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    Help. New Grinder Required

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi all,

    Advice on a new grinder please.

    Im about to aquire a Expobar Minore Mk IV (thankyou Brent) to replace my aging EM6910 and will need a new grinder to compliment it as I dont think the EM0480 is up to the task.

    I am appealing to those of you who have been down this road before me and can hopefully shorten my journey.

    Im "reasonably" flexiable in my budget, so lets say anywhere from $500-$800. Is that enough?

    Ive looked at all the "usual suspects" on the internet that I can find, i.e. reviews, youtube etc etc and have convinced myself that Id like a doserless model of "whatever" as I only make 2 or 4 cups a day and would only be putting enough beans in the hooper for the required shots.* The mess and waste of dosers doesnt convince me of their value.* But hey, Im totally open to suggestions.

    Mazzer dont do a doserless unless I go for the electronic but its just out of my budget unfortunately, besides the adjustment setting on the Mazzers seems cumberson at best.

    Compak do the K3 Push and Touch but they dont seem to have the same build quality as the Mazzer.

    Must admit I do like the Macap M4 with its worm drive adjustment, but its not doserless and also might be out of my budget.

    So please guys/sponsers, if you have advice now is the time to help a fellow CS out. I plan on purchasing my new grinder very soon as I pick up the Minore on Saturday.

    Many thanks,

    Pete

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Firstly, dont discount doser grinders as messy and wasteful. You can mod the sweepers on the Mazzer to sweep pretty clean, and grinds can get stuck in the chute of doserless grinders. The Macap doser grinders sweep fairly clean.

    Yes, doser grinders can throw the grinds around a bit but I learned to hold the group handle slightly to the left to compensate. You can also add the ring adapters to the group handle to provide a larger catchment area

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    yeah sometimes expensive grinders like a second hand super jolly could show up and should fall within your budget. As what flynn said you can mod your doser to make it less messy. Dont be afraid to stretch your budget to get a good grinder thatll last you for a long time(or forever!) otherwise upgrading it after some time will end up costing you more ;D.

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    When you say "stretch your budget", just how far are we talking and what would you recommend I stretch to on both price and machine?

    I only want to do this once and want to get it right. This is my first venture into really nice gear so I want a grinder that will really compliment the Minore.

    I just assumed it would be simpiler to get a doserless model rather than have to modify a doser?* Remembering Im coming from the low end of town with the EM0480.

    Pete

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    You would probably want to look at grinders such as the mazzer kony. The doserless versions are usually much more expensive than their dosered counterparts. Maybe other CSers with more experience with a larger variety of grinder brands could advise you with this as I have only owned a mazzer major which is sufficient for my personal use in my opinion.

    If youre willing to spend the extra money to get a doserless model then yeah, but if youre a little tight on the budget for the grinder Id suggest use that additional cost to fund a better grinder but with a doser. Im unsure of the costs for a second hand kony, but a major goes for about 800ish. Its good to send a message to sponsers just to see if they have any demo/refurbished models up for sale. Sometimes you could get a really good bargain ;).

    Sometimes I feel that a kony is overkill for me since I only make coffee for myself and my other half at a time. Dont usually have large gatherings of more than 5 people and Ive had no problems so far. But then again I could be wrong because I havent used any of the other high end grinders :D.

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Quote Originally Posted by 033E360D02372637520 link=1338370042/3#3 date=1338380666
    I only want to do this once and want to get it right..... I want a grinder that will really compliment the Minore.

    I just assumed it would be simpiler to get a doserless model
    I think any grinder in the $500 - $1200 range would qualify to meet your needs of matching the Minore. I dont think there is much difference in grind quality; its just a matter of which one you prefer.

    There are a number of variables to consider:
    build quality: metal or plastic?
    dosered vs doserless - already discussed
    size - how much space and height do you have
    noise
    appearance
    speed - how long to grind a double (usually a factor of burr size). This may be important if you are regularly preparing several coffees at a time.
    neatness - dosered tend to throw grinds about a bit more than doserless.
    grind retention (both dosered and doserless have this problem to varying degrees)

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    I am a long time user of the sunbeam 6910 matched with em0480 and have stepped up to a la scala butterfly e61 hx matched with a mazzer super jolly (second hand).

    So in the world of grinders many speak of the k3 touch/push. This is a great start and many many people are happy with it at all levels and fits well into your price range. Otherwise 2nd hand grinders of compact, mazzer or Macap will all fit nicely into your budget without much stretching

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Quote Originally Posted by 63697C6B6B647076050 link=1338370042/5#5 date=1338414721
    Quote Originally Posted by 033E360D02372637520 link=1338370042/3#3 date=1338380666
    I only want to do this once and want to get it right..... I want a grinder that will really compliment the Minore.

    I just assumed it would be simpiler to get a doserless model
    I think any grinder in the $500 - $1200 range would qualify to meet your needs of matching the Minore. I dont think there is much difference in grind quality; its just a matter of which one you prefer.

    There are a number of variables to consider:
    build quality: metal or plastic?
    dosered vs doserless - already discussed
    size - how much space and height do you have
    noise
    appearance
    speed - how long to grind a double (usually a factor of burr size). This may be important if you are regularly preparing several coffees at a time.
    neatness - dosered tend to throw grinds about a bit more than doserless.
    grind retention (both dosered and doserless have this problem to varying degrees)
    Thanks for the advice so far guys its really appreciated.

