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    Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

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    Hi,

    I can just about afford a grinder (or 1.2kgs of instant coffee <EVIL>) Do I buy a Kyocera Hand grinder OR do I buy a Sunbeam/Breville Burr grinder EM450/480 etc (to be used exclusively for espresso) ? As much as I aspire to the wedded bliss of a Silvia/Rocky combo it will take me a few upgrades to get there.

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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    Easy question really, on grind quality the Kyocera for speed and inconsistancy the 450/480 ;) If your only making one or two at a time the Kyocera is great and even then it still makes for a great camping or work grinder etc then get to saving for somthing better than a Rocky 8-)

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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 34333738303A2F3F3831560 link=1272190937/1#1 date=1272191319
    Easy question really, on grind quality the Kyocera for speed and inconsistancy the 450/480 *;) If your only making one or two at a time the Kyocera is great and even then it still makes for a great camping or work grinder etc then get to saving for somthing better than a Rocky *8-)
    Im not sure what you are trying to say there, but I found the Kyocera pretty disappointing in terms of grind quality. At coarse settings, it produced a tremendous amount of fine dust - probably more than any other burr grinder that I can think of - as well as a wide range of particle sizes. I only got to try it for espresso using one coffee, but I got the impression that it produced distinctly bitterer espresso than other grinders that I was used to.

    Quite frankly, if you want to have enjoyable coffee, you need to either get a good grinder or put up with bitter coffee. You might find that you are better off saving for a little longer. Maybe see if you can get something second hand? You might find it worthwhile posting up a WTB (Want To Buy) thread in the buy/sell forum here - you never know what people have around.

    Incidentally, you will sometimes read claims that a grinder is good because it can grind fine enough to "choke" an espresso machine. This is utter nonsense; it tells you about how fine that grinder can grind and tells you nothing about the taste of the resultant coffee. You can choke any machine in the world with a blade grinder if you really want to.

    Cheers,
    Luca

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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    Hi Luca,

    to clarify I agree at course settings the Kyocera is not as good as my Zassenhaus for example *but as the question was asked about Espresso in particular and compared to the Sunbeam twins I still stand by my comments. I think you need to get to at least the Rocky or Ascaso/Ibiteral to match the Kyocera. As to unlimeted budgets then we would all have somthing else I guess.

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    Tim

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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    Interesting question Sharon. I dont have a Kyocera but I do have a Zazzenhaus hand grinder and a EM0480 (although I hardly ever user either any more due to upgrades).

    I would lean towards an electric grinder. When you get woken up by your 2 year old at 5am and you just want a shot, you dont want to spend ages winding away at a manual grinder. On the other hand, when I have a bit of quiet time to myself (which is not often) theres something very satisfying about the manual grinders.

    I only ever use the Zazzenhaus with my Aeropress so I cant really comment the difference in quality.


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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    I have an old Zassenhaus knee mill, a Kyocera and a Sunbeam EM450. Both the Zass and the Sunbeam grind well enough for Ms Silvia. I bought the Kyocera to team up with a Handpresso but its just not up to it. It certainly grinds fine enough, theres very little powder, and the grind looks the same as the Zass under a microscope, but the difference in results on the Handpresso is incredible. Both the Zass and the Sunbeam with the Handpresso produce good shots, not as good as Silvia but hey what do you expect. The best the Kyocera can do is thin and bitter, much to my frustration.
    Having said all that, my understanding is that these grinders can all be a bit individual, maybe I was just lucky with the Zass and Sunbeam and unlucky with the Kyocera.

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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    How long does it take on average to grind say 10g of beans on the kyocera?

    Its an interesting product... but $99 is a bit steep i think.

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    Re: Quick Question ~ Kyocera or Sunbeam/Breville Burrs ?

    A lot less time than any espresso machine takes to heat up or any kettle to boil *::) Full hopper (18-20g) to Espresso grind under a minute I guess but I have never timed it as it is just part of the morning ritual.

    On the Zassenhaus mine is a 40 year olf kneemill and it doesnt get anything like a good espresso grind. As to the 450 being good there seems to be far more bad ones than good one out there when it comes to grind kwality just have a read in this section to see that.

    And if your paying $99 for a Kyocera then your paying to much.



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