Results 1 to 18 of 18

Thread: New grinder

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    390

    New grinder

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    In around 2-3 weeks time i will be looking at purchasing a new grinder.
    The mazzer mini has served me very well over the last 5 years or so but i think it is now time to move onto a conical grinder.

    I originally wanted a new machine, but form everyone i have spoken to and all the research i have done, it would seem the grinder upgrade would be a better option.

    Now i originally thought of a robur, but the price is a little scary, so have been researching the kony and k10.

    Height on both just clears under the bench, but i can move the machines to the L bench of the kitchen where there is no overhead cupboard to worry me.
    The other issue, i have seen people complaining about cracked hoppers on the K10 when they use the smaller ones.
    Not sure if this is still an issue or not or if its covered under warranty.

    So from everything else i have read, they both have a couple of issues which dont bother me too much, but what i would like is some feedback from those who have used both.
    Which did you prefer and why.
    Also what is the main difference between the k10 and k10 wbc

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    389

    Re: New grinder

    Hi John,

    I was in the exact same situation as you. I had a mini and upgraded to a large conical. I ended up with a kony-e. I have since started working as a trainee barista part-time and have used the K10 WBC as well as a Robur and some BNZ grinders. Are you looking at the kony-e or the doser version? The K10 doser sweeps really clean, which is an excellent feature. You may experience some clumping with doserless grinders like the Mazzer E range. I am glad I went for the grinder I did at home. I am sure you will be happy whichever way you. No doubt there are equally good large conical options as well. I do go through more coffee at home since upgrading, the Kony holds more in the throat than the mini so some wastage is par for the course in my opinion. Worth it though.

    I cant comment on the K10 hopper issue as I have had no experience with that.

    Brett

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    390

    Re: New grinder

    Brett

    thank you kindly for the reply and information.
    If i were to go with the kony, i have not yet decided if i would opt for the e or normal doser version.
    Still doing my research and trying to find as much as i can.
    I suppose the best thing to do is go and just use them to see the ins and outs of each one first hand.
    Still its good to get peoples opinions who have lived with them for a while.

    How much difference in flavour have you noticed since moving to a conical grinder?

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    389

    Re: New grinder

    Hi John,

    There is a thread you may have seen called the large conical users group (from memory) and you will see many positive opinions on the flavours and consistency you will get from a large conical. I have been very impressed with it. Mostly because you can replicate amazing shots time and time again.

    If you get the chance to check out a grinder before you buy one then I would recommend it. The problem I found, in Sydney at least, is that nobody seemed to stock them to be able to have a demo. So I bought one without having a play with one, which turned out more than okay.

    I am not sure where you are located but you may find a nice CSer who has one that you can check out at their place or something like that. Some of the site sponsors in states other than NSW may have a grinder on their bench that you can demo.

    Flavour-wise, definitely worth it in my opinion.

    Brett

  5. #5
    Senior Member Koffee_Kosmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    5,113

    Re: New grinder

    I recently acquired a BNZ MD74 conical
    Its smaller in stature than a Kony but grinds like a Robur

    However its only available in a doser model

    I have owned both doser & doserless grinders and found both work brilliantly.
    Apart from personal preference, please dont be swayed to much in this option as they both work equally well

    KK


  6. #6
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665

    Re: New grinder

    Hi John,

    We have demo Kony-e and Robur-e on the bench.

    I wouldnt go a conventional Kony as its too slow. Both "e" variants are quicker. Youll be at 4ish seconds with the Robur-e and <7 sec with the Kony-e for a double.

    The K10 is great as well. I have had 3 with K3 hoppers and have not experienced the issues you have mentioned. The only difference these days is doser anatomy- see the .pdf files on our website...

    Cheers

    Chris

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    390

    Re: New grinder

    Thanks again Brett and KK

    when the time was right, i was of course going to pay Chris a visit as i have dealt with him a few times now and have always been very happy with his service.

    Chris, has there been any talk of the K10 doserless hitting our shores? Wondering how it would compare to the kony e
    Also in your honest opinion, as you sell both, which would you chose. The kony e or K10 wbc

    KK, will have to look at the bnz also.