    I forgot to allow for one very important variable in my decidion making process............ the dreaded "wife factor"!

    The kitchen is her domain, although she affords me my small corner for caffine purposes as she does like her morning and afternoon coffees.*

    I showed her the Kony and Super Jolly pictures on the net and she just shrugged and said "whatever".* Then I (stupidly) showed her a comparison of their height compared to our current EM0480.* Basically she freaked, and her "whatever" turned into a "over my dead body"! (hmm, now theres a thought?).

    I can see her point though, they are just too dominating a presence on the kitchen bench to be practiable for 2-4 coffees a day.*

    I think the most coffees Ive ever made in one go is about 4 and that was hard yakka with the Sunbeam due to its very limited milk steaming capabilities.* Something I know the Minore can handle doing time after time.

    Okay, so heres where I am so far........
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    Mess?* Is a BIG issue as both of us are neat freaks.* So Im leaning heavily towards a doserless model of "whatever" for that reason.
    Size?* Is important too (aparently in the kitchen also:) ) So something no bigger than say a Mazzer Mini, with low hooper.
    Build quality?* Metal or plastic?* Is also very important and Id ideally like nothing less than a machine hand carved from a* solid block of Titanium....okay, lets just say Id like it to be as much metal as possible :)
    Noise?* From what Ive read most machine around the $800 mark are within a few dbs of each other and lets face it, NO grinder is quiet, just some are quieter than others.* This is my most variable consideration.
    Clumping?* Alot of people seem to rate this high on the "annoyance" meter.* Personally, and from what Ive seen on youtube, after a couple of gentle taps on the "tap mat" most clumps dissappear.* So not high on my list.
    Grind retention?* Well Im used to my old Sunbeam and it retains a fair bit and all I do is give it a gentle whack on the side a coupe of times and most of the grinds left in the chute come out.* I clean the burrs and chute out with a brush on a weekly basis so not really a huge issue for me.

    Im pretty sure if Mazzer made a Mini "doserless" it would be the one to go for, although I still dont like the heavy handed approach to adjusting the grind on any of the Mazzers.* The new electronic does look the goods although a tad out of my budget, although if a second hand one up Im sure it would fit perfectly in my budget :)

    Ive discounted the Compaks because they just dont look substaintial enough to me.* Very plasticy and too modern looking I guess.

    I love the the Macaps worm drive stepless adjustments and they seem to be built very well also (although I havent seen one in the flesh, um, metal).

    Sorry Guys Ive just re-read this and its extremely long winded.* I want to fork out my dosh this weekend and get my grinder but it may have to wait until I can get a second hand electronic Mazzer or someone to come up with a new viable alternative.

    Wish me luck because until then I either dont make coffee with my new Minore or have to use my old Sunbeam grinder :(

    Pete

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    I have the breville smart grinder, its small , quiet, and very clean. It replaced a very large cafe grinder the cunhill space.



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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Gees, youre fussy ;)

    The best move would be to go and have a look at some in the flesh.
    There are other grinder options such as the ECM Best or Eureka but I do not know much about these.

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Pete,

    I believe I have something that you will be seriously interested in & need to know about before you make any binding decisions elsewhere.....

    Drop me an email at contact@cosmorexcoffee.com.au

    and I can take a couple of piccies and come back to you by regular e-mail.

    Dont drive yourself round the bend with specs & too much web based "research". KISS is the way to go, and I can help you with that.

    Attilio
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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Chris at Talk Coffee has got a mazzer mini-e for sale if Im not wrong, you could check that out. Seems like exactly what you need!

    edit: yeah hes got a demo one thats going for 1050, only made <15 shots.

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Quote Originally Posted by 67534452497E624E47474444210 link=1338370042/10#10 date=1338429013
    Pete,

    I believe I have something that you will be seriously interested in & need to know about before you make any binding decisions elsewhere.....

    Drop me an email at contact@cosmorexcoffee.com.au

    and I can take a couple of piccies and come back to you by regular e-mail.

    Dont drive yourself round the bend with specs & too much web based "research". KISS is the way to go, and I can help you with that.

    Attilio
    very first CS site sponsor

    Email sent. Look forward to your advice

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Ive got a Mazzer Mini Doser at home. They are easy to use, simple to adjust, no buttons, flashing LEDs, digital screens. You pay for less components that are of a better quality; the motor is built into the solid metal chassis! Its a man-grinder >:( ....just dont use that term when pitching it to the wifey :D

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    Re: Help. New Grinder Required

    Hi all,

    Ended up getting a Mazzer Mini Electronic Type A from one of the site sponsers for a great price which I just couldnt knock back.

    I had a good play with a Mini doser on Saturday and it just confirmed my thoughts that I wanted a doserless machine so when the older type A was offered I jumped.* It arrived today and Ive been a learning curve of machine/grind/tamp etc until I ran out of beans earlier this afternoon.

    To all those who offered advice, and especially to Attilio from Cosmorexcoffee for his guidence, you can sleep easier knowing my grinder quest is over. Although my quest for coffee nivarna has only just begun!

    Pete

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    Well done, Im sure you will love it. :)


    I am a little puzzled though with all your comments re the Compaq - have you actually looked at one? I have the K3T and its built like a brick s**thouse, I couldnt imaging how you could think it was less than substantial? :-?



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