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    Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

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    Ive got the EM0450 (Sunbeam) and this is a bit of a saga for me as I purchased the unit brand new from someone who got it as a gift.

    Anyway the grind of the coffee is very coarse. Almost like Instant coffee. I called Sunbeam and they sent me the shim kit/washers.
    Ive placed them in the unit and theres no change at all.
    Whether on setting 25 or 1, its the same coarseness.

    I really push down on the top burr to place it in and no change.
    While on the top Burr, its not meant to click into place is it? All I can seem to do is drop it in to its slot/hole. Only fits in 1 way, wont twist or turn or click into place.

    Im just concerned that altho its a brand new unit, Its a gift item so no receipt or anything.
    Sunbeam did send me the shim kit though regardless.
    The other thing is it came as a kit (PU5900) so was in a combined box with the EM5900 machine.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Its impossible for the shims to not make a difference if installed and the unit reassembled correctly.

    Did Sunbeam send you instructions?
    Have you at least carefully followed the instructions that came with the grinder for how to remove and replace the top burr?
    You have to line up the white arrows for a start.

    Where are you located?(please update your profile)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Hi Zac,

    It should turn and lock in. I kinda do it on autopilot, so Ill have to run thought it when Im at home and take note of what Im actually doing... but off the top of my head, Im quite sure the top burr turns to lock into the top collar. This would be your problem, I would imagine.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Actually, just tracked down the manual, and if you follow its direction, you would take the following steps (taken from pages 8 & 9 of the manual... co-incidentally, they are steps # 8 & 9):

    8. With the grind adjustment collar in hand align the graphic line on the collar with the line on the rear of the motor base, press down.

    9. Replace the top burr back into position in the grind adjustment collar. Ensure the marker on the top burr is aligned with the marker inside the grind adjustment collar and push firmly into place.
    Turn clockwise to the desired grind setting.

    So, the burr stays in place, and the collar turns around it till you get to your desired grind setting... seeing as you have a number of shims in place, Id start coarse and work your way back... if it is a case of having not been fitted quite right up till now, you could notice an overly fine grind if it does finally click into place for you.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Yeah I wondered if its the top Burr, and I find that altho there are 2 white marks to line up that I dont need to line the marks up as it slots into the cavity in the same way regardless of marks lined up or not.
    Ive tried pushing and twisting the top burr with the marks lined up and get no joy.
    When I drop the top burr in, all I seem to really be able to do is push it and even then theres no give. Definitely cant twist it or lock it any further into place unless im overlooking something.

    BTW im from Adelaide

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    After all this time, I just figured it out. I took the other piece off that the top burr slides into and fitted it on while it was off of the rest of the machine. Seems its the only way I can actually get the Burr in.
    I will have to take a spacer or 2 out now as at the finest setting it wont grind at all.
    Im glad its all sorted now, and now I can start to experiement a whole lot more.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Good to hear youve got it up and running.

    And be careful not to try to grind on the finer settings until some spacers are removed... you can imagine what sort of damage could be done burr on burr :o

    Like I mentioned before, Id be starting on the coarsest grind and working back from there.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    ah ok, id better do that, as im on about setting 20 at the moment, around 10 it wont produce anything at all.

    Maybe I need to get a UN-pressurised basket but I find that the coffee pour blondes too quick, ie starts black, quickly goes the nice stripey coffee pour and then blondes pretty quick until I stop the pour.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    What beans are you using ?

    Fresh from a known local Roaster not Stale Supermarket stuff.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D7674486476170 link=1300990310/7#7 date=1301310361
    Maybe I need to get a UN-pressurised basket
    Un-pressurised basket and fresh beans (as AM alluded to) would be a good move.* What machine do you have?* I can recommend taking GregWormald up on his very generous offer of free basket modification (for Breville/Sunbeam baskets).* I did this with the stock basket from my Breville Ikon and am more than happy with the results.

    Once you have unpressurised basket and good fresh beans, its a case of tweaking your process until you get to the point that it works for you on a consistent basis... a bit of good old trial and error!

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    I have a sunbeam EM5900, so my next move will be unpressurised baskets.
    As for the fresh beans, i was given 2kgs of coffee beans when I bought the unit.
    I guess for the love of coffee Ill put them aside :)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Quote Originally Posted by 7863615D7163020 link=1300990310/10#10 date=1301388668
    I guess for the love of coffee Ill put them aside Smiley
    I gonna go out on a limb here and guess hat they are not the highest quality beans - put them aside in the bin and be done with them.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    My em0450 works a treat, but grinds espresso-grade on 20. That doesnt leave much latitude for a coarser grind to suit the work plunger. Has anyone tweaked theirs to open the burrs slightly? (Im a bit worried Ill stuff it up completely and get nothing out of it.)

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D30313C323B2A5E0 link=1300990310/12#12 date=1302045498
    My em0450 works a treat, but grinds espresso-grade on 20. That doesnt leave much latitude for a coarser grind to suit the work plunger. Has anyone tweaked theirs to open the burrs slightly? (Im a bit worried Ill stuff it up completely and get nothing out of it.)

    Peter
    If the cause in not putting it back together properly, Id be looking to see if there are some shims you can remove.

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Thanks TG. I havent had it apart yet - thought it best not to until I had an idea of how others had adjusted it.

    Peter

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    My mate is having a similar problem (fresh Campos beans, Gaggia Baby machine).
    I went over today and didnt understand it.
    On about 15, it grinds finely but sporadically - nothing comes out unless you bang it.
    Any finer setting - nothing comes out.
    We took it apart and cleaned it and reassembled it (several times), and now it grinds terribly coarsely on every setting with no change. I could only find one way that everything fit back together and we followed the manual.
    My brother in law has the same grinder with no problem, and Ive had an em0480 for 4 years with no hassles either.
    I have recommended he take it back to the shop (Harvey Norman) to exchange as it seems that the burrs are all out of whack. Its 3 months old and he has the receipt.
    Any other ideas before he does this?

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Quote Originally Posted by 053E333F3D0F3324343923223F560 link=1300990310/15#15 date=1303804636
    On about 15, it grinds finely but sporadically - nothing comes out unless you bang it.
    Any finer setting - nothing comes out.
    It was set way too fine and this has compacted coffee grinds between the burrs and probably in the exit pathway as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by 053E333F3D0F3324343923223F560 link=1300990310/15#15 date=1303804636
    We took it apart and cleaned it and reassembled it (several times), and now it grinds terribly coarsely on every setting with no change
    You havent done it correctly, probably cross threaded. The burrs should have screwed together effortlessly - any resistance is either due to coffee in the thread, or cross-threading (not good).

    Quote Originally Posted by 053E333F3D0F3324343923223F560 link=1300990310/15#15 date=1303804636
    I went over today and didnt understand it.
    Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by 053E333F3D0F3324343923223F560 link=1300990310/15#15 date=1303804636
    I have recommended he take it back to the shop (Harvey Norman) to exchange as it seems that the burrs are all out of whack.
    Might have been best to provide this advice at the outset. Fortunately, the staff at Harvey Norman are likely to know less about the grinder than yourselves, so you just might get away with it! ;D

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Well its not much different to an EM0480 which I know well, there was no resistance, everything fit together smoothly and easily, but the grind was the issue. There was certainly no cross threading. Its as if the burrs are spaced either too far or too close with no in-between "sweet spot."

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    I didnt mean any offense, however as the grind was too fine at the outset, and following your intervention is now too coarse, unless Im missing something.... :-/

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Assuming its a 0450 as per the thread title, its been put back together wrong.

    How far apart did you pull it for cleaning?
    Did you line up the arrows on the top burr holder with the body when you put it back together?

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    I was having problems with a coarse grind on a 480 sunbeam. I tried the fix using home made plastic shims. Works fine (pun intended) now. I noticed that when I had the machine apart that some broken beans were blocking the entry path and also that the area under bottom burr needed a clean. Have you checked that these pathways are clear?

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Hi all, sorry to revive a dead thread, but i rang sunbeam to order a shim kit, and they knew nothing about them. any help???

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    I dont think they know them as a shim kit, I called a while ago and just told them about the issue and they sent me out washers immediately.

    Good luck ,

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    Re: Sunbeam EM0450 Coarse Grind

    Old post dig but I had this exact problem today and solved it. Noone has really explained the solution.

    When you take these apart to clean them and then reassemble its easy to mess up steps 8 and 9 in the manual. When you put the adjustment collar back on it is important to line up the two markers, but then do nothing else. This is when you put the top burr in (also lining up those markers).

    Then, and only then, you turn the adjustment collar clockwise.

    Its very easy to mistakenly pop the adjustment collar on and instinctively turn it at this point (before you put the burr in), but if you do the top burr wont go in correctly. But (just to confuse you) the top burr will go in incorrectly (with the markers not lined up) and it will appear like its all good to go.

    The easy way to test. If you can lift the top burr back out when you have the grinder adjusted right, you have installed it incorrectly. Go back and start again. Collar, burr, then turn collar.



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