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    Compak K3 Push

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi has anyone seen or experienced the new K3 Push. I am very close to purchasing just wanted to get some feed back 1st. Would love to hear your thoughts everyone. ;)

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    Re: Compak K3 Push

    What do you mean by new? Is there a new model variant being released?

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    Re: Compak K3 Push

    Quote Originally Posted by 21273B25203F23224C0 link=1335749554/1#1 date=1335751214
    What do you mean by new? Is there a new model variant being released?
    New = released in the last 6 months. It is the new model ;)

    coffeescotttaste- try a quick search >>>^^^ on K3P or K3 Push and you will dig up some other threads.

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    Re: Compak K3 Push

    Nice grinders and very good value. You can take a look at our showroom. I know we definitely have both the platinum and polished aluminium K3Ts in the showroom, not sure about the black K3T P they could be out the back or awaiting stock.

    They are all identical looking except for the colour.

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    Re: Compak K3 Push

    I have the touch myself, essentially it is identical to the push apart from the timed switch

    Grind retention is minimal, Its a solid machine, Im able to adjust the grind very smoothly,

    Cleanup is a breeze, the little spout is spring loaded, so just gotta flick it and most of the ground coffee falls out, Just suck up the rest of the grounds from the neck with the vacuum cleaner every now and then.

    The only issue I have is that its difficult to grind directly into my group handle, but thats easilly gotten around by using a small metal canister for the purpose.

    Oh, and occasionally beans get caught in between the grind plate and the drive-shaft nut, but thats not really a major problem 8-)

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    Re: Compak K3 Push

    Im looking to replace a BCG800 that was giving me trouble.

    Is the K3p a neat grinder?

    My fav points re the Breville are:
    1. doesnt trap grinds or result in wastage.
    2. No mess/doesnt need as regular cleaning as some others
    3. I can grind into a small glass hands free on timer and then dump into my pf.

    Im looking for these features in a replacement.

    What do people suggest?

    for info the reason I returned my BCG800 was it was the 2nd I received that was showing metal-metal damage on the upper bur (and no I didnt have it too fine :P). I have another that is great but 2 attempts to get another one without this issue has frustrated me a bit.
    It seemed to struggle grinding and both made an obvious different high pitch noise to the 1 working BCG I own.

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    Re: Compak K3 Push

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D47524F42494E53200 link=1335749554/5#5 date=1341112852
    Im looking to replace a BCG800 that was giving me trouble.

    Is the K3p a neat grinder?

    My fav points re the Breville are:
    1. doesnt trap grinds or result in wastage.
    2. No mess/doesnt need as regular cleaning as some others
    3. I can grind into a small glass hands free on timer and then dump into my pf.
    Im pretty sure the K3 push doesnt have a timed grind option, so youd need to to go for the otherwise identical K3 touch. There is some grind retention, but not a huge amount (1-2g?). How messy it is probably depends on your dosing method (I dont make much mess, but SWMBO manages to). See also:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1340608286/2

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    First run of my new K3P today.
    Took me 250g beans to get a shot that i was completely happy with, took me ages just to get in the ballpark having never used one before.
    Its solid, easy to use and adjust once the optimal adjustment area has been found. Its much quieter than I thought it would be to.
    Coming from a porlex hand grinder......the gap is large. 2 - 3min to grind my 18g now about 20sec.
    So much more depth and clarity, preservation of flavour and aroma.
    Going to have adjust my roasting slightly.

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    I have to agree Steve it made me take a look at how i roast. Before getting a K3 i owned a smart grinder. I wont say it hide the flaws in my roasts, but i have noticed that the K3 seems to highlight more characteristics. In terms showing flaws i have in it..

    Chris

    Ps it took me a while to dial mine in also, lucky i roast my own

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    Is it possible to mod a K3T to a K3P? Does anyone in Sydney do it?

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    You don't need to mod a K3T to a push as it has a 2 modes with it's power switch, either with the time or without, I don't even use the timed feature on mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roz View Post
    You don't need to mod a K3T to a push as it has a 2 modes with it's power switch, either with the time or without, I don't even use the timed feature on mine.
    Yep, that's correct, if the grinder is a normal 'Compak' badged K3T, sold in Australia. I'm pretty sure that the re-badged ones sold under different names (e.g. Wega) have the manual function, but starting/stopping grinding has to be operated via the toggle switch (not by pushing the portafilter agains the tongue). Similiarly, overseas variants of the K3T also seem to require the use of the toggle switch to start/stop grinding. I'm sure someone will correct me if I got the wrong end of the stick.

