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    Where to buy a hand grinder?

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    Hi, Im new here and have been doing some reading (here and elsewhere) and I think the best choice for my budget is one of the handgrinders. *I use a moka pot and have no intention of upgrading anytime in the next few years because I cant see myself having spare money any time soon (Im a full time student, part time work).

    At the moment I just use pre-ground beans and I know I will get a significant improvement with the addition of a grinder but I really dont have any significant budget. *It its over $100 I automatically cant consider it. *I went through the sponser bar and I couldnt see anyone with anything of the sort - did I just miss it? *Does anyone know who to go with? *Or should I just search for a US website with cheap postage? *They seem to be fairly cheap from OS but postage pushes them up a bit.

    If anyone has any other suggestions I am certainly open to them but to be honest Im stretching the budget just to get a grinder at all.

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Hi Garm

    I can highly recommend the Hario handgrinder from Greg Pullmans offshoot thingscoffee.com.au - it costs $89.95 plus postage - only takes a couple of minutes to grind enough for two cups, and easy to adjust. Check the Pullman link on the left.

    Kyocera also do a handgrinder - Di Bartoli stock it $94.50 plust postage. *Check out the sponsor details on the left hand side for more info.

    Ive purchased from both websites and youre guaranteed great service from Coffeesnobs sponsors.

    cheers ;)

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    I bought a Hario hand grinder from Greg Pullman. He has another website called "things coffee" http://www.thingscoffee.com.au/ which has the Hario on it.

    I hasten to add that despite working at the same place as Greg, I get no kickbacks on purchases etc etc. Just a happy user of the Hario!

    /Kevin

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Hi Guys,

    much as the current Hario or Kyocera grind well for fine grinds some of the older ones are actually better for moka and up. The other thing with both the Hario (Pullman have) and the Kyocera is they only take about 14-16g at a time and this may be less than needed for a mika pot load.

    Look on the bay of evil for Zassenhaus or some of the older grinders IMO but avoid most of the modern chinese made clones as most are rubbish.

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    My moka pot doesnt use much coffee so I dont think that would be a problem but I did get the feeling that these hand grinders could be slightly uneven when it comes to larger grinds. *Im not exactly after a big grind though (as I understand it) so I dont know that it would matter too much.

    Im a bit worried about buying second hand from an unknown source as I cant be sure of the condition its in. *I also dont feel like I have enough knowledge about the different older stuff to be able to make an informed choice about what is a good old product and whatis simply an old product.

    To be honest I like the look of the Hario more than the Kyocera asthetically but I think Ill do some more reading and see which way to go. *

    Thanks for the links to those 2 stores - I think I was just overloaded and missed them.

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Hi Garm

    We sell the Kyocera, have stock and have a display model for testing and playing with in store.

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    Roger Bright
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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6046554A270 link=1275789855/4#4 date=1275794657
    these hand grinders could be slightly uneven when it comes to larger grinds.
    Thats what I think too the way the burrs are supported allows thelower burr to move to one side more at courser settings against the Zass which are better supported. Have a play if you can is a good idea too so let us know where roughly in Oz you are ;)

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Yeah sorry I meant to mention Im in Canberra.

    Roger - I think there is an issue with your site. *Some of the pages are coming up blank and others also seem to be linking incorrectly. *I have used 2 different computers from different locations and the problem is consistent. *PM me if you want more info. *My location obviously precludes coming in to see you too but thanks for the prompt reply.

    [edit: I have updated my profile - now displays my location]

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    The Kyocera (from Supreme) and the Hario (from us, thingscoffee.com.au) are both great units within your price range. I recommend you look at both. You wont get an electric grinder worth having for under $100 and these will be far far far better than pre-ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5156525D555F4A5A5D54330 link=1275789855/3#3 date=1275792740
    Hi Guys,

    much as the current Hario or Kyocera grind well for fine grinds some of the older ones are actually better for moka and up. The other thing with both the Hario (Pullman have) and the Kyocera is they only take about 14-16g at a time and this may be less than needed for a mika pot load.
    Unless Ive misunderstood it, I must correct the above statement. I just loaded up my Hario with beans - the hopper fully loaded could in fact hold 38g of beans, while the grounds container held 30g of medium grind (dripolator) coffee, see pic below. That means for espresso it can grind enough for four shots - without emptying or refilling.

