (no lever). Has 2 dosing buttons for single & double dose. Dose quantity adjusted the same way as a manual dosing chamber.

    Not sure if its going to suit me though its really designed for busy commercial applications. The dosing chamber is filled automatically with auto shut-off. Naturally I dont want to grinder 300g to make 2 coffees. Am open to suggestions of how I may be able to work around this otherwise I may have to move it on to someone who will have use for it. Not sure if I could sell it on CS as I dont think it would be in line with policy, even though I dont want to profit from it.

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Whilst the electronic doser is a bit of a pain...Im really liking this Gino Rossi grinder. Its my first and am really impressed by its speed and quietness. Sure its a big beast, it stands almost as tall as me when its on my kitchen bench...but it sure looks grand...and my coffees are now tasting better than what they ever did ;)


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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E594E4E4D4F59404049421D2C0 link=1270707480/24#24 date=1274079949
    Whilst the electronic doser is a bit of a pain...Im really liking this Gino Rossi grinder. Its my first and am really impressed by its speed and quietness. *Sure its a big beast, it stands almost as tall as me when its on my kitchen bench...but it sure looks grand...and my coffees are now tasting better than what they ever did *;)
    What were you previously using Mich?

    I havent actually put any beans through mine yet. First I want to be sure I can make the necessary mod to manually overide the autofill. I will get my dad-in-law, who used to be a sparky, to help just to make sure I dont zap myself & to keep AM happy ;D

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    Re: Quick question from someone who doesnt really understand grinders.

    Im really embarressed to say...it was one of those cheap Breville Spice n Coffee Grinders... :D :o You see, Im kind of new to the snobs and used what i could until something else came along (even though I got the Hottop delivered a couple of weeks before)...and to top it off, I managed to pick up a preloved Super Jolly as well last week - it doesnt rain, it pours. The GR is quieter than the SJ (maybe it needs a service?).

    Lucky you having a sparky in the family...meanwhile Im just grinding most days what I think Ill use in a morning (before work/weekends) and then dosing from there. I know its not going to be as fresh as what it could be but its still so much nicer than the preground stale stuff from the shops...



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