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    I would be happy with a toggle switch on my K3T instead of or as well as the push tongue, it does not fill the portafilter evenly and tends to spill grinds over the back of the portafilter, I taped a small packer to the tongue of mine so the portafilter sits about 10mm out from the push tongue. If you have a Breville Smart Grinder and you change to a K3T you will notice it is a bit messier than the Breville

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    I find that the Orphan Espresso dosing funnel (about $25) has eliminated basically all spillage from my K3T (always used in manual mode). Talk Coffee also sells a flashier version of the dosing funnel (the 'coffee catcher' or similar), which also seems to do the trick.

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    CS member Yelta is currently doing a review of OE v Catcha. I'll be very keen to hear how he goes as I am yet to see the OE version.

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    Does anyone in OZ sell the OE dosing funnel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonym1 View Post
    Does anyone in OZ sell the OE dosing funnel?
    No, Ha, could not post a simple no, message too short, please enter at least 10 characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Yep, that's correct, if the grinder is a normal 'Compak' badged K3T, sold in Australia. I'm pretty sure that the re-badged ones sold under different names (e.g. Wega) have the manual function, but starting/stopping grinding has to be operated via the toggle switch (not by pushing the portafilter agains the tongue). Similiarly, overseas variants of the K3T also seem to require the use of the toggle switch to start/stop grinding. I'm sure someone will correct me if I got the wrong end of the stick.
    The manual function via the toggle switch instead of the "silver tongue" is how the Wega mini-instant 5.8 operates. Essentialy the same machine as the K3T except for this variation I believe. The burrs are even still left stamped as Compak.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaughingAtFate View Post
    Grind retention is minimal,
    There is some retention of grinds in the upper metal spout which I discovered recently by shining a torch up there. When you clean them out totally they are replaced on the following use. They aren't displaced by flicking the spring loaded plastic chute either. Next time I pull the front cover off I'll have a closer look. To me it seems like that part of the spout is part of the casting of the grind chamber body. The bottom is horizontal and the top of the small spout seems to angle upwards. It is almost like its the reverse of what it should be with the little metal spout angling down towards the plastic chute. No big deal in the big scheme of things but a little blemish.

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    Yeah, I've got one of the Wega 5.8's. The manual toggle is a bit of a chore, that's why I asked about a possible mod. With regards to what CafeLotta mentioned regarding the grind retention, I just stick my finger in the chute and grab what's there before I grind. Also a bit annoying, but it takes 3 seconds and prevents a dodgy pour

    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    The manual function via the toggle switch instead of the "silver tongue" is how the Wega mini-instant 5.8 operates. Essentialy the same machine as the K3T except for this variation I believe. The burrs are even still left stamped as Compak.



    There is some retention of grinds in the upper metal spout which I discovered recently by shining a torch up there. When you clean them out totally they are replaced on the following use. They aren't displaced by flicking the spring loaded plastic chute either. Next time I pull the front cover off I'll have a closer look. To me it seems like that part of the spout is part of the casting of the grind chamber body. The bottom is horizontal and the top of the small spout seems to angle upwards. It is almost like its the reverse of what it should be with the little metal spout angling down towards the plastic chute. No big deal in the big scheme of things but a little blemish.

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    I use a cheap skewer on the non sharp side and move it around, that gets out most of the retention in the chute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roz View Post
    I use a cheap skewer on the non sharp side and move it around, that gets out most of the retention in the chute
    In the big scheme of things, the small amount of retained grinds don't seem to make much (if any) difference to the quality of the brew. When doing a weekly clean I'll use a blunt end wooden chopstick and a long bristled grinder brush to fully clean that area. Another option is just to give the grinder a quick pulse with the toggle before grinding. The retained grinds can be dropped into a container before doing a fresh grind. I personally haven't found it neccessary though.

    This small design quirk had me wondering though and I wouldn't be surprised if the mould maker for the grind chamber casting might have read that part of the drawing incorrectly. If inverted, the metal spout would then have a downward angle on the bottom and the top would be flat, not vice versa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonC View Post
    Yeah, I've got one of the Wega 5.8's. The manual toggle is a bit of a chore, that's why I asked about a possible mod. With regards to what CafeLotta mentioned regarding the grind retention, I just stick my finger in the chute and grab what's there before I grind. Also a bit annoying, but it takes 3 seconds and prevents a dodgy pour
    Having to use the manual toggle on the Wega may not be such a bad thing if you read a couple comments made by people with the genuine Compak badged grinder. One or two have said that in manual mode with the portafilter held against the "Silver tongue", grinds tend to spill over the back at times. With the Wega toggle used for manual mode, the portafilter can be freely moved around and rotated to achieve an even distribution, centred in the filter basket. Neither here nor there really. Both do the job with minor variations in operation.

