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    New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Got my new Versalab the other day and after some initial teething problems its all up and running and working a treat.

    Significant change compared to the Mazzer Mini i was using previously. The shots run darker and then switch to blonding much more rapidly and dramatically.

    Still working on how the taste has changed but it certainly tastes different. Its like the coffee tastes fresher through this grinder compared to the mazzer.


    cheers paul

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Some photos










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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    I love the simplicity of the Versalab
    Goes well with the LM

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    that is a sweet sweet pair
    ive never understood where you dump the beans into? :-[

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B2622272C2C490 link=1276312976/3#3 date=1276346352
    that is a sweet sweet pair
    ive never understood where you dump the beans into? *:-[
    There are hoppers available, in fact sounds like the machine can be fitted with 2 hoppers, otherwise hand feed with a scoop, see here.
    http://www.versalab.com/server/coffee/grindernew.html
    Certainly is an interesting machine. :)

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    There is a hopper and it is in my laundry as Versalab forgot to send me the two mounting screws.

    ill post some final pictures when the hopper is mounted.

    for the moment you simply pour the beans into the top of the funnel with the engine running. Therefore you measure out and weigh each grinds worth of beans each time you make a shot.

    cheers paul

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    and theres no popcorning going on?

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    there is some, but we are talking maybe one or two beans that bounce out during a grind..... ive just learnt to place my hand around the opening and it stops it

    i was worried about the popcorning but its really not bad, and the main thing is im measuring 16 grams in and im getting getting 16 grams out

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    I love the simplicity of the Versalab
    I also love the simplicity of the Versalab.

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    Freak thats a clean set up alright :)

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    I want your machine :D

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    Please keep us informed as to how it continues to work for you. Id love to go to a nice conical but the huge size of most puts me off, so the Versalab has that advantage going for it.

    If you get a chance to play with a Robur or something vs the Versalab, Id be really interested in the outcome. :)

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    Hi

    I had read about the Versalab over a year ago or more ago. Since when has it been available? I presume its quite pricy?

    What I really like is that that they were innovative in getting the grinds to have a straight path by offsetting the motor.

    Interesting that the pour starts darker then blonds more rapidly. Suggests that the extraction does not have a long tail. This could be because the grind has a very narrow distribution compared to even other conical grinders.

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Quote Originally Posted by 3F3C29202923212527294C0 link=1276312976/12#12 date=1277126429
    Interesting that the pour starts darker then blonds more rapidly. Suggests that the extraction does not have a long tail. This could be because the grind has a very narrow distribution compared to even other conical grinders.
    The review by Jim Schulman didnt mention that part of the extraction, although it did mention perfect pours every time and great taste. He also made mention of mechanical and adjustment difficulties that have been the source of some friction with the manufacturer.

    In the Titan grinder test the Versalab won two and lost two to the Robur--although the two losses seemed to be the result of the difficulties above. This occurred with one of the first 10 machines built and without the upgrades that were available.

    Is there a distributor or ??? in Australia?--or is it order direct?

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    Hi Greg

    i think versalab have come a long way since Jims run in with the product. None of the issues that he had seem to be present and i know that versalab have addressed every one of his concerns.

    you order direct with versalab there is no distributor and to give an idea on price you need to allow about 3.5k after duty and gst.

    the simple fact is, it is the best home grinder as there is no retained grounds, has a small footprint, and it is more minutely adjustable compared to the mazzer if that makes any sense.

    cheers paul

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    It is a cool grinder but for the $$ I think I will have to stick with my belt drive DRM ;)

    With the belt any thoughts on danger of getting bits of human dragged into it? The DRM runs a heavy cogged one so that exposed could be really nasty :o

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Quote Originally Posted by 7671757A72786D7D7A73140 link=1276312976/15#15 date=1277185870
    It is a cool grinder but for the $$ I think I will have to stick with my belt drive DRM ;)

    With the belt any thoughts on danger of getting bits of human dragged into it? The DRM runs a heavy cogged one so that exposed could be really nasty *:o
    I have the same concerns and wonder what the relevant authorities would think if you tried to certify it for sale here? *:-?

    To me, it looks unfinished and Id rather lose a little coffee and have a Robur-e or Kony-e over one of these...

