What about the Versalab?
Im a newbie and I need a grinder. After lots of reading and asking opinions basically down to a short list of 3. The Mazzer Kony E, the Robur E or the Compak K10 WBC. Value for money no doubt K10 WBC but should I just bite the bullet once and for all and get the Robur E. I mean its big but beats having 2 grinders, right? Vertical space is no problem for me. It does seem to be the reference standard. Other than the price is there any downside?
It will be for home use.
Trouble is Chris says Ill have to wait till April if I want one.
What about the Versalab?
Welcome JohnT.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
The problem is, theres no easy answer to be honest. All the grinders at this level (and youve left out a few) do a great job, given that theyre all designed to do this in a commercial setting. Only way for you to know which one is right for you, is to get some hands-on experience with as many of them as you can. That way, youll pick up on the pros and cons of each one and assign a preference ranking.
I love my Kony-E :-*... Its quick, clean, quiet, very easy to use/adjust and of course produces the goods where the quality of grind is concerned. Now that the Macap M7K-Digital is soon to be available, I reckon this one should definitely be on your shortlist - Would be on mine if I didnt already have the Kony... ;)
Thanks Mal. Coming from a dare I say Nespresso background I say to myself "What am I getting myself into?". I suppose no pain no gain. ;D
Really enjoying meeting up & talking with the coffee enthusiasts though!!!
OK, now to research the Macap 7K.
Hi John,Originally Posted by 202522243E2B3F394A0 link=1298614941/3#3 date=1298616449
Coming from a Nespresso background, any good grinder K3T upwards will be a quantum leap from where you have been. There is a lot of hype around the great grinders and if your palate is good, you may notice a difference at the top end. That said, the biggest influence on whats in the cup is going to be your level of skill in putting it there.
In my opinion, the conicals are terrific grinders for volume applications and possibly for the black coffee drinker (whichever way you have it). So for me, an unqualified yes. Under milk, nope. Ultimately, it will come down to which rocks your boat.
For mine, there is absolutely no value in having a Robur on your bench unless youre the guy who drives a V12 as well. Match it to a 2 group and many dinner parties. Its overkill and may go faster, but is irrelevant in the home. It wont do anything a Kony wont and the extra speed is not needed.
So far, I am yet to use or see a versalab. At this point for me its a bit of a joke and has relevance only to those pent up on process. For the dollar ask, it should be made out of platinum or come with complimentary tickets to collect it at origin ::). I am not in the least bit interested in the fiddling around required to use one and to make a run of shots would be ridiculous. I see it as the geek grinder.
Moral of the story, be careful not to get sucked in by that hype. Even an M4D would be a brilliant match. Buy the right grinder for you, not what others tell you to buy.
Not sure if you have found this thread yet, might provide a bit more info for you. http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1268192465
I have been running the K10 for the last month or so at 6-10 coffees a day. Lots of Pros over what I did have and exceptionally happy. Cons needs a large purge in stock form due to grind retention in the chute to the doser in stock form (mods to come) if left idle for to long.
Have fun playing and looking at the options. :)
Hmm...very interested in this one.* When will it be available & does anyone have any pictures to show?Originally Posted by 4A67636F620E0 link=1298614941/2#2 date=1298616087
Yes Gavin- we have some on order.
awesome, Chris - would love to see one in the flesh when it arrives. :)
just when I thought I had made up my mind on the Kony-e ::)
Impossible Gavin as the grinder consists of pretty much only metal and plastic* ;DOriginally Posted by 4442554A4D230 link=1298614941/8#8 date=1298683678
You will however be able to see it in the metal.
Attilio and I have a few coming in for evaluation.
The M7D discussion thread can be found at http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1295409969/0#0
"For the dollar ask, it should be made out of platinum or come with complimentary tickets to collect it at origin ."
Chris, its funny you say this giving you nothing about the versalab. The current asking price is USD 1700, which given the aussie is at parity makes the Versalab a compelling buy.
Yes Paul,Originally Posted by 4A4D5F5D5F545F483A0 link=1298614941/10#10 date=1298687096
I also say:Just like you, I am entitled to an opinion. Regardless, I have no interest in it.Originally Posted by 6E5B56516579555C5C5F5F3A0 link=1298614941/4#4 date=1298619240
Chris - Im interested in a conical - mainly for the many things Ive read about it improving things "in the cup" but I always drink my coffee with milk - so it sounds like there wouldnt really be a benefit in upgrading?Originally Posted by 14212C2B1F032F26262525400 link=1298614941/4#4 date=1298619240
Hi Sniff,Originally Posted by 7B657D7066657E7F110 link=1298614941/12#12 date=1298691453
Id suggest you try your grinder v a conical and see if you can pick a difference- ideally in a blind tasting. Thats the only way to get a definitive answer.
Awww...I was hoping I could order one with a leather-lined body & hopper :DOriginally Posted by 54616C6B5F436F66666565000 link=1298614941/9#9 date=1298686384
While I agree that youd be hard pressed to identify which grinder is doing what where milk coffees are concerned - Since owning the Kony, I drink far more black coffee than I ever used to and enjoy it far more. So, I guess you just never know where a big conical will take you.... ;)Originally Posted by 4F51494452514A4B250 link=1298614941/12#12 date=1298691453
Just when I thought Id found a cure for upgradeitis!Originally Posted by 1835313D305C0 link=1298614941/15#15 date=1298703843
I bucked the trend and got a BNZ MD74 conical
Tell you what I am very quickly appreciating why a quality grinder is important. Played with a friends Alex Duetto II today and only had an old La Pavoni with very dull burrs. Great coffee from Di Bartoli but the grinder was such a limiting factor. The shots from a double basket with just under 20 grams was in the 14 seconds range. When we set the grinder to finer it would not spin not enough tourque. Maybe blades out of alignment. Dont know but the grinder was stuffing us up.
Anyway wed get it started then turned it finer once it was already grinding. We got a great shot with great crema but still very fast shots. Gave us encouragement at least!
This is the only recommended method to use, as it happens, as to do what you originally tried can fry the motor. If this happened to a new grinder, the warranty wouldnt cover it.... ;)Originally Posted by 7A7F787E64716563100 link=1298614941/18#18 date=1298710766
And a darn fine grinder it is KK.... 8-)Originally Posted by 60444D4D4E4E7460445846442B0 link=1298614941/17#17 date=1298710460