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    Guess that is the beauty of the touch. Being able to just tap the silver tongue and then being able to freely move the handle around to evenly fill.

    I don't know of many owners who actually use the timer function of their K3T though.

    I'm waiting for my K3P to arrive in the mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Having to use the manual toggle on the Wega may not be such a bad thing if you read a couple comments made by people with the genuine Compak badged grinder. One or two have said that in manual mode with the portafilter held against the "Silver tongue", grinds tend to spill over the back at times. With the Wega toggle used for manual mode, the portafilter can be freely moved around and rotated to achieve an even distribution, centred in the filter basket. Neither here nor there really. Both do the job with minor variations in operation.
    Others may differ, but any spillage I get from the K3T doesn't seem to be related to having to depress the silver tongue. There's no problem moving the portafilter around while this is happening. I guess maybe different machines naturally shoot the grinds out at slightly diff angles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nabsie View Post
    Guess that is the beauty of the touch. Being able to just tap the silver tongue and then being able to freely move the handle around to evenly fill.

    I don't know of many owners who actually use the timer function of their K3T though.

    I'm waiting for my K3P to arrive in the mail.
    While you can move the portafilter around you cannot move it backwards which is where the spillage is at its worst. When you move it backwards it looses contact with the tongue and the grinder stops. I have had mine for about two weeks and am still having trouble getting a good cup of coffee, either chokes the machine or gushes through the portafilter in about 10 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonym1 View Post
    , either chokes the machine or gushes through the portafilter in about 10 seconds.
    A very small incremental change will take you from too fine to too coarse on this grinder. To save wasting beans, check your grinds using the pinch test. Grind a small amount into a container on your current setting and take a decent pinch with your thumb and forefinger and squeeze. When you seperate your fingers look at whether the grinds

    1/. Come apart as individual grains with no signs of clumping together. Coarse looking grains.

    2/. Partially come apart with signs of some clumping. Fine grains but not powderlike.

    3/. Mostly stay together and you see a fingerprint. Grind looks more like powder.

    Your aiming for 2/. as a starting point. If you're at 1/. adjust finer by 1 dot on the scale until your getting 3/., then coarser by 1/2 a dot on the scale. You can fine tune after that.

    The other thing that may be happening is that you're not packing the filter basket correctly and you may be getting channeling. If your grinding directly into the basket, fill until it peaks and is about to overflow. Give it a tap on the bench. Top it up with grinds. Sweep your finger or a straight edge front to back, left to right until you fill the voids around the edges of the basket. Try not to press down too much while doing this. More of a sweep action. Once the filter basket is evenly filled, tamp straight down in a smooth motion. No need to put your weight behind it. 15kg tamping pressure is usually suggested. Use a set of scales to help you get an idea of how much you need to press down to achieve this. Work on this process and make small adjustments in your grind to suit.
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    Good write up CafeLotta. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonym1 View Post
    While you can move the portafilter around you cannot move it backwards which is where the spillage is at its worst. When you move it backwards it looses contact with the tongue and the grinder stops. I have had mine for about two weeks and am still having trouble getting a good cup of coffee, either chokes the machine or gushes through the portafilter in about 10 seconds.
    In addition to CafeLotta's advice........How confident are you that you are dosing the filter basket to a 'correct' level, and doing so consistently? If your dosing level is varying, and then you keep adjusting the grind to change the flow rate, you will keep 'chasing your tail'. If the comparison is any way meaningful across individual machines, my K3 is usually set up with the steel 'button' on the collar positioned such that it is lined up pretty much in the middle of the chute, or a few degrees either side. Might help you with a starting point, but YMMV.
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    I found that the most accurate way to adjust grind settings on the K3 / Wega version was to use the vertical edge of the plastic collar as your pointer and read the setting that aligns with it. As the numbers don't really relate to anything other than giving you a point of reference to return to, it doesn't really matter where you take your reading. The important thing is being able to accurately return to a desired setting.