    And that last phrase is really the point - the capacity of the grinder is nothing more than the capacity of those containers, which has no effect on how much coffee it can actually grind, only how often you need to empty or refill the hopper / grounds container. So all youll get from a larger grinder (given the same burr set) is the ability to grind for six or more cups of coffee without emptying the container and refilling the hopper.

    I can only speak for the Hario, not the Kyocera, though my recollection of the week I spent with it is that it is similar in dimensions to the Hario. Perhaps BFs comment is based on the fact the grinds container has 1-cup and 2-cup markings, but they certainly dont correlate to 7g of espresso ground coffee per cup.

    The whole reason we selected this Hario grinder and not the larger Skeleton / Skerton (depending on which spelling you look at) is because the smaller containers allow for a smaller overall unit which makes it better for travel, for storage, for ease of use and so on. Why lug around or store containers of empty space just for the sake of it? *:-? ::)


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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Hi Greg,

    surprised about the hopper size as I thought the grinders were the same size roughly and ran much the same burrs? What diameter is the upper hopper on the Hario out of interest?

    Lower chamber on the Kyocera is a lot larger than what a full top hopper can fill so maybe a little different balance between upper and lower hoppers on the two might explain the larger top hopper but similar overall size? Capacity of it also varies depending on bean size too.

    Anyway as you say hoppers are just that refill as required :)


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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Not sure about the exact diameters of the Hario SLIM, but here are some photos for reference:


    vs:



    vs. the picture posted by Greg above (to show ground coffee in the collection chamber)

    A shot showing the perfect fit of the Kyocera Collection Chamber when paired with an Aeropress


    and getting very OCD .. heres a comparison regarding the handles. *Kyocera at the foreground vs a Hario SKERTON (the larger Hario) handles. *I do believe the Hario SLIM has the same thickness handle as the SKERTON. *Kyoceras handle being slightly thicker.


    Regarding the actual materials of the Grinders. *Kyocera manufacture the burrs for both the Hario and its own unit. *Hario only manufacture the Glass (on the SKERTON design) with plastics on all units outsourced. *The Plastic on the Kyocera is of a thicker/harder feel to it. *The SKERTONs hopper has a lot more FLEX to it. *All plastics still feel very durable though. *The Burrs on the SLIM and the KYOCERA I believe are the same design (and interchangeable). *The Burrs on the SKERTON are different (and also coloured Grey). *They are the same diameter, but taller, with more "teeth". *The SKERTON is adjusted from the Top, while the SLIM and KYO are adjusted from the bottom. *The SKERTONs bottom burr is FIXED to the spindle.

    So to recap:

    The differences of the three hoppers:
    1) Kyocera CM-45CF *.. holds 20grms. *(easy to dose 14 grams using the internal fins as markers, and easy to dose and do 1/3 blends, the grounds container fits the Aeropress brew chamber perfectly for no mess transfer)

    2) Hario SLIM ... holds 38grms in the hopper but only holds 30grms in the grounds collection chamber. *I dont know about about dosing for different volumes, but Im sure you could do similar to the Kyocera.

    3) Hario SKERTON .. holds 100grms. *Collection chamber is specially designed for AROMA ... a beautiful ballon shape, and being made of heavy duty glass (Hario make thermal glass .. eg.. the Syphons). *Different Burr Set to the above. *Harder to use if you have small hands, but sit down and use it as a knee mill. *Not as portable as the above two.

    KYOCERA available now from Supreme Roasters, Di Bartoli, *as well as the SKERTON which will be rebranded as a KYOCERA unit (CM-50CF) with full warranty backing.

