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    Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

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    I have a Giotto Rocket PP and a Rocky (doser), from my readings the mazzer mini-e is a good step up from the Rocky, and the electronic dispensing function appeals and seemingly doses with reasonable accuracy. Anybody with a similar setup have comment? and any suppliers to recommend? Cheers

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Hi Clio, would recommend our sponsors to the left, depends where you are situated as too who is most suitable. Would also suggest that before you shell out your hard earned $s that you check out the Macap M4D. Similar $s, quicker grind time and what is generally regarded as a better dose/timer adjustment system being digital. Probably will clump more than the Mazzer as the Mazzer has the chute/funnel at the front. Of course I could be accused of being biased but I was also keen on the Mazzer but the screw type adjustment lost me.

    Good luck, Steve. :)


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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Hi Clio
    I was in the same situation (Giotto & Rocky doserless). Seriously looking to the Mazzer mini-e. *I really wanted a Mazzer mini-e, I loved everything about the mini-e - *but the information coming back to me was confusing (as in Steves comments below). *
    Everytime I went out to the best places for Coffee I saw at least two big Mazzers on the benches. *I really identified with the make (brainless and emotive I know or perhaps just an obsessive). *
    I was just able to miss an upgrade step and make a quantum leap. *I have not regretted this. *I hope by this time next year the Kony-e will have paid for itself, as has the Giotto before it.
    I will admit that it is an overkill - but there it is!
    dumiya

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Welcome Clio.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    As Mono suggested above, try to get to a site sponsor who has a demonstrator Macap M4D on the bench. These are very impressive units and considered by most to be a decent step above the Mazzer Mini-E.... Basically, it has just been better designed from the ground up to do an excellent job and at this level, theres not much around that can compare with it.

    Some great info to be found here... http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/downloa...nder-flyer.pdf

    All the best.... :)

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Check out the mods you can do on the Mazzer Mini E, I and many others have done the mod and would never go back. Once you do, you really get a decent grind with none of the stale coffee first shot blues.

    I also now give a few seconds stir with a free coffee stirrer, just to mix the grinds up for an even better shot with the naked PF.

    http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/mazzer-mini-e-modifications



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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    For mine, the mini-e is still no contender as the time adjustment is just too clunky and its 1/2 the speed of a Macap M4D which sells at a similar price.

    If a grinder has a time function, it should work (or the grinder should be really cheap). I still fail to see the value in a mini-e over a Compak K3T which is little more than 1/2 the price of the Mazzer...

    Until the mini-e ships with digital time adjustment (kony-e style) and they fit SJ burrs in it to make it run as it could, its a waste of $$$ in my opinion.

    It has many more shortcomings than the M4D.

    Chris

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    I dont really agree with everything your saying there Chris, but its your opinion, just not mine.

    However your comment about using SJ burrs in a Mini E is not correct. The SJ burr has a much steeper bean crush path and are made for chewing thru beans quickly in the commercial environment, with a subsequent trade off in quality of grind..If you put SJ burrs in a Mini E it would overstress the grinder and would not produce as good grind quality. I make this correction so that people with a Mini E dont read what you have said and start putting SJ burrs in them. :)

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    davec

    This is probably slightly off the topic

    I was interested in the idea of modification. *
    The wire mesh does hold back a lot of grinds. *Are you suggesting that the modification is to remove the screen. I had a look at an exploded diagram of the Mini-e and the screen is a part by itself. *It would seem to me that without the screen you would get totally fresh lumpless dose with each grind. This would save the waste when only wanting to make 2 cups of coffee at a time. *With the screen you have to waste approx 9gms

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 2025322127440 link=1274591434/6#6 date=1274667151
    I dont really agree with everything your saying there Chris, but its your opinion, just not mine.

    However your comment about using SJ burrs in a Mini E is not correct. The SJ burr has a much steeper bean crush path and are made for chewing thru beans quickly in the commercial environment, with a subsequent trade off in quality of grind..If you put SJ burrs in a Mini E it would overstress the grinder and would not produce as good grind quality. I make this correction so that people with a Mini E dont read what you have said and start putting SJ burrs in them. *:)
    Hello davec,

    Horses for courses I reckon....

    I was not suggesting the mini-e has SJ burrs but that it should be capable of a more aggressive burr cut. Most doserless grinder run this way as they are designed for 20 sec duty cycles.

    Its a good thing the mini-e has a p/f rest. It needs one ::)

    I have had multiple mini-e and M4D grinders on the bench and in my house and my opinion remains the same. I wouldnt have a mini-e even at the same price as a mini-manual. Id have an M4D any day- but thats just my opinion.

    Chris

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 7144494E7A664A43434040250 link=1274591434/8#8 date=1274682100
    Id have an M4D any day- but thats just my opinion.

    Chris
    Not just yours mate.... I think Clio should try to contact a few M4D owners and get their opinions too ;)

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    As recent new member of the M4D club, can I just say... get the Macap!

    Faster, better, more bling.

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    not sure about the bling... what holds me back from the macap is the look of it, to my mind it looks tacky, too much plastic and 80s style electronic display, not that those comments reflect the quality of its function though. also i see quite a few negative reviews on the net re clumping.

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 67484D4B240 link=1274591434/11#11 date=1274953151
    not sure about the bling... what holds me back from the macap is the look of it, to my mind it looks tacky, too much plastic and 80s style electronic display, not that those comments reflect the quality of its function though. *also i see quite a few negative reviews on the net re clumping.
    Hi Clio,

    All doserless grinders clump....Including my Kony-e and Robur-e...