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    BOS comment makes a very important point. Correctly filling the filter basket with consistency is one of the main keys to getting it right. Underfilling will give you channeling and quick pours.
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    I'd like to thank everyone for the info/help, I am pretty sure the basket is filled correctly as I use the same technique as when I had my Smart Grinder set up. I think I am getting nearer to correct, I also found that I got to a point where the grinder would not pull the beans down into the burs if I adjusted to fine andI was using a lot of tamp pressure but have eased off a heap, now I just use my hand pressure and slowly moved the grind finer and have been getting some good pours in the last couple of days and have also found the correct way to fill the portafilter without much spillage, so gradually getting to like the K3

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    A heads up for all members on our Compak special deals- see our sponsor area for further info.
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    Great deal!!

    If only I didn't already have one.

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    Compak K3P for $399! Haven't seen them for such a low price before so could be worth a serious look if you're in the market for a decent grinder at a great price.

    The deal is currently listed in the Sponsor section by site sponsor Talk Coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CafeLotta View Post
    Compak K3P for $399! Haven't seen them for such a low price before so could be worth a serious look if you're in the market for a decent grinder at a great price.

    The deal is currently listed in the Sponsor section by site sponsor Talk Coffee.
    Thanks for the plug CafeLotta,

    This is a one off and they're selling fast.

    Once they're gone, they're gone!

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    I have the touch model and just can't seem to successfully use the touch function without grinds flowing outside the basket. Sometimes when moving the portafilter around to prevent overflow I've hit the tongue a second time thereby causing substantial mess (not to mention valuable beans lost!). Consequentially I only ever use the grind on demand push function. This works fine and if i had my time again I'd just buy the push. With that in mind it makes the deal from Talk Coffee at the moment well worth considering.

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    I am not a fan of the timer function on the K3T either. I use it as a push if I do.

    I think the push offers incredible bang for buck.

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    Compak K3 Push

    From a beginners perspective...about a month into using it.

    This is my first real grinder and it is a treat to use. Very consistent grinds in that once set it will go through a 500g bag over a week or two and produce the same looking grind from start to finish. I make 2-5 cups a day and can't see that I would need a timer or measure function. With the same grind consistency you can quite easily eyeball the amounts with reasonable accuracy. I set mine so I get slightly clumpy grinds and that is giving me a good extraction time.

    The small hopper on top is ideal for home use and height wise means it is about the same height as an espresso machine. I've got no real reference against other machines so couldn't compare but this one does everything I need it to do.

    Wish I could have got mine at this price!

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    Agree with you Ashes. Just bought my K3 Push a week ago, and am very happy with it. Upgraded from an old Gaggia MDF. Seems to produce a very consistent grind quality. Saved $50 over the Touch, since everyone seems to think timing the grind isn't an accurate way of dosing. Like you I wish I had bought it as those prices.

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    Red face

    I just got one, thank you, Chris, and managed to get myself into trouble, even before using it.

    Got it home, and the first thing I did (after washing and drying the hopper) was to upend my old grinder into the new hopper and placing the hopper on the machine. I LOVE the fact that the hopper is removable!
    I then started reading the manual. Having seen the video from SCG Crew Review: Compak K3 Touch - YouTube which, I am now told, is of an old version. However there is a bit at 34 sec. that talks about a screw at the back that you tighten (not too much! ) to keep the hopper in place. I would have thought that perhaps that is no longer there on the new version, however the manual also talks about a safety screw, except it says to tighten it with an Allen key. My problem is, I can't find the screw, nor any hole where a screw would seem to be missing. So, I am scared to proceed any further, in case I do some damage. I have taken some photos https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vkupek5aogcdvfy/jpQTv5c9yV hoping that one of you could point me to where the safety screw goes. I double checked the box it came in, definitely nothing left in it. I don't know anyone close by that I could ask to pop in and have a look what I'm missing, so I am stuck. That will teach me to move to the end of the world!

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    I'm 99.9% sure that the 'screw' to which you refer is not used in the Aus version. Certainly is not on mine, and is not on other K3s that I've seen in the flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csutak40 View Post
    I just got one, thank you, Chris, and managed to get myself into trouble, even before using it.
    Check your email csutak40. Always best to allow me a 30 seconds to respond!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    I'm 99.9% sure that the 'screw' to which you refer is not used in the Aus version. Certainly is not on mine, and is not on other K3s that I've seen in the flesh.
    You're on the money Barry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Check your email csutak40. Always best to allow me a 30 seconds to respond!



    You're on the money Barry.
    Thank you both. I wasn't expecting you to respond, thought someone else may, saving you the trouble



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