Interesting...........certainly has possibilites. To me it looks more user friendly than the "other monster"
What a monster I suppose it could be described as the "Robur" of hand grinders.
Though not yet in production heres the manufacturers link HG ONE
Interesting...........certainly has possibilites. To me it looks more user friendly than the "other monster"
Looks like a cross between the Pharos and a Versalab.
Have to say Im very very interested!
I think engineering and tolerances would have to be very good with the IB on the end of the shaft the way it is, conicals like precise alignment.
USD850 for the 83mm and USD840 for the 71mm. Using mazzer conical burrs. No details where these are coming from and shipping costs etc. Might be a little early still in prototype stage, but definitely looks very interesting. an expensive alternative to when the kiddies are sleeping perhaps? :) I like the dual handle old school "gattling gun style" crank system :)
As a user of hand grinders it totally misses one of the main ingredients portability and in the case of this one little to zero $ saved and or bench space over a mid to large electric conical. :-/
Sure nice engineering and all that but not anywhere on my shopping list.
Beanflying, which mid-large electric conicals are you talking about that are in the same price range?
You can pick up the Wega 8.6 (Compak K10 clone), for not much more.
I certainly agree the lack of portability is a handicap for a manual grinder.
Its hard to see 3 to 4 times the value of the Pharos in this one, but given the interest over at Home Barista there would seem to be a select sub set of coffee fanatics who will purchase it.
Its biggest market may be those that currently look to the Versalab M3, although this is not powered its a very similar form factor without the alleged issues of the Versalab design.
Either way its great to have another option in the titan conical burr manual grinder class, we have gone from none to 2 in 12 months so that is an interesting development in itself.
By the time you stick the PF holder under it at $1000ish+ Ex USA (because a bowl just wont be cool ::) ) then land it you are getting within striking range if not the same price of some of the cheaper imports such as Eureka etc.
True you wont buy Kony/Robur or K10s for the money but I wasnt saying that either.
Grind retention is often quoted as a issue with the big conicals, not so with the Versalab style.
After reading the HG one thread on HB, it seems the guys wanted a grinder they would be happy to go with their creminas..
Unfortunately something hand made with with exacting workmanship and quality materials was never going to be for the masses, but will probably find a home with people for whom $$$ is not an issue.
I think there are many grinders just as good for far cheaper, that will produce similar if not the same results in the cup... But it is quite speccy :o
I like it, a lot.
So you get a Robur grind quality, in a domestically pleasing package, with ZERO grind retention (Im in love with this) It grinds a double in a similar time to a mazzer mini, and it does not occupy a power point.
I want to see if actually lives up to its potential but I could see myself trading in my Super Jolly for this.
So, who's pulled the trigger on this??
I know at least two are heading to Aust.
I'm hoping it will prove to be as user friendly as it seems. Bring on January !!
I REALLY wanted the 71mm...faster, easier to crank/less wank factor, but in the end I went for the 83mm.
WHY???: At the eleventh hour, the developers told of their testing of both sizes in both high and low humidity, and found the 83mm suffered significantly less static in drier climates... their photos comparing the two were quite revealing, and so being in SA, I went for the wanky 83 for less static.
Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it !!
There is NOTHING wanky about a big burr set.
Actually, that sounds like something a wanker would say... :/
anyone calculated what estimated shipping charges are for this one?
hmm with 850 being the price for the 83mm burrs with shipping is circa $1050
might be able to skip duty charges just if you're lucky :S
The Pharos is portable and has a very good grind quality. MOD it with the Voodoodaddy Mod (on HB) and you have a excellent hand grinder.
The HG ONE is a hand crank versalab IMHO. Now if you motorize it, particularly the large burr version, you will have a heck of a grinder!
my 83mm has landed in sydney and is on its way to my place
83 mm burrs sound really tasty I can see it borrows the Versalab's straight drop into a funnel design minus the moving wiper inside the funnel, and flat burrs, neither of which the HG has.
Although Versalab uses both Connical and Flat burrs, I would have to say the Versalab's connicals create relatively very coarse grinds with then drop down into the primary cutters, which are the flat burrs where the final finer grind gets done.
