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    Good Turkish grinder for under $700

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    Hi all,
    after spending the weekend poring over hundreds of forum posts on the topic of grinders Im not sure whether I came out enlightened or confused* :D

    Im looking for a home use grinder that does this, in descending order of importance:
    [list bull-blackball][*]gives quality consistent grinds[*]goes down all the way to Turkish while still able to produce grinds usable in a plunger[*]has no (or little) retention, and no doser[*]is not too messy or noisy[/list]

    Speed is not much of an issue, Im actually considering a manual grinder, too (but Im reading conflicting things about quality and consistency of the grind).

    The plunger/press thing is not a hard requirement, as long as the Turkish end works well. I may hang on to our KitchenAid Artisan for coarse grinds.

    Ive been reading up on the K3T, Vario and BCG800 - from what I read they would all fit the bill. However, most reviews I found concentrate on espresso grinds and dont go much into the finer stuff. Thats why Im still undecided.

    Can somebody offer some advice, please?

    Cheers
    Steffen.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Once you start requiring Good consistent Turkish grinds (powder) your pushing the limits if the unit is required for others.

    Then there is the issue of swapping between and clearing the chute / burrs and your expected setting. Even the ceramic hand grinders have been reviewed as not ideal for Turkish - Will do in a pinch but not perfect.

    The Mahlkonig Vario Grinder (Di Bartoli Coffee Centre) has teh option to swap between settings with ease. However you would need to chat to them and other users as to how consistent it is.

    That being said, am not sure that it would meet the purest expectations for great Turkish.

    My suggestion would be to have two grinders. One for espresso and Plunger and a special for your Turkish.

    One size does not always suit all, if looking for Great OR Perfection.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    I agree with AM that if you want Turkish you need a dedicated grinder.

    Ive ground fine enough for Turkish with my Macap BUT the problem was it then locked it up and I had to pull it apart and clean it to unjam the burrs and get it going again.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Not sure if it will work but a stone flour or spice mill might be worth a go if you can find one. From memory most of the speciality turkish coffee grinders use stones not burrs.

    Apart from that your best bet would be a large flat burred deli type grinder with a vertical set of burrs to minimise the issues TG mentions above when you get down to Turkish dust.

    Dare i say it too a mortar and pestle with elbow grease will work too ;)

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Thanks for the advice, much appreciated!

    So, assuming I dedicate a grinder to Turkish, would any of the ones mentioned above be suitable? What about a Kyocera ceramic manual grinder? Do they go fine enough?

    Keep in mind that Im really new to good coffee so my palate and expectations wont be highly developed. On the other hand, Id like to buy equipment I dont have to replace every few months just so it keeps up with my growing experience and expertise. Im very much a "buy proper, buy once" kind of guy.

    Cheers
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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B7C6D6E6E6D66080 link=1301273147/4#4 date=1301279757
    What about a Kyocera ceramic manual grinder? Do they go fine enough?
    As stated in my first post =* Maybe at a pinch but not ideal.

    If Turkish is your passion have a took at the many Turkish coffee forums.* They still tend to like the traditional brass hand type.* Plus they look good too* ;)

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 34333738303A2F3F3831560 link=1301273147/3#3 date=1301279330
    Not sure if it will work but a stone flour or spice mill might be worth a go if you can find one. From memory most of the speciality turkish coffee grinders use stones not burrs.
    Yeah, Ive seen one. Very old, very cool looking.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Ive seen those brass or copper mills in US online shops, they do look cool.

    As usual, there doesnt seem to be an easy way out (as in: one machine that does it all). I think Im going to play it like this:
    [list bull-blackball][*]Find a good all-rounder machine that goes "really fine" (which one could that be?), we do drink a fair bit of plunger coffee and - who knows - might get into espresso one day[*]Find a way of getting rid of the KA (my wife adores the look of it)[*]If the new all-rounder turns out to be unsuitable for our Turkish needs, explore specialist options (incl manual and mortar & pestle :) )[/list]

    Cheers
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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    An espresso grinder is not suitable for a Turkish grind, if used repeatedly they choke up

    A Turkish grind (for the benefit of others) is like talcum powder or flour

    I only know of the brass Turkish hand mills for personal use and specially designed commercial grinders

    I have tested the ceramic hand grinders and NO they dont grind fine enough

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    When Im camping I make turkish coffee and I grind the beans with a mortar and pestle. I got a brass one from one of the lebanese shops on Sydney road in Brunswick, the mortar has a flat base and the end of the pestle is almost flat too. Someone could correct or confirm but I think its designed for grinding coffee for turkish or arab style coffee but it still takes ages to get powder.

    You could try running the beans through an electric grinder then finishing them off in one of these mortar and pestle sets. That might not take too long.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Not sure of your location but the South Melbourne market has a stall selling Turkish hand grinders similar to the picture


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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Thanks all for your input!

    My mother and grandmother used to grind coffee in a blade grinder. It would produce a fine powder if run for long enough. Thats the only process for making Turkish grinds Ive ever witnessed myself. The prolonged blade grinding would produce a significant amount of heat, though, which ultimately cant be good for the coffee.

    I like the hybrid approach Conan suggested. If a machine gets me close enough I suppose I can finish it off in a mortar without spending too much time or effort.

    Cheers
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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 0B2C3D3E3E3D36580 link=1301273147/11#11 date=1301312791
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    My mother and grandmother used to grind coffee in a blade grinder. It would produce a fine powder if run for long enough.....The prolonged blade grinding would produce a significant amount of heat, though, which ultimately cant be good for the coffee.....
    Seriously Interesting, and playing devils advocate....

    Do you know if grinds heated in the grinding process pose any kind of problem for coffee that is intended for brewing by the "turkish" method?* Especially as even the Turks themselves grind beans with grinders in small volume production eg delis and shops selling coffee, and in home use, and this of course means 2 spinning steel plates run to almost touching and yes these really do get hot. Also the water is brought to the boil in brewing, and depending on which ethnic background you come from you could be adding sugar while the coffee is being brewed, and possibly some spices. Therefore does it matter, is it significant, does it lessen the experience or quality of the "turkish" brew if the grinds were heated?

    By "would" in the quoted section above, do you mean that using a spinning propeller / blade "grinder"* actually does produce appreciable heat, OR are you simply surmising that it "would" / "could" / "might" in view of the things you sometimes read in these forums which are mostly relating to espresso and are therefore specific to a different purpose?

    Actually I think the spinning prop idea when used for this purpose is a fantastic idea. These "grinders" are cheap and common enough....do they produce any more or less heat than purpose made deli grinders that are sold to actually grind "turkish"!!!!!????? Is the "powder" they produce actually fine enough to get a reasonable result?

    As a very wise man once said in answer to someone posing a question........You Try..............!

    Ill see if I dig out an old spinning prop grinder and will give it a whirl "in house" here tomorrow and see what happens* ;)

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Hi Attilio,
    there are one or two among your questions I can actually answer ;)

    Yes, the coffee powder in the blade grinder did get hot, I meant "would" as the past tense of "will". The main reason we dont own this kind of grinder anymore was that it produces really uneven grinds for anything other than Turkish (when it comes to making powder there isnt much room left for variation). It turns out that our KitchenAid grinder is only slightly better in that regard (it was mostly chosen based on looks and impressive heft and quality). Its also incapable of grinding anywhere near fine enough even for espresso. Hence Im on the lookout for something better again…

    Regarding whether or not heat harms ground coffee - I dont really know but I suppose that it would, by making those volatiles disappear real fast. It should be very easy to conduct an experiment proving or disproving this assumption, for now Ill defer to the collective wisdom of these forums ;)

    The reason I brought up this thread was that I was going to buy a new grinder and I really would have liked it to be suitable for Turkish as well. Since none of the grinder threads and reviews I found in these forums addressed this particular detail I thought Id ask directly.

    I know now that Im going to need some specialised hardware for this, and went ahead and ordered a BCG800 for all my other grinding needs* :)

    Cheers
    Steffen.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Hello Steffen.

    thanks for clarifying.

    Have you tried Mark at Coffee Roasters Australia (sponsors to the left<<<<<<) to see if he brings anything in from Turkey that might suit? But dont forget any grinder will generate a lot of heat for turkish style....therefore the spinning prop (if it can produce a result fine enough that it does work properly) may be no worse than a purpose grinder in this regard, and at way less cost for small volume household use.....?

    Food for thought..

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 132730263D0A163A33333030550 link=1301273147/14#14 date=1301520009
    Have you tried Mark at Coffee Roasters Australia (sponsors to the left<<<<<<) to see if he brings anything in from Turkey that might suit? ....
    Rgdz,
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    There are all of these: http://www.coffeeroasters.com.au/products-coffee-turkish-grinders.php but Id think youd be looking well into the top end Mazzer type of price point.

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    turkish grinders ive seen look like regular grinders, however they use grinding stones instead of burrs. get the turkish translation of "coffee grinder" and try some turkish companies and then try and find out if anyone here imports them.

    Or you could just switch to espresso, turkish coffee is terrible i cant stand the stuff :P ;D

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Or just buy the coffee pre-ground in a can from me...the genuine article, "Kurukahveci Mehmet Efendi Turkish Coffee".

    This company are probably responsible for selling the first commercially roasted as well as pre-ground coffee (around 1871).

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 520D150308030F060605050D010E600 link=1301273147/15#15 date=1301520234
    There are all of these: http://www.coffeeroasters.com.au/products-coffee-turkish-grinders.php but Id think youd be looking well into the top end Mazzer type of price point.
    Wow!

    Youve just gotta love that "HGCD 20" beauty though - Looks fabulous.... 8-)

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B46424E432F0 link=1301273147/18#18 date=1301556743
    Youve just gotta love that "HGCD 20" beauty though - Looks fabulous....

    Mal.
    It does look wonderful. I cant help but notice how much it looks like a bench grinder. Hmmm....

    Also, I know this will get removed as soon as any mods see it (and the irony is, Im replying to a mod....) but I just have to post this Flour Mill...

    Its for flour, but would do the job. Child labour ftw :)

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    Re: Good Turkish grinder for under $700

    Quote Originally Posted by 18273E37210D00520 link=1301273147/10#10 date=1301309773
    Not sure of your location but the South Melbourne market has a stall selling Turkish hand grinders similar to the picture
    I actually got a hand Grinder like the one you attached as an image.

    Initial test, it is good but. I dont think getting a grind as per pre-ground pre-packed Greek/Turkish coffee is possible.



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