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    Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

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    Am buying a sunbeam 6910 coffee machine and am trying to find out what the feedback is on the Em0480 grinder. The grinder is on sale for $179 so thought this was a good deal. Cheers :)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by strawdog link=1167534081/0#0 date=1167534081
    Am buying a sunbeam 6910 coffee machine and am trying to find out what the feedback is on the Em0480 grinder. The grinder is on sale for $179 so thought this was a good deal. Cheers :)
    Gday Straw,

    The general thought is that theyre ok- though many owners have been challenged by relatively large steps- which make it difficult to dial in the perfect grind. The next port of call is probably an Iberital Challenge- which has stepless adjustment- but theyre a fair bit more expensive....

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    The sunbeam grinder isnt good enough as an espresso only grinder. I once used it with Silvia and the stepped adjustments are just too large between clicks. 1 click finer and it will overextract, 1 click coarser and it will underextract, leaving you to figure out a dosing technique that will work. Eg coarser grind, dose, collapse, redose and tamp?

    Annoying but workable as a first espresso grinder. Im not sure what else you can get for this price range up to $300....I have a commercial Cimbali (which has infinite adjustment) and getting a Mazzer mini soon (which has micrometrical adjustment) .....I just need that adjustability that Im too used to.

    Find the Sunbeam grinder thread....Im sure its very long with lots of opinions.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    heres the link

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1138058473

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    thanks everyone ...read the coffee connoisseur and he thinks its good, good enough for him to sell. good enough for him good enough for me...

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    The Gaggia MDF is a very good grinder in that price range too.

    I am quite happy with mine and if I chose too I could also modify it to make it stepless.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    You can do better than $179... my wife got one from HN for $170 before Xmas, with no haggling.

    If $$$ are important then go for the EM0450 which has the same mechanism but plastic body instead of S/S. RRP is $159 but you should be able to get it down to $130 with some haggling.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    I bought the EM0480 for $170 at Good Guys today and Im no longer a grind-your-own virgin :) Theres coffee grounds all over my kitchen bench and Ill be awake all night from the caffeine but its worth it. The smell in my house is amazing! For someone thats owned an espresso machine for less than 2 weeks Im amazed at how addicted I am to this whole coffee experience...I even purchased a mini french press when I bought some beans today so Im able to drink the good stuff when I return to work in a couple of weeks . A fresh grind in the morning (or evening depending on my shift) and Ill be gettin my fix day and night (work supplies Nes-CRAP-e bland 43 and theres no way Im going back to that muck!!). I ground much too finely to start with and I didnt even get a pour...a few tweaks of the dial and that golden nectar was flowing...mmmm.
    I dare say this thread hasnt contrbuted much to the topic except I had to get it off my chest - the coffee snob version of going to the pub to tell your mates I guess ;D

    Cheers

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Congrats, Saambo,

    Little hint; get a paintbrush to brush the loose grounds of the bench.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    nice one saambo. its addictive alright - both the process and the brew. save the grounds to be cleaned up as compost for your garden (or someone elses garden) - works wonders and keeps them slugs away :)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    You can minimise stray grounds by adapting a container made of thinnish plastic, such as a 2-litre milk bottle, to envelope the portafilter. Youll need to scallop away some of the front to accommodate the portagilter.

    It works.
    Its ugly. But it works.
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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Another trick I found with this grinder is that you can get finer adjustments of the grind setting by setting the dial to be half way between clicks. This is possible because the click is a very soft click - more of an indication than forcing the dial on an actual number. Its a bit fiddly and not 100% reliable but I am getting better extractions times.


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    I bought mine before Christmas at GoodGuys for $150.

    I found that grinding into a plastic container caused the statically charged grinds to stick to the container whereas grinding into glass or metal was a bit less messy.

    Another problem with the EM0480 is if you are grinding for turkish the grinds tend to stick together up inside the exit chute and eventually clog up entirely.
    After cleaning it a couple of times I unscrewed the top and found the grinds were building up in an unnecessary grove in the channel which leads to the exit chute and as a temporary fix I tried putting some aluminium foil on top of the channel to make a much smoother pathway. This seems to have worked so Ill try a more durable solution next, maybe even trying electrically grounding the chute to the metal chassis to see if the reduces static charge buildup further.

    Ill take some pictures next time I open it up.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    I finally got my Grinder, thanks to the sale of my prize. *I havent actually seen the funds transfer yet, but Im sure it will transfer overnight tonight. *

    Anyway have lots of stale beans to grind to try and get it right. (I know I should be using fresh beans, but for the experimental stage I will use the older beans to at least get a little closer to the right grinder setting. *It makes it hard though as I have got the crema enhancer baskets, but hopefully I will pick up some non pressurised baskets in the next couple of weeks.

    I have tried the grinder on setting 12 - 15 so far. *lots of older stale beans to waste.

    On setting 12 I struggled to get any liquid out of the portafilter, on 13 - 15 I got liquid flowing but not the 30ml in 25 secs. *(I believe I will not get this due to the filter baskets) *I got more like 30ml is 15 - 18secs. *thats if I start count as soon as I turn on the machine (The Breville 800ES does a presoak of the beans for a few secs then starts the flow.

    I am getting a very wet and watery portafilter and puck. *I am still learning the tamping techniques so this may have something to do with it. *Lots a trial and error (lots more errors at the moment) until I get a better flow even with the crema enhancer baskets and less water left in the portafilter and sloppy coffe ground pucks.

    I know there are a few posts around on the sight, I just have to go back and do a search when I got a bit more time on my hands.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    I have a EM0480, and am pretty satisfied with it. It is matched with a Gaggia Classic, and makes truly amazing coffee. The Classic is a lot less fussy than the Sulvia, so it is easier to get a good shot. Sure, if I wanted to spend more, I would be happier, but for $170 odd bucks? you cant go wrong.

    To The Goodies:

    I have never used a machine with presurised PF before, but my understanding is that you basically dont need to tamp at all. Just a quick thump on the bench to settle the grinds may be in order.

    Cheers

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Glad you got your grinder, Goodies. Be aware that some units have problems with the grind setting moving to the extreme fine or extreme coarse end of the scale (Ive had both problems). Exchanging them isnt an issue if necessary, and overall they are a great grinder to use. The auto touch button is wonderful, and they look pretty cool too. :)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    *Bump*

    I couldve started a new thread but decided to ask my question here...

    Im looking at a coffee grinder <$300 for espresso only. Ive read the excellent thread looking at grinders in the same price range. For me, the Sunbeam EM0480 just beats the Iberital Challenge simply on price. The main thing Id be worried about is if I got a better espresso machine and the stepped adjustment became a problem (ie. many have suggested that the steps are too far apart).

    My question is this: what mods are there for the EM0480 and are they worth the effort etc.? In this thread, dailybeans signature mentions the "cotton string mod" which I cant seem to find any other info on. Im hoping this is a mod to make the EM0480 pseudo-stepless... Is it?

    Thanks,
    Stuart.

    PS. Dailybean: Ill PM you the same question as soon as Ive finish this (my first) post - they wont let me PM until Ive posted at least once! (And here I was, just lurking and minding my own business...)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Stuartgrant

    welcome to CS mate.

    Yup, the steps are definately too big [about 9sec per step].
    If its for espresso you will find you need to have a couple of dosing/tamping techniques up your sleeve to "bridge" the times caused by the large step. Its possible, but you will burn through a lot of shots before you get acceptable ones.
    That was my main reason for outgrowing it in only a couple of months.
    Like most here, once youve gone stepless you cant go back.

    "One small step for a sunbeam is one giant step for a Snobber"

    The other problem is essentially sloppy burr holders, so there are also repeatability issues.

    When the stars all do align, it can produce a great shot though.

    There are mods that can fix the sloppy burr problem and ways to make it stepless: see RAYCs excellent thread "how to fix those dreaded sunbeam problems forever"
    Bottom line, if you can be bothered modifying it, it will be a great grinder, if you prefer a more reliabily manufactured unit out of the box, the IC is a better choice.

    P.S. One of the other problems was that the upper burr would "bed" into its carrier, essentially moving it further away from the lower burr, hence you need to grind finer and finer untill you run out of steps.
    The upper burr is a pushfit into the carrier, so the fix for this was to insert a spacer/shim to push it back out, this is essentially what the string mod does. ie the string acts like a spacer.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    This is a bit of a mixed bag comment but is mainly about the EM0480.
    I can now (I think) produce a reasonable shot - the coffee tastes ok .
    The grinder is set on 18 - quite close to the coarse setting but the shot is fine - about 25/30 secs and tastes ok *perhaps why worry. I find that the grinder does produce a few "clumps" from time to time but *I smooth these out and it seems ok. * There is quite a lot of ground coffee left in the grinders shute (so I have to clean its bottom each time) with the inadequate brush supplied by the manufacturer.

    Any observations re grinder setting , clumping and machine cleaning appreciated.

    As a seperate issue also fitted Silvia Wand to Gaggia Classic Machine and it makes a huge difference. Can make good froth for a cap but still seem to pour thru crema and no good for lattee art - probably need to go to *a good course and more practice neeeded for this.

    Any recommendations for courses in Melbourne where more individual attention is given. ie not for work situations but for home users.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    The coffee left in the chute is a known problem.
    You cant do any more than you are i.e. brush and a few solid taps.

    Clumping would be due to static; another known idiosyncracy.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Hi all
    Ive had this grinder for a while now and just because I like to tinker I have made some mods to it to improve on Sunbeams great work [smiley=wink.gif]. I really like this grinder however I couldnt agree more with you all, Its really annoying how there are always coffee grinds left behind in the chute. I found that with a little patience I grind and prepare the coffee a little differently.

    Like others before me I measure out the coffee before I put it in the hoper, you could measure the beans with a digital scale however I found that by using a spare filter basket(or something similar in size) you can get pretty accurate dosing measurements. secondly to keep things easier to clean you can grind strait into the container that was supplied with the grinder, I found that grinding strait into the portafilter very very messy, as you have probably found( this will also give you a free hand to work with).

    Now to the bit that I do differently, after the beans are measured and have been completely ground into the container,Ii take the hoper out and with my hand(cupping your hand ) tap the top of the grinder like a drum a few times. This will get all the grinds out every time and with very little mess. This method has proven to be very efficient in getting all the grinds out, I used digital scales to compare hole beans and final grinds just to make shore.
    I guess this sounds like a bit of work for a just few grinds but it really becomes easy once youve done it a couple time.

    Hope this helps,
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    coffee in the cup and not in the bin is a great thing!


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Are you forcing air through with your cupped hand rancho or merely hitting it to shake the grounds loose?

    I used to lift my 0450 and tap its feet gently on the bench to get the last grinds out.


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    I discovered that i could adjust the timing of the shot to some extent by using a double basket / single basket.

    On grind setting 16 I find that my time for a 30ml pour takes roughly 18 seconds... when the darkish foam turns to whitish foam ... so i stop.

    If i set my grinder one step finer it does take more than 26s....

    So what did i do?


    ..i used the double basket! put in a little bit more coffee, and now i get a nice ~22 seconds before the color shift to pale crema. Looks about 30ml too.

    ok, the coffee is a little stronger than with the single basket, but i find that i can cope with the steps on the grinder better with the double basket and varying my dose.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Ezra,

    A double shot is 50-60mls in 25-30 seconds from a double basket

    A single shot is 25-30mls in 15ish seconds from a single basket/ one of two 25-30ml shots from a double basket.

    Pulling a 30ml shot with a double basket in ~22seconds is a ristretto. If thats what you were aiming to get then ignore me :)

    if one step finer is increasing your pour time by 8 seconds, which is common in stepped grinders, you have to adjust your tamp/dose. less tamping/less dosing.


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin1 link=1167534081/15#24 date=1211465223
    A single shot is 25-30mls in 15ish seconds from a single basket/ one of two 25-30ml shots from a double basket.
    Is this a typo Gavin? The standard Brew Time regardless whether youre pouring a Single or a Double is the same.... 25-30 seconds. A 15 seconds/30ml shot from a Single wont taste the best.... :P

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    oh really? oops I never touch my single baskets ever.

    But from memory I remembered it as 15ish 17 seconds from a single basket...hmm thats odd

    Does that mean I lose my CS membership?! noo! :D


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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin1 link=1167534081/15#26 date=1211468093
    Does that mean I lose my CS membership?! noo! :D
    Hell no mate! :o

    Just need to swig 3 of your pre-described Single shots of espresso in less than one minute and well call it even...... :P ::)
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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin1 link=1167534081/15#24 date=1211465223
    Ezra,

    A double shot is 50-60mls in 25-30 seconds from a double basket

    A single shot is 25-30mls in 15ish seconds from a single basket/ one of two 25-30ml shots from a double basket.

    Pulling a 30ml shot with a double basket in ~22seconds is a ristretto. If thats what you were aiming to get then ignore me :)

    if one step finer is increasing your pour time by 8 seconds, which is common in stepped grinders, you have to adjust your tamp/dose. less tamping/less dosing.

    Oh ive been pulling ristrettos? nice...

    I was aiming to get the extraction to 30ml before the color shift within 20-25s

    I didnt fill up the double basket as per the instructional video, its more like 2/3rd full....

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0480 grinder

    hi Thundergod
    in response to your question, I do force air through the chamber with a cupped hand, plus the knock helps to loosen anything thats stuck in there.
    Trying to dose and adjust setting consistently with this grinder is tricky, to many variables...arrr

    ill get there one day
    Rancho.




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