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    Step down from Rocky

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    Hey Guys,

    I have an EM0480 which is OK for espresso, but only 24 settings is a massive limmitation.
    The Rocky looks awesome, but is over twice the price of an EM0480.
    Does anyone know what grinder would be inbetween, or is there nothing else inbetween worth buying?

    People seem to be raving about this BCG800 but it looks like it would give me a very similar grind to the EM0480 it just has a fancy screen and is more automated which doesnt intrest me. the BCG800 still only has 25 settings.

    (I know I could probably spend a few hours reseaching, and I am just adding to the grinder question spam, but meh)

    Thanks

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 350B0E090B620 link=1336013228/0#0 date=1336013228
    Hey Guys,

    I have an EM0480 which is OK for espresso, but only 24 settings is a massive limmitation.
    The Rocky looks awesome, but is over twice the price of an EM0480.
    Does anyone know what grinder would be inbetween, or is there nothing else inbetween worth buying?

    People seem to be raving about this BCG800 but it looks like it would give me a very similar grind to the EM0480 it just has a fancy screen and is more automated which doesnt intrest me. the BCG800 still only has 25 settings.

    (I know I could probably spend a few hours reseaching, and I am just adding to the grinder question spam, but meh)

    Thanks
    I doubt it would take a few hours to determine this. But, it wont take me much longer to write it anyway... So.

    Since the Breville smart, the Rocky is kinda believed to be overpriced. They both produce similar grind quality, BSG possibly a better grinder? But the Breville is definitely a significant improvement over the 480.

    On an upgrade path, Id recommend the breville, unless you can afford something like a compak K3...

    HTH.

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B757077751C0 link=1336013228/0#0 date=1336013228
    the BCG800 still only has 25 settings.
    The BCG800 has about three clicks of the adjustment knob per notch on the screen, so there is some quite fine adjustment there.
    Cant comment as to how it compares to the Rocky and my only experience with actual out-of-the-box (not counting shims) espresso capable grinders are this and the Super Jolly (which, not counting some time with a trainer a couple of months ago, Ive had now for 23hours...* Thanks coffeesnobs for all the upgrade enabling threads ::)).

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    ditto on what David8 said ;)

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Ok, thanks a lot guys :)

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Quote: ".......Since the Brevile smart, the Rocky is kinda believed to be overpriced....."

    This is a very interesting comment. Yes its true thats what some people say in these forums......

    However there is a lot of other stuff going on in peoples minds about the relative price or perceived value of all things coffee equipment and everyone is looking for a bargain.

    What I would like to state simply, is the rocky is a simple, well engineered, long lived and reliable piece of quality equipment. Its a KISS grinder or if you prefer, a proverbial brick scheet house.

    Its the kind of grinder that WILL still be around if treated well for atleast a decade after the original purchase if not much much more.

    Will the brevile offering still be around then under conditions of similar use and owner care?

    And why is the rocky considered "overpriced"?* Its made in Europe and has almost a zero breakdown rate. Its price (at whatever you can get it for) divided by say 15 years = ?????? How does the other one fare?

    Just some thoughts.

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C485F49526579555C5C5F5F3A0 link=1336013228/5#5 date=1336029994
    Quote: ".......Since the Brevile smart, the Rocky is kinda believed to be overpriced....."

    This is a very interesting comment. Yes its true thats what some people say in these forums......

    However there is a lot of other stuff going on in peoples minds about the relative price or perceived value of all things coffee equipment and everyone is looking for a bargain.

    What I would like to state simply, is the rocky is a simple, well engineered, long lived and reliable piece of quality equipment. Its a KISS grinder or if you prefer, a proverbial brick scheet house.

    Its the kind of grinder that WILL still be around if treated well for atleast a decade after the original purchase if not much much more.

    Will the brevile offering still be around then under conditions of similar use and owner care?

    And why is the rocky considered "overpriced"?* Its made in Europe and has almost a zero breakdown rate. Its price (at whatever you can get it for) divided by say 15 years = ?????? How does the other one fare?

    Just some thoughts.
    This is the kind of answer Im most tempted to believe.
    Just looking on their website, It seems like the BCG800 is all show, too many "features" for the price, and Breville have probably wasted money on these features rather than giving a better stepping system or better burrs.
    But that said, I have never used either, so yeah.

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Mmm. Maybe I mispoke. I should clarify that I havent used either grinder. I was considering the Rocky, before I bought the K3T. I was just passing on comments from other forumers.

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D697E68734458747D7D7E7E1B0 link=1336013228/5#5 date=1336029994
    Will the brevile offering still be around then under conditions of similar use and owner care?
    Without people buying their product we would never know. Someone has to be the guinea pig *squeek squeek*. ;D

    I havent used the rocky but I have read that the steps are a little large. You can mod the grinder to be stepless, just depends if youre comfortable with modding a brand new purchase. Or alternatively change your dosing and tamping to suite.

    I wanted a K3T but they were a little pricey at my time of purchase and the Breville was getting good feedback so I figured if I bought it and didnt like it I could probably move it along without too much money lost.

    The Breville was like night and day difference to my EM0480.

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    The Breville was a big step up for me too when I bought it, and it was the discussion threads on here that helped the decision (plus at the time, it really was the best I could afford - I couldnt spring for the Rocky either).* I guess its always a "risk" when youre buying what is a relatively new to market consumer grade appliance vs something more well known, when trying to determine its likely useful life.* It cost me $330NZD so I figure if I get 3 years then its $110/year.* If 5 then $66/year.* I think you guys get a pretty good deal on this in Australia!

    As others have alluded to the Rocky is likely the more solid device, and the ones Ive seen in stores do look it.* Still, Ive been fairly impressed with the Brevilles build quality and expect it to give me a few years of service yet.
    As nabsie wrote, its had to know exactly how long itll last but I did (and still do) consider it a good investment, even with its wee quirks.

    And for me the stepped adjustment along with the display indicator mean its quick and easy to switch from espresso to other brew methods and back again with minimal wastage, and the convenience of easily being able to grind into a container.* I mightve bought an SJ for my main espresso grind now but Ill keep the Breville for Decaf and pour over / french press etc - and it was adequate as my main espresso grinder too.
    However although it coped well with the demands I placed on it if I were pulling a lot of shots rather than just a couple at a time it could well be another story.* Horses for courses and all that.

    Edit: Particularly not good grammar...

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    Actually David you did not "mispoke".

    You presented a prefect opportunity to clear up a couple of things that have been on my mind for a while ;)

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    Re: Step down from Rocky

    From my perspective, its not that the Breville is a step-down from the Rocky, Its just that the Rocky appears to be a step down from the simarly priced K3-push/touch.

    I know that the Rocky has its fans, and its adherents, However, Having gone Light-Commercial rather then pro-sumer, I dont think I could ever go back.



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