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    My previous grinder was a Rocky. It was getting rather old and needed the burrs replaced. I now have a K3, and am trying to adjust the grind setting. For a double shot (60 seconds, 60 mls) the ground coffee does not seem as fine as it was for the Rocky, but perhaps more even in particle size. I think the coffee taste lacks some of the complexity it had with the Rocky (eg chocolate and nut flavours) and is more sharply bitter. I am after advice about changing settings to improve the flavour.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    How many pounds have you ran through the K3? It could take some time to wear the burrs in a bit, leading to much smoother, more pronounced espresso.

    So youre running 60 second doubles? Im a fan of not bothering with time or volume for espresso, but 60 seconds is a bit much.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 25292424273C3D3B480 link=1299010663/0#0 date=1299010663
    I am after advice about changing settings to improve the flavour.
    My K3 grinds beautifully around 35 +/- depending on beans and humidity.

    Sixty seconds is a very long shot and in my setup that would produce a bitter brew. I stop the shot once blonding occurs and that varies between 25-35 seconds for a 60ml double.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 54585555564D4C4A390 link=1299010663/0#0 date=1299010663
    My previous grinder was a Rocky.* It was getting rather old and needed the burrs replaced.* *I now have a K3, and am trying to adjust the grind setting.* For a double shot (60 seconds, 60 mls) the ground coffee does not seem as fine as it was for the Rocky, but perhaps more even in particle size.* I think the coffee taste lacks some of the complexity it had with the Rocky (eg chocolate and nut flavours) and is more sharply bitter.* I am after advice about changing settings to improve the flavour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A51585D564E0E0D0C390 link=1299010663/1#1 date=1299011118
    How many pounds have you ran through the K3? It could take some time to wear the burrs in a bit, leading to much smoother, more pronounced espresso.

    So youre running 60 second doubles? Im a fan of not bothering with time or volume for espresso, but 60 seconds is a bit much.
    Couldnt agree more with needing to wear in the burrs.* My F5 took almost 6months to settle down due to the small volumes ground in a domestic setting.* The only other thing the OP hasnt mentioned was if the roast profile or beans and their freshness has changed.* What beans are you using Mallotus, and are you running the grinders side by side currently to draw these conclusions (sounds like you are)?

    Also bear in mind that any new equipment that you get will also need a user run-in time also... so go ahead and make a heap more coffee and enjoy yourself.* Fine up the grind little by little and get the shot time down to 30 seconds and have a great time!

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs.

    Put extraction time into Quick Search at the top right of this page, to find past discussions on how to improve your coffee.*

    The longer the brew time, more caffeine is extracted resulting in bitter coffee.

    Brew time is effected by dose amount, grind fineness, tamping, humidity and coffee freshness.

    Adjust one at a time. Perhaps try grinding coarser for a faster flow.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 696568686B707177040 link=1299010663/0#0 date=1299010663
    For a double shot (60 seconds, 60 mls) the ground coffee does not seem as fine as it was for the Rocky, but perhaps more even in particle size.
    Hi mallotus and welcome.

    60 sec is a very slow extraction rate and there are very few machines which would produce a drinkable shot at those settings. I wonder if you have made a timing error there?* :-?

    Aim for a grind setting which results in about 50-60ml (from your double) in around 25-30 sec from the appearance of the first drops.

    Visually, your pour should retain some "drippiness" throughout the pour to get you into the ballpark. From there, let your palate do the fine tuning.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 614640474A330 link=1299010663/2#2 date=1299014200
    My K3 grinds beautifully around 35 +/- depending on beans and humidity.
    Really? My starting point is usually about 39.5 and usually the variation is only between about 38 and 41.

    Ive had a stack of different beans through my K3T and have never had cause to go below about 38, in fact usually anything nearing that point will go close to choking my machine.

    Weird how theres such a variation between otherwise seemingly identical machines.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 2A2A2A600 link=1299010663/6#6 date=1299045340
    Weird how theres such a variation between otherwise seemingly identical machines.
    Not really ;)

    I would expect different settings for different espresso machines as well as beans.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 5374727578010 link=1299010663/7#7 date=1299046388

    Not really ;)

    I would expect different settings for different espresso machines as well as beans.
    I must admit that I didnt notice what machine you have when I initially posted but even when you consider the huge differences between our machines Im still surprised at the massive variation between our K3T sweet spots, especially when you consider that even one number up or down makes a significant change.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 797979330 link=1299010663/8#8 date=1299063599
    Im still surprised at the massive variation between our K3T sweet spots, especially when you consider that even one number up or down makes a significant change.
    But isnt the K3T a Stepless Adjustment grinder?

    You should be able to dial it in within a gnats whisker of perfect every time, I would have thought.... :-?

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 05282C202D410 link=1299010663/9#9 date=1299067897
    Quote Originally Posted by 797979330 link=1299010663/8#8 date=1299063599
    Im still surprised at the massive variation between our K3T sweet spots, especially when you consider that even one number up or down makes a significant change.
    But isnt the K3T a Stepless Adjustment grinder?