    Thanks again for all the help

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    554

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C797E7857160 link=1279676623/2#2 date=1279680960
    If i were to go with the kony, i have not yet decided if i would opt for the e or normal doser version. .....

    How much difference in flavour have you noticed since moving to a conical grinder?
    I have a Kony doser model (non E). I like having the doser- I have always considered the doser on my grinders as a "dispenser" and not a measuring tool. The Konys works well for that, but it needs some modifications to do so. *The flapper switch needs to be removed from the doser and a wiring jumper installed to bypass the circuit. if not, then is is impossible to sweep or even access *the throat of the grinder. The other mod was to cut a playing card to fit up into the dosers vanes to act as *"sweepers." With those installed, the doser comes very clean with *some multiple pulls of the doser lever.

    With those things in mind, remember that the Kony was designed t serve a coffee shop. At the SCAA show I mentioned to the Kony representative in their booth that I had the Kony at home and he laughed out loud with more than slight amusement and wonder.

    Comparing the Kony to the Rocky (my previous grinder), the flavour was more pronounced. It brought out more of the varietal flavours that were lacking in the Rockys grind. I actually toned down my blend a bit using a slightly higher ratio of the base bean. It wasnt a dramatic difference, but it was noticeable, and in a good way, really.

    Would I buy another Kony? Wont need to considering that the burrs alone in this one will probably last at least a decade or two for home use. Do I regret purchasing it? It was lightly used so I did get it at a good price. If I could afford to do it again, I would look around, but I really do admire the simplicity of and effectiveness of their upper burr carrier and the solidity of the grind adjustment. It it was to be anything other than a Mazzer Kony it would have to be one very fine and simple piece of engineering to get me to buy another brand.

  9. #9
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F5A5D5B74350 link=1279676623/6#6 date=1279692432
    Thanks again Brett and KK

    when the time was right, i was of course going to pay Chris a visit as i have dealt with him a few times now and have always been very happy with his service.

    Chris, has there been any talk of the K10 doserless hitting our shores? Wondering how it would compare to the kony e
    Also in your honest opinion, as you sell both, which would you chose. The kony e or K10 wbc

    KK, will have to look at the bnz also.

    Thanks again for all the help
    Nothing yet on the K10 doserless John. Its still at prototype stage.

    My conical ownership experience includes K10s, a Robur and now a Robur-e and 2 x Kony-e, the "e" versions are faster than the dosered versions, though both are fine. I love the convenience of the Kony-e and for me, there is nothing around which would make me consider a change at this point. I have plenty of doser experience and do enjoy them, but am still cleaner with the doserless versions.

    I think if its conical doser for home, get the K10. The Kony-e wins my doserless vote.

    Chris

  10. #10
    Senior Member Koffee_Kosmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    5,113

    Re: New grinder

    I have no problem with any of the recommendations noted above

    The BNZ has a wonderful sweeper mechanism and the coffee grounds drop straight down to the waiting basket
    Very clean

    KK

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    554

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D484542766A464F4F4C4C290 link=1279676623/8#8 date=1279694723
    My conical ownership experience includes K10s, a Robur and now a Robur-e and 2 x Kony-e, the "e" versions are faster than the dosered versions, though both are fine.
    Chris,

    Interesting. Was that an older Kony doser against the newer Kony-e? For about the last 18 months or so the larger Mazzers have had an "impeller" mounted on top of the top burr that "pushes" the beans into the grinding area better than the older ones, and so I wondered if that was the source f the speed differential?

  12. #12
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 61525D574A6C741D330 link=1279676623/10#10 date=1279737113
    Chris,

    Interesting. Was that an older Kony doser against the newer Kony-e? For about the last 18 months or so the larger Mazzers have had an "impeller" mounted on top of the top burr that "pushes" the beans into the grinding area better than the older ones, and so I wondered if that was the source f the speed differential?

    Quite possibly Randy.

    According to Mazzer, the burr set is the same one. My Konys are current spec and the only doser Kony I have seen was the old spec and that was slooooow!

    Chris

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    554

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 36030E093D210D04040707620 link=1279676623/11#11 date=1279748054
    Quite possibly Randy.