    The Hario SLIM available from Greg Pullman. *(great price on the Combo)

    Good luck with your decision, and welcome to Coffee Snobs.

    Cheers
    Mark

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    To touch on au_d2s points above:

    1) Hario hopper has similar internal fins to the Kyocera but there are four rather than three. In theory this would make the Hario stronger but I dont think either sets of fins are inadequate, the Kyocera certainly didnt feel cheap and nasty when I used it. The Harios fins can be used in a similar manner as what au_d2 mentioned. And as shown below the Harios chamber likewise fits neatly into the Aeropress.

    2) The 30g in the collection chamber, as I mentioned, was a medium grind. Im sure if I wanted to spend the extra time to do espresso youd get more in the chamber. My point really was that both chambers are substantially above the 14-16g originally quoted.

    Au_d2 kindly loaned me a Kycoera for a week which performed very well so Id have no hesitation recommending that either. I was going to buy a Kyocera but had the opportunity to use a Hario before I made my decision. The factors that swayed me to choose the Hario instead were:

    1) The Harios bottom burr is held more securely in place than the Kyocera which should translate into more consistent particle size
    2) The crank handle on the Kyocera didnt sit particularly securely in place, but that may be because the one I had was a demo unit. It may be that they wear over time and that a new one wouldnt have that out of the box. The Harios handle locks in more positively and has continued to do so
    3) Personally, I prefer the black and clear colour scheme of the Hario which matches the Aeropress, rather than brown and clear, but thats just me.

    Either way Im sure youll be happy, Mark was a gentleman to deal with and hopefully the same could be said for our service if you came to us. Good luck!

    Greg


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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D382F2D3A3F2626272B244A0 link=1275789855/11#11 date=1275978733
    Either way Im sure youll be happy, Mark was a gentleman to deal with and hopefully the same could be said for our service if you came to us. Good luck!

    Greg

    Greg,

    That definetly goes without saying that people get consistently amazing service when dealing with you! Ive had a few people foresake packaged Rattleware tampers (which are great!) for a pullman later. :)

    Roger

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Im amazed by the response Ive gotten here. *Im also amazed at the great community feeling. *There arent many forums I know of where vendors will not only promote their products but those of competitors. *In fact the only one that springs to mind is Badger & Blade.

    I think what Ill do is pick up a kyocera for now and then when I have a bit more money and have shown myself the difference a grinder makes (and the hario is back in stock) Ill do a deal with my brother (who Im started to bring around from freeze dried pre-ground in a $99 "espresso" machine) to market bought (though still pre ground atm) beans in a moka pot and we can get the aeropress and hario together and each be set up. *By the end of the year he will have spare money and Im sure will happily be directed here to check out the options.

    Thank you everyone for your great input and offers. *While Im a bit of a lurker on forums and dont generally have much to productively contribute I think Ill definitely be hanging around here.

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    Dont forget to buy fresh beans. #1 beans, #2 grinder. Im sure there must be a roastery in the holy city somewhere.... If not, Im sure Andy can oblige!

    I think youll find the AeroPress a revelation too!

    Good luck, let us know how you get on!

    /Kevin

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    Re: Where to buy a hand grinder?

    No worries Garm. Yep sponsors here on CS are generally a pretty friendly bunch - at the end of the day, while wed all like the sale from a financial perspective, we want you to be happy with what you purchase and feel you were able to make the right decision for you without being pushed into something you didnt want. I take the same view with tampers and am quite happy to recommend a Reg Barber, Espro, Torr or even a cheapie if I feel thats what will best suit the customer.

    KJM is right about the fresh beans - CosmoreX in Fyshwick (a fellow sponsor) would be able to help you out with beans, otherwise Andy and several others sell beans online. FWIW the Hario is due back in stock tomorrow (presuming shipping is as quick as it was last time which of course isnt necessarily the case ::)). Otherwise I know the Kyocera will be an enormous step up from pre-ground - if you compare them in an Aeropress or plunger youll be amazed at the bloom of crema you get from freshly ground coffee!

    Good luck with your decision!
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