    You should be able to dial it in within a gnats whisker of perfect every time, I would have thought.... :-?

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    Even so, the movement for adjustment is quite stiff. It wont accidentally shift on you but it is hard to make very fine adjustments. >:(
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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E595F58552C0 link=1299010663/10#10 date=1299093377
    It wont accidentally shift on you but it is hard to make very fine adjustments. >:(
    Ah, I see... [smiley=happy.gif]

    They dont have much of a gear reduction then? I wouldnt call the adjustment collar on my Kony all that friendly either, it is also very tight but nevertheless, it is still possible to make very small adjustments courtesy of the small extension lever (or what ever the correct name is) that screws into the collar.

    I guess its the fate of most of us in a domestic situation. The usage is so infrequent compared to their targeted user group, that most of us will be churning out espresso from our wheel-chairs by the time everything frees up. Probably something that most of us dont even consider when opting for a commercial grinder - Cest la vie.... ::) 8-)

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    My K3 grinds beautifully around 35 +/- depending on beans and humidity.
    How do you tell that you are on 35?

    The reason I ask is that on mine the position indicator (little pin) rotates with the grind regulator (the one with the numbers). As a result the position indicator is always sitting on 42. To the left and right of the shoot cover (not moving with the top) are little beans and words indicating fine and coarse. Its a 2010 model.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    I was just looking at mine and couldnt work out how you would assign a number :-?

    I just had to coarsen mine up a bit, easy enough to move a couple of mm at a time. had to go out twice with the new beans I have, 4 days post roast.

    30 second double and it tastes great 8-)

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    It seems a little odd that the numbers also turn with the reference (position) indicator. I must admit I dont need to adjust it often.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E445F727E594443464C4142592D0 link=1299010663/12#12 date=1299147624
    The reason I ask is that on mine the position indicator (little pin) rotates with the grind regulator (the one with the numbers). As a result the position indicator is always sitting on 42
    The position indicator is for positioning the upper burr when reassembling the unit after cleaning. It has nothing to do with day to day setting of the grind* 8-)

    There is no reference mark for setting the grind.* I used a dab of white correction fluid to mark the housing and also to mark a point on the scale which corresponds to a ball park setting.

    The marks havent come off in almost two years :)


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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Thanks Rusty for clarifying what the position indicator is for.* I must say, the Compak K3 instruction manual is very poor!

    I have the number 38 lined up with the front nose on mine.* I was a bit worried that my Compak K3 was second hand.. when I got it out of the box, it had finger prints and grease marks on it.* *Also having to set it so fine at 38 on a supposedly new machine was a bit strange.* I expected to have to adjust it finer as the burrs started to wear down.* *

    I cant say I have been overly impressed with the Compak K3 Touch...* should have kept using my Sunbeam Cafe Series Conical Burr grinder and saved myself $700!* :(

    BTW...I buy freshly roased beans weekly!!*

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 744B52575B4A3E0 link=1299010663/16#16 date=1299711224
    I cant say I have been overly impressed with the Compak K3 Touch... should have kept using my Sunbeam Cafe Series Conical Burr grinder and saved myself $700! Cry
    Ive had three grinders: Rocky, Sunbeam 0480 and now the K3 Touch.

    The K3 is miles ahead of the 0480 and far better than Rocky.

    You should get a far better result from your K3 :o What problems do are you having?

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 043B22272B3A4E0 link=1299010663/16#16 date=1299711224
    I must say, the Compak K3 instruction manual is very poor!*
    They come with an instruction manual? :-?

    Did you purchase it from a sponsor? If so it might be worth going back to them and asking for some advice. I have the K3 WBC and its great 8-)

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Hi Again Rusty!

    I find I continuously need to adjust the grind..just when I think the settings are right, it goes wrong! I am beginning to think the grinds arent consistent. And I find it very difficult to adjust.

    I think there may be better options out there with clearer adjustment markers etc.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 484E5952484F57553C0 link=1299010663/18#18 date=1299714652
    Quote Originally Posted by 043B22272B3A4E0 link=1299010663/16#16 date=1299711224
    I must say, the Compak K3 instruction manual is very poor!*
    They come with an instruction manual? :-?

    Did you purchase it from a sponsor? If so it might be worth going back to them and asking for some advice. I have the K3 WBC and its great 8-)
    Yes I did purchase it from a Sponsor...been back once, but may need to try again.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 635C45404C5D290 link=1299010663/19#19 date=1299714955
    I think there may be better options out there with clearer adjustment markers etc.
    Ive never looked at the adjustment markers on mine. I adjusted it so that I got a 60ml double in about 30 seconds (prefer slihgtly less, say 27-28).

    I generally dont adjust it until I change beans, although sometimes I may have to adjust it when the beans are getting towards 14 days.

    Is your dosing and tamping technique consistent? Your tamping pressure could be variable, or you could be suffering from channelling which will both affect your shots and could appear like the grind was off.

    Where in Melbourne are you based?

    and what espresso machine are you using?

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 2325323923243C3E570 link=1299010663/21#21 date=1299721144
    Is your dosing and tamping technique consistent? Your tamping pressure could be variable, or you could be suffering from channelling which will both affect your shots and could appear like the grind was off.

    Where in Melbourne are you based?

    Using a Giotto Premium Plus - purchased late last year.* I am very particular with tamping, will continually throw out an expresso until I have near perfect pour!* *You would think with a $3,000 set up I would have perfect coffees everytime!* *Too many espressos going down the sink!!

    I live in the Eastern Suburbs, and buy my beans direct from the roasters -* Griffiths Coffee in Mulgrave.* *

    What is channelling??

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 013E27222E3F4B0 link=1299010663/22#22 date=1299722384
    You would think with a $3,000 set up I would have perfect coffees everytime! Too many espressos going down the sink!!
    I think that statement indicates that the user may be the problem ;)

    Im not being smart, just sharing that whenever I think my equipment is at fault it usually turns out to be my technique. :(

    Bad habits are easy to fall into.

    I wonder if when you shots are off you adjust dose and tamp instead of or as well as grind? Adjusting more than one variable at a time makes it impossible to find the real cause.


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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 715650575A230 link=1299010663/23#23 date=1299723455
    I think that statement indicates that the user may be the problem
    Thanks for the insult! My dose and tamp are as consistent as they can be..

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 003F26232F3E4A0 link=1299010663/24#24 date=1299726004
    Thanks for the insult! My dose and tamp are as consistent as they can be..
    Im sorry you took my post as an insult :o

    I was trying to be helpful by relating my own experience in case it might be helpful.




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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    A $3000 machine is still subject to input from the user so I dont assume it would produce perfect coffees every time.

    Please explain your dosing and tamping technique so an objective opinion can be given on whether or not they are consistent.

    If you throw out an espresso, what do you change for the next attempt?


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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    Quote Originally Posted by 370B160D070611040C07630 link=1299010663/26#26 date=1299728078
    Please explain your dosing and tamping technique so an objective opinion can be given on whether or not they are consistent.

    If you throw out an espresso, what do you change for the next attempt?
    Very valid question TG,

    The overwhelming majority of people I see with grinder issues are in fact dosing inconsistently from shot to shot and actually just have operator issues ;) ;D

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    I dose and level off, then tamp firmly twice.

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    Re: Compak K3 touch settings

    I agree with the other members posts regarding operator issues. Addicted1, please do not take this as an insult but rather them trying to help you.

    How consistent is your dosing?

    One of the biggest improvement I have made with the consistency of my shots is measuring each dose with a cheap digital scale. I grind into a double basket which is unattached to the PF then weigh on the scale till I get exactly 14g of coffee. Then load the basket into PF without the spring and tamp very very lightly & and then one twist. I rarely get poor shots with this technique. In fact* I only get them if the beans are getting a little old. This way I eliminate one important variable i.e dose.

    You will be surprised how much variability there is in dosing by just eye-balling it.

    I suggest you work out a dose that suits your machine , it may not be 14g, could be 15g or 16g etc. Use a digital scale to ensure you get this dose every time and then adjust the grind till you get the general 60ml in 25-35s rule.

    Good Luck.

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    Couldnt agree more with needing to wear in the burrs.* My F5 took almost 6months to settle down due to the small volumes ground in a domestic setting.* The only other thing the OP hasnt mentioned was if the roast profile or beans and their freshness has changed.* What beans are you using Mallotus, and are you running the grinders side by side currently to draw these conclusions (sounds like you are)?

    Also bear in mind that any new equipment that you get will also need a user run-in time also... so go ahead and make a heap more coffee and enjoy yourself.* Fine up the grind little by little and get the shot time down to 30 seconds and have a great time!

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    My new Compak K3 Advanced Touch seems can not grind fine enough to get espresso quality, although I have use the finest setting. I got 80 ml double shot in 25 second. Is this related to your statement "needing to wear in the burrs" and "My F5 took almost 6months to settle down due to the small volumes ground in a domestic setting" ?
    Is the manufacturer setting already the finest or we can re-adjust the burr to find finer setting ?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irmin View Post
    My new Compak K3 Advanced Touch seems can not grind fine enough to get espresso quality, although I have use the finest setting. I got 80 ml double shot in 25 second. Is this related to your statement "needing to wear in the burrs" and "My F5 took almost 6months to settle down due to the small volumes ground in a domestic setting" ?
    Is the manufacturer setting already the finest or we can re-adjust the burr to find finer setting ?
    Thanks.
    It's most likely a problem with your beans rather than the grinder. It sounds like old stale beans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    It's most likely a problem with your beans rather than the grinder. It sounds like old stale beans.


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    Thanks. I will try to get fresher beans.
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