    According to Mazzer, the burr set is the same one. My Konys are current spec and the only doser Kony I have seen was the old spec and that was slooooow!
    Chris
    Yes, if you are in a hurry then it is probably best to look elsewhere. The Kony, with its large doser and automatic shut-off switch when the doser is full is made for high-demand shop use. I have never timed mine, but I grind into an empty doser and thwack-thwack continuously (no wise cracks) while filling the portafilter. The (relatively) slow speed is a definite help for even distribution. I can only assume that when the doserless model came out, Mazzer got complaints about its slow speed which was previously unnoticed. That is when they devised the impeller, but that is just my guess.

    The bean impeller can be added- it comes with a longer bolt to replace the one now holding the upper burr and just bolts on.. iirc it is around $65 or $75 USD. For that amount I can be patient. It does help lessen "popcorning" when the hopper is less full.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    390

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 11222D273A1C046D430 link=1279676623/12#12 date=1279751129

    I grind into an empty doser and thwack-thwack continuously (no wise cracks) while filling the portafilter. The (relatively) slow speed is a definite help for even distribution.
    This is what i currently do with the mini also. My only issue with the elctronic models is more to go wrong. With the mini in 5 years i have only had to replace 1 spring :)

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    466

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 52616E64795F472E000 link=1279676623/12#12 date=1279751129
    Quote Originally Posted by 36030E093D210D04040707620 link=1279676623/11#11 date=1279748054
    Quite possibly Randy.

    According to Mazzer, the burr set is the same one. My Konys are current spec and the only doser Kony I have seen was the old spec and that was slooooow!
    Chris
    Yes, if you are in a hurry then it is probably best to look elsewhere. The Kony, with its large doser and automatic shut-off switch when the doser is full is made for high-demand shop use. I have never timed mine, but I grind into an empty doser and thwack-thwack continuously (no wise cracks) while filling the portafilter. The (relatively) slow speed is a definite help for even distribution. I can only assume that when the doserless model came out, Mazzer got complaints about its slow speed which was previously unnoticed. That is when they devised the impeller, but that is just my guess.

    The bean impeller can be added- it comes with a longer bolt to replace the one now holding the upper burr and just bolts on.. iirc it is around $65 or $75 USD. For that amount I can be patient. It does help lessen "popcorning" when the hopper is less full.
    Not quite right on why the impeller was installed. Speed increases and lessening the popcorn effect were only secondary. The original impeller was installed at the request of a coffee shop as their very large beans were not feeding into burrs properly/effectively. Seeing this Mazzer installed an impeller to break up the beans into smaller bits (pre-grinding). Only then was speed increases/consistency noted.

    just clearing it up ;D

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Perth WA
    Posts
    572

    Re: New grinder

    JohnA
    I could not be happier with my Kony-e.
    I did, however, *jump from a Rocky.
    I am very happy with its lump-less grind - I have made it a bit more friendly for the very limited cups of coffee I make - as a result *I *get a few loose grinds around the place but it is worth it.
    D

  17. #17
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    16,869

    Re: New grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 684D4A4C63220 link=1279676623/13#13 date=1279756674
    My only issue with the elctronic models is more to go wrong. With the mini in 5 years i have only had to replace 1 spring :)
    If you were talking about Dinky Toys, then yes, I would have to agree with you. The electronic control used in the Mazzer-E machines though is of industrial/commercial quality and hardened both by design and component selection to ensure that it is as much up to the task as the mechanical components of the grinder.

    My background is in industrial electronic systems, among other things, and I can assure you that properly designed and specified electronic systems are usually more reliable than the mechanical platform theyre intended to control or manage... ;)

    After all, were really only talking about a Timer with output switching here, nothing fancy.... :P

    Mal.

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    390

    Re: New grinder

    Dumyia and Mal

    thanks for the info.

    With everything i read i guess i would be happy with either.
    Saw a couple of you tube videos and must admit i do like the way the kony e works.
    Now i think i just need to make a time and get down to see Chris and view them both

    Thanks again for everyones help



Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 33
    Last Post: 29th January 2013, 11:46 PM
  2. Replies: 35
    Last Post: 16th November 2012, 12:33 PM
  3. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 7th May 2011, 07:00 AM
  4. Eureka Mignon Grinder or Brevilles Smart Grinder
    By Golden_Brew in forum Grinders
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 6th May 2011, 10:59 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •