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    New manual conical burr grinder.

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    Due to the commercial nature of this site I wont post a direct link, but an american company has developed a very interesting new grinder that uses commercial 70mm conical burr grinders and basically meets all the things people have been looking for in a high end manual grinder.

    Its called a Pharos Manual grinder and a google search will help you find it.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5C5148505C443D0 link=1301746558/0#0 date=1301746558
    Due to the commercial nature of this site I wont post a direct link, but an american company has developed a very interesting new grinder that uses commercial 70mm conical burr grinders and basically meets all the things people have been looking for in a high end manual grinder.

    Its called a Pharos Manual grinder and a google search will help you find it.
    Yep thats the Orphan Espresso development
    Doug has been working on it for about 4 years

    I will link a photo




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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Price has been announced - US$245

    EDIT - now available for purchase from their website, I have ordered mine.


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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Looking forward to your impressions of this grinder!

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    Wow impressive. Says it will grind from Turkish to plunger. Ive always been wary of grinders (and manufacturers) that claim this huge grinding range, however if Doug states it, its most likely to be so.

    Let us know how it turns out galumay.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    That is one great looking piece of machinery.

    I really want to hear about how it works in practice.

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    Could do with a bit more of a chute for inserting the beans but other than that love the chunky no fuss engineering and at that price a bargain 8-). I need some other bits and pieces from them I cant get in Oz so I guess I need one of these too.

    I think it might solve my decaff soy latte grinder issue too, you want a what ??? then grind your own ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6265616E666C79696E67000 link=1301746558/6#6 date=1301814223
    Could do with a bit more of a chute for inserting the beans
    yep bit like feeding marbles into a chute IMO, still boggled by the aluminum and tooling, such nice bolts, chunky 5 pounder no chance of stripping those threads, must be* a fiitter and turners/engineers* [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif]dream.

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    Yep, given how long these guys have put into designing this, and their intimate understanding of the wishlist of amateur baristas, I am sure it will be an amazing bit of kit.

    I actually like the fact that its just the bare bones and we can customise to suit from there, the main thing is it will work as a single dose, conical burr grinder that has almost no residual coffee to clear - thats always been the biggest drawback with commercial grinders for the serious home user. The time it takes to hand grind will be more than offset by the time saving in not having to brush the grind path clear i reckon.

    Anyway as soon as mine arrives I will post a comprehensive review and photos.

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    Legend galumay [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Thanks for finding this...

    At the current dollar rate and weight it is a no brainer for the armoury ;D

    Our trips to the Hunter are going to be even better 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 333B232934500 link=1301746558/9#9 date=1301826498
    Legend galumay* [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Thanks for finding this...

    At the current dollar rate and weight it is a no brainer for the armoury* ;D

    Our trips to the Hunter are going to be even better* 8-)
    Thats a good point I had not even thought of - the portability factor.

    A hell of a lot easier to pack than the Robur!

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Sorry guys, but I just dont get this one...

    Seems to me that if you travel, you want something light which will do the job satisfactorily for a travel setup such as a little hand grinder to go with an Aeropress.* :-?

    I fail to see the relevance of this except for "audiophiles" etc... Waaaaay too much mucking around to get a cup of coffee.

    Each to his own, but I see this grinderenstein and the Versalab for that matter as a bit of a joke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0E3B36310519353C3C3F3F5A0 link=1301746558/11#11 date=1301877935
    Sorry, but I just dont get this one...
    Apart from the simple maths of a good sized conical burr set for less than the price of a Breville or a Rocky. Low-Zero wastage for home use where it seems around here most are only consuming 2 or 3 shots a day. Low noise and a bit of gentle exercise in the morning ;)

    Certainly not for everyone but for those wanting a quality alternative to the ceramic portables or bang for your buck compared to an electric it makes a lot of sense.

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    Of course there is a market for this....for the Snob who has everything. Eventually I think this might be something that will end up on the collection shelf.

    The vast majority of people balk at an $80 spend on a hand grinder, let alone the price tag of this one. The comparison between this and an electric grinder is an even tougher sell.

    Good luck getting the grinds into the basket. I think theres an after-market accessory opportunity there. I could design a drop dead centre funnel for oh, $150.00. Takers? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04252E2E2933400 link=1301746558/13#13 date=1301880286
    drop dead centre funnel for oh, $150.00. Takers?
    Funnily enough the manufacturers of this grinder already make PF funnels maybe it is part of their evil marketing plot to sell them too ;)

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    Ha ha BF, just when I thought I had my multi million dollar retirement solution, you spoil it for me in moments.

    Guess Ill continue walking to and from work for a while longer. ;D

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Doesnt look like it would be too comfortable to grip when grinding, i guess someone will comment soon enough.

    Im happy with the Grindripper whilst im on the road, comfortable to grip, does the job, price is good.

    Soon as im home the Macap resumes duty.
    Call me lazy but thats what the Macap is for.

    If i want extra exercise at home ill jump on my bike ;)

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    I think that there would be a heck of a market for this in offices.

    Looks like the sort of thing that you could use at your desk and not upset anyone with the noise that an electric grinder produces and probably have less issues with people wanting to use it because its manual.

    Plenty of people spend lots for a set up at home, this is really not outrageously expensive for people to have a fantastic set up in the office coupled with their manual brewer of choice.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 68454C517D4644290 link=1301746558/17#17 date=1301907953
    I think that there would be a heck of a market for this in offices.
    I wont pretend to know what percentage of people who work in offices have their own personal coffee setup. Though I can see how these things could make the paperweight obsolete (or is it already?).

    Looking forward to seeing the you toob.

    Quote Originally Posted by 62464F4F4C4C7662465A4446290 link=1301746558/1#1 date=1301749501
    Doug has been working on it for about 4 years
    Two years ago he was praising the virtues of the Kyocera. ::)


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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 55606D6A5E426E67676464010 link=1301746558/11#11 date=1301877935
    Sorry guys, but I just dont get this one...

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    Will be interesting to see, I got it straight away, for less than $300 i get a grinder that there is no equivalent to unless I spend over $2000 on an electric burr grinder. Moreover there are some distinct advantages for a home user over a $2000 electric grinder, accurate single doses with no retained grinds is the biggest one.

    I suspect grinding will take very little longer than it takes me now to clean the grinds path out of my electric grinder, and I will certainly have less wastage.

    If nothing else it will allow me to check whether I can in fact taste the difference between a big commercial flat burr and a titan grade commercial conical burr.

    Anyway at such a low price I am more than happy to be a guinea pig and see how the grinder performs and what it shortfalls are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6A6C6178606C740D0 link=1301746558/19#19 date=1301963264
    If nothing else it will allow me to check whether I can in fact taste the difference between a big commercial flat burr and a titan grade commercial conical burr.
    You should have ordered the gas kit with the Izzo and gone totally off the electric grid* ;)

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4A4C4158404C542D0 link=1301746558/19#19 date=1301963264
    Anyway at such a low price I am more than happy to be a guinea pig and see how the grinder performs and what it shortfalls are.
    It certainly looks interesting, but from the pictures I found I cant figure how you get the coffee in and out of the damn thing? Can the Pharos be seen in action anywhere?

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Same here would love to see this little beast in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1B3C2D2E2E2D26480 link=1301746558/22#22 date=1301988029
    I cant figure how you get the coffee in and out of the damn thing?
    Iím glad you asked the question because Iíve been too embarrassed to ask.* Perhaps that black cylinder on the bottom half slides out like a draw?* Thereís also a notch in it which would potentially allow you to put the group handle in and grind directly into the basket?

    Like you, I would like to see it in action.

    Otherwise I love the look and engineering of it.* Donít think Iíd be buying one myself even though I love my coffee toys.* Itís obviously only going to appeal to a niche market but considering the popularity of that particular website Iím sure theyíll be selling to ultra coffeesnobs worldwide.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D7A6B68686B600E0 link=1301746558/22#22 date=1301988029
    I cant figure how you get the coffee in and out of the damn thing? Can the Pharos be seen in action anywhere?

    Cheers
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    Thinking logically
    I believe that black thing under the burrs is a removable canister

    I would think that videos will be available soon on you-tube

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    I really dont understand the excitement over this thing....

    It looks like something I might have made during my second year machining class. Despite what several contributors have mentioned above, it just doesnt tick any practicality boxes for me at all and is only slightly interesting as an exercise... :-?

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Caffeine Junky wrote "....Itís obviously only going to appeal to a niche market....Iím sure theyíll be selling to ultra coffeesnobs worldwide..." end of quote!

    Yes, and no!

    I believe you can be a coffeesnob in the context of being interested in furthering the cause of quality in coffee, without also having to be an "UberCoffeeEQUIPMENT-O-Phile" (CoffeeEquipmentSnob?) ;D

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Getting it in doesnt look to be a problem to me, getting it out may be, I would have to wait for a video and see how well one can get the end result out. I already use a 60s hand grinder for Aeropress and since Im not running a cafe here just a few a day for personal use hand grinding for espresso is OK for me. I like it, just have to wait a bit to see how practical it is in use.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Video of the grinder in use and grind adjustments. Got to love Dougs ZZ top beard* 8-)

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNRX8NG0sk&feature=player_detailpage[/media]

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    Meh,

    Too big and heavy to travel with and even more [s]dicking[/s] mucking around than I imagined it might require.... Stoopid ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 182D2027130F232A2A29294C0 link=1301746558/30#30 date=1302417300
    Meh,

    Too big and heavy to travel with

    Couldnt agree more. Interest disappeared approximately 5 seconds into the video

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    No one ever said it was a travel grinder ::) . The burrsets in this one alone will weigh more than any of my other travel grinders I reckon ;)

    The bottom end is disappointing to remove the grinds and is certainly less than ideal. Time for version 2 or user mods.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E494D424A405545424B2C0 link=1301746558/32#32 date=1302418003
    No one ever said it was a travel grinder
    Quote Originally Posted by 3C3A372E363A225B0 link=1301746558/10#10 date=1301834261
    Thats a good point I had not even thought of - the portability factor.

    A hell of a lot easier to pack than the Robur!
    Some thought it may be bf* :-?

    For me its one of those process v outcome things again. You clean your grinder often, and any buildup around the burrs has at least a chance of being mobile.

    Coffee is the least expensive component in the equation, so Id think that most people can afford to pulse a shot through the grinder if neccessary and bin it before you grind for your own shot. I reckon if your palate and technique are so good that you can pick the difference and attribute it solely to buildup around the burrs, you will win any cup tasting comp youd like to enter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58797272756F1C0 link=1301746558/13#13 date=1301880286
    [s]Eventually[/s] I think this might be something that will end up on the collection shelf.
    Sooner rather than later.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Does it ship with a complimentary dinner plate? :-? ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 57626F685C406C65656666030 link=1301746558/35#35 date=1302423479
    Does it ship with a complimentary dinner plate?
    To throw across the room when you get angry with it? No coffee is worth that much effort.

    Cant wait to see galumay weigh back in on this thread.....I had a laugh

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B435B514C280 link=1301746558/31#31 date=1302417475
    Interest disappeared approximately 5 seconds into the video
    Oooh I dont know - certain amount of tension built up before it became clear the end of his beard wasnt going to get caught up in the works! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 616F7F6E6079697F0C0 link=1301746558/37#37 date=1302423771
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B435B514C280 link=1301746558/31#31 date=1302417475
    Interest disappeared approximately 5 seconds into the video
    Oooh I dont know - certain amount of tension built up before it became clear the end of his beard wasnt going to get caught up in the works! ;D
    Very funny! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 555B4B5A544D5D4B380 link=1301746558/37#37 date=1302423771
    Quote Originally Posted by 4B435B514C280 link=1301746558/31#31 date=1302417475
    Interest disappeared approximately 5 seconds into the video
    Oooh I dont know - certain amount of tension built up before it became clear the end of his beard wasnt going to get caught up in the works! ;D

    Might have to watch further just for that...

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    Cant wait for the next episode!! Dropped off to sleep half a minute in despite being caffeined up to the eyeballs! Please let me know if I missed out on the invention of the century. :-[

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55606D6A5E426E67676464010 link=1301746558/33#33 date=1302418797
    Coffee is the least expensive component in the equation, so Id think that most people can afford to pulse a shot through the grinder if neccessary and bin it before you grind for your own shot.
    Currently doing that with the K10 at work, as it holds around 8-10g in the chute. Works out at around 7-8kg of wasted coffee a year at 2-3 per day so it is a chunk of lost $$ to consider.

    Knocking out the grinder to the degree Doug was doing seems OTT, my hand grinders get a tap on the side at most and the very occasional proper clean. As you mention so little flavour distortion from the minuscule left over grinds.

    Still think it represents value for money for those on a tight budget and cant run to a $1-2000+ grinder to compete on quality. Am I buying one - maybe* :-/

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    It really does need a better way of emptying the grounds!
    A neater filler would be an advantage too.

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    Does it come with a reflex hammer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 417463615169746B676A62060 link=1301746558/42#42 date=1302516055
    A neater filler would be an advantage too.
    Quote Originally Posted by 426368686F75060 link=1301746558/13#13 date=1301880286
    Good luck getting the grinds into the basket. I think theres an after-market accessory opportunity there. I could design a drop dead centre funnel for oh, $150.00. Takers? Wink
    I must have had a premonition. Maybe Im still in with a design opportunity. Would I have to have my funnel design reviewed? ::)


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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    I have discovered I am the lucky recipient of Pharos #001, i can see loads of potential for customising the bean delivery and the grinds discharge.

    Cannibalising an old grinder for its doser and mounting it under the Pharos is one concept that might work.

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    I love my coffee gadgets but after watching that video I have no interest in owning one of these grinders. Way too fiddly.

    As mentioned its not really practical as a travel grinder and why bother using it at home when you can get yourself a decent electric grinder for similar money?


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    what a joke!

    why didnt they just add a draw for the grinds and make the handle a little higher to add a small spout :S

    only the biggest coffee nerd with the biggest coffee nerd beard would use this cumbersome thing.

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    While I do admire the attempt to incorporate 70mm conical burrs into a hand grinder the whole thing just smacks of April Fools... it was like watching Cheech and Chong make coffee

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 45444E5D43465C2F0 link=1301746558/45#45 date=1302529748

    As mentioned its not really practical as a travel grinder and why bother using it at home when you can get yourself a decent electric grinder for similar money?
    The cheapest electric grinder with a commercial, conical burr, grinder set is over $2000 and has problems with retained grinds in the grind path that are an issue for small volume home users.

    The beauty of the Pharos is that as a home user you get access to the very best quality grinding at a fraction of the cost otherwise available, and you get a clean grind path every grind.

    I dont think the video does it justice, Doug clearly rushed it to something on the web to satisfy all the people calling for a video of it in use.

    I think the best thing about it is that its so cheap, for about $250 you get to try out something that people have been talking about for years, a double bearing hand grinder with a commercial conical burr set. I suspect we will see a lot of user customisation that will resolve some of the perceived issues that people have raised. At the end of the day its an engineering prototype that will only interest a small group of enthusiasts - its not the holy grail of grinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5B51425C5943300 link=1301746558/45#45 date=1302529748
    when you can get yourself a decent electric grinder for similar money?
    Yeah that would be a Breville care to compare finished grind quality before or after the shim kit to make it get down to Espresso grind ;D As stated above this grinder for all of its quirks will give $1k+ electric performance. For example it would run rings around your 2 grinders for a lot less $$!

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    Re: New manual conical burr grinder.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E292D222A203525222B4C0 link=1301746558/49#49 date=1302572196
    As stated above this grinder for all of its quirks will give $1k+ electric performance.
    Might be stated but Id like to see some evidence.

    Anyone? Anyone?



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