    Nevertheless, it rocks your personal boat, and that is all that matters....

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Quote Originally Posted by 3F382A282A212A3D4F0 link=1276312976/0#0 date=1276312976
    The shots run darker and then switch to blonding much more rapidly and dramatically.
    Seems strange :-/ Are you talking minimally or quite considerably ?

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    id say that the versalabs grounds simply provide a better extraction and there is way more solids in the extraction compared to the mazzer.

    dont forget also that the versalab does away with distribution issues and this might be having affect also

    cheers paul

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    Hey pweg! Wondering how the M3 is breaking in for you. I occasionnaly flirt with the idea of picking one up......but reality usually sets in before I grab my cash. *:-) *

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    i love it !!!!

    it just makes the coffee process really easy and the shots are just always good

    id recommend without reservation

    cheers paul

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Its a while since Ive thoroughly searched coffeesnobs so Ive missed this thread until now. Ive had my M3 for a few years now,and have added the group holder and the volumetric doser and hopper. The grinder is only used domestically but it hasnt missed a beat and still grinds perfectly consistent coffee. The only hassle is that the coffee grind is so fluffy and light that I have to carefully tap a heap mountain of grinds so that it all settles into the basket. The dose is always correct though. I will buy a sleeve for the doser at some stage so that I can use it to dose accurately for the single basket, but really this has been my best coffee equipment purchase.

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    Hi

    You mentioned that the "coffee grind is so fluffy and light ..." and that earlier "the shots run darker and switch to blonding earlier". It would be interesting to get some pics under a microscope of the grinds from an M3 and a Mazzer or Macap grinder. Grind to the same "feel" according to your fingers. Will the shape and distribution of the grinds be very different? Surely they would be the only properties that would account for the observed behavior.
    Attached is a pic of my grind from a gino-rossi - very irregular and clumped. Bars are 1mm from a plastic ruler. I used a cheap usb camera.

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    Re: New Grinder - Versalab M3

    I have had mine for a number of years already and it is the best I have. The only other grinder that comes close is the OE pharos but the flat bur connical bur combination in the M3 will beat the connical only Pharos at the drip coffee grind ranges according to my taste buds.

    The M3 will definately make better grinds than my super jolly. My espresso shots are significantly more consistant and less prone to channeling when using the Versalab M3.

    I find the M3 to be simple to maintain and practical to use however I do need to replace the belt drive as it slips on occaision if the pully area is not clean.

    My M3 sits near the stove so it is possible grease spatter from cooking may have found its way unto the pully over time but the problem really started one day when some one kept pouring beans into it before starting it up.

    After a few times of this it started slipping. The Versalab motor should be spinning at top speed before adding the beans.

    I works fine again every time I clean it with alcohol but the belt does have a deformity in it from the first time it slipped.

    Its been a long time since I ordered a replacement belt and I am still waiting.

    Otherwise all though it is sharing time with my Pharos (fun grinder to use and play with) these days, it is still my main home do it all grinder.

    If you order one expect to wait a few months to get it or even up to a year despite what a certain person on the other end of the phone line may tell you (dont expect it to be gospel to put it nicely.)

    Know this before you order (I did so as a result I did not sweat it while waiting) and you will save yourself a lot of agravation.

    I do not know of any other grinder like it.

    The exposed pully and belt are configured in such a way that it is not really a danger (hard to explain.) It also makes cleaning and maintanence much easier.

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    Versas customer service is by far the worst part of the package, they can be a frustrating company to deal with if you are in a hurry. If you expect to wait at least 6 months then the experience will be more pleasant. The frustration will be forgotten as soon as the grinder arrives anyway.
    Now that you mention it, I cant remember a single instance of channeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teleman191 View Post
    Were can we get these in melb?
    Nowhere. They're self-import

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    I just realized this in an old thread. I wonder how many times OP has changed the moving wiper by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JojoS View Post
    I just realized this in an old thread. I wonder how many times OP has changed the moving wiper by now.
    I've changed mine once and that was because I was buying a dose sizing bush from Verslab and they have an improved wiper so I took advantage of the same shipping charge and ordered one. Haven't noticed a difference though. It's still an amazing grinder



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