    The Mini-e clumps as well....

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    My K3 doesnt clump. It throws out golf balls.

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A544D5D6770574D4B5D380 link=1274591434/13#13 date=1274956790
    My K3 doesnt clump. *It throws out golf balls.
    1: Fine grind

    2: High humidity

    3: Oily beans...

    4: Flap not working correctly.. (mod for a mesh rather than flap arrangement)



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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D5257513E0 link=1274591434/11#11 date=1274953151
    not sure about the bling... what holds me back from the macap is the look of it, to my mind it looks tacky, too much plastic and 80s style electronic display, not that those comments reflect the quality of its function though. *also i see quite a few negative reviews on the net re clumping.
    Check one out it in the flesh... dont make your mind up based on just whats on the web!

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 74414C4B7F634F46464545200 link=1274591434/12#12 date=1274953291
    All doserless grinders clump....Including my Kony-e and Robur-e...

    The Mini-e clumps as well....

    Chris
    Not my Kony-E Chris, even at the finest grind Im game to try it still produces just loads of fluffy particles, not a clump in sight.... 8-)

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    Mazzer Mini-Electronic

    Hi all,

    Just wondering if a thread has already been created to discuss this grinder? Does anyone have one who can share their experience using it? The idea that you can dose an exact amount every time appeals very much to me, I just dont know how good or reliable it is.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Mazzer Mini-Electronic

    Hi Tony,

    Do a search ^^^^^^ over the last year using the term mini-e

    I dont like it as the timed dose is hopelessly inaccurate. Get a Macap M4D or Compak K3T

    Chris

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A4F4245716D4148484B4B2E0 link=1274591434/18#18 date=1278314069
    using the term mini-e
    Ah, thats it. how could I not have known :P. Thanks Chris, this is what I needed.
    Thanks for pointing me to the right thread 2mcm

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Just because a grinder has a digital display showing adjustments in small increments doesnt necessarily mean that it is anymore accurate than a manually set potentiometer type of timer or even any easier to use!
    Quick car analogy...how often have you sat in a car & observed that the speedometer shows numbers going all the way up to 200+ km/hr...do you think that that car is actually capable of travelling at that speed...same thing applies to digital displays the devil is all in the detail...in the grinders case devillish detail is in the resolution of the actual timing device itself not whats on the display.

    It would be really good if somebody was able to produce some credible shot to shot variation data between the two types of timers?

    Personally I think that a grinder is no different to a espresso machine, all devices have their own pros & cons which require the user to become "at one" with the device in order to achieve the best results.

    Ive got to admit that Im "old school" I just love the overall feel & quality that the Mazzer exudes & "twiddling a pot" is just as easy as pressing a button especially when you get the "feel" of the device.

    Lets face facts, in a home environment how often do you actually need to adjust the timed doses?
    I usually only need to tweak the timer a little when changing to a new batch of beans, it very rare that I need to adjust during the batch itself unless Im naughtly & dont drink enough coffee to get through the batch in a timely fashion..!
    Also does it really matter if one grinder is 10 -15 secs faster than another?

    Quick question for the Macap devotees if your grinder grinds that quick when & how do you declump, or do you complete all that after the grinder has finished?
    With the Mazzer (even though I feel that clumping is not really an issue!) I just give the coffee grinds a quick stir while they are being produced into the p/f & whilst it is resting on the grinder p/f holder...how easy is that...doesnt even require the use of both hands or modified yoghurt containers to prevent the grinds being sprayed all over the counter..!

    So, IMHO Im more than happy with the Mini-E, it ticks all of the boxes that interest me such as , quality, longevity, grind quality, dosing accuracy, great grind containment, etc, & since owning it my espresso quality shot to shot variation has improved no end which I can only attribute to the Mazzer Mini-E itself.
    Would I have achieved the same result if I had purchased a Macap, probably, but *I would also have had to upgrade my wardrobe, purchase some serious sized jewellery & wear a baseball on my head back to front whilst producing coffees...for me that was just a step to far to go in order to produce a "cup of coffee"..!

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D5A54565F6C7B330 link=1274591434/20#20 date=1278334552
    Quick question for the Macap devotees if your grinder grinds that quick when & how do you declump, or do you complete all that after the grinder has finished?
    With the Mazzer (even though I feel that clumping is not really an issue!)
    Clumping is not an issue with the majority of grinders
    IMHO Clumping is also used rightly or wrongly to blame something that is lacking in the users routine

    I owned a lovely Macap M4D and I got over the periodic clumping issue that came with the humid season by simply tamping
    I found that all the techniques on the net were of no benefit

    Now on another tangent
    1] I once favoured doser-less grinders now I love the doser versions
    2] With regards to dose I roughly pre measure my beans prior to grinding and get the perfect amount every time

    KK

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E5F4743534B2A0 link=1274591434/7#7 date=1274677107
    davec

    This is probably slightly off the topic

    I was interested in the idea of modification. *
    The wire mesh does hold back a lot of grinds. *Are you suggesting that the modification is to remove the screen. I had a look at an exploded diagram of the Mini-e and the screen is a part by itself. *It would seem to me that without the screen you would get totally fresh lumpless dose with each grind. This would save the waste when only wanting to make 2 cups of coffee at a time. *With the screen you have to waste approx 9gms

    dumiya
    If you remove the screen you get a fair bit of static in the grounds though, which you dont get with the screen in place.

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    Re: Im after a Mazzer Mini-e - upgrading from Rocky

    Hi Clio.....any movement on the Mini-E front? Im just curious to know what you eventually went for.

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