The HG one looks to me like a great simple huge titan burr (71mm or 83mm to choose from if I am correct) grinder that is easy to crank. The absence of a moving wiper (is the moving wiper a Versalab patent ??) makes grind retention a small problem from what I have been reading, but with the funnel's wide open design cleaning should be a breeze. People have claimed to eliminate the static grind retention issue by adding a drop of water to the grinds.
For those who like the idea of being off the power grid (I do like the concept) and / or don't like loud motors, this is great. I imagine grind retention is much more managable than a with a commercial unit that uses these huge burrs. The price is not cheap but in comparison to commercial units that use huge connical burrs of this type, it is still less expensive in most cases.
Use this in a busy cafe all day every day and you will pay with busted tendons (RSI [repetative stress injury]) but for the home it's probably good exercise in fact from what I read, cranking this is so easy I might be reluctant to even call it exercise.
It lacks portability for sure but it's size, which allows a large crank with lots of leverage, and weight which keeps it firmly planted on the countertop while grinding, is probably what makes this so easy to use (based on personal speculation and users reviews.)
It's not a Versalab so you won't get the combo connical and flat grind flavor profile. It does not have a moving wiper so you won't get near perfect grind distribution right into the portafilter like a Versalab. It does not have a motor so using it in a busy shop is not desireable.
Despite the above, this thing is a great long lasting (it appears to be but time will tell) practical home grinder that should produce spectacular grinds in no time at all with ease. I would love to own one but I am already up to my ears in grinders as far as my usage level is concerned. It is tempting though.
I am glad that people are willing to finally make good quality titan grinders designed to be practical for discriminating home users who have little need for idiotic gimmicks and frills.
It seems this new market consists of hand grinders. You can't get more no frills than that.
As far as ease of use and perhaps even grind quality (HG seems to have the largest conical burrs of them all), my guess would be HG is now on top as far as motorless titans are concerned.
I love it.
So whats the first mod??? I can see it now.. How to motorise my HG.. hahahaha
Haha short of motorising it I don't think there is much modding to do I got mine last week!
The hand crank is pretty effortless but it definately takes a while (seems longer than pharos for example but I'm yet to time it). Grinds are uber fluffy, retention is usually negligible.. I wanted to do some kind of review/comparison but heading abroad today and haven't had enough time to run it in yet.. my initial impression is very positive!
Some pics to keep you going;
Max 5 pics per post? Captions below;
3/ burr chamber
4/ ground retention after 16.0g dose
5/ "tumbler" grinds fall from the grinder into this device
1/ grinds get into PF via "tumbler" (pic 5 above)
2/ shot is quite short as still dialing in new roast!
Perhaps I'm being too serious and missing the joke, but any mention of portability issues, motorising or using this grinder in a commercial situation entirely misses the whole point of the design and borders on the ridiculous. The HG One is a HOME grinder designed to deliver the excellent grind consistency and minimal heat transfer of a large commercial, without the drawbacks of such a machine in a home kitchen. Whilst noise and grind retention are not an issue in a café, they certainly are in my kitchen - I'm still waiting to get my hands on it, but anything is quiet compared to a large grinder motor and initial reviews have reported a 0.1gram retention.
If it does what it says on the box, this grinder is going to be the dog's b@llocks.
I agree somewhat.. motorising would still be a "nice to have" but you'd be looking to add a fair bit to the price tag (in terms of competing products)
As you can see in my pics grind retention is very low.. i did have one or two incidents where there was a fair bit (using decaf wow) but the funnel is only magnetically attached, a quick pull and bump against the tumbler solves it, which is a lot more than I can say for my pharos/SJ/pl53
There's something special about hand grinding coffee. The lack of motor-sound makes it instantly pleasing. Listening to the coffee getting ground up is a delight. I'd love one of these.. too many grinders already. hah
Well it is my fifth including the porlex but I don't use that for espresso... so the count is "2 motorized : 3 hand". How many is too many, can you really ever have too much coffee junk??
Have to admit these uber sophisticated hand grinders put me in mind of state of the art record turntables World's most expensive turntables : Bornrich there are a few geeks with enough cash or the inclination to buy them, however, I suspect most of the perceived improvement over a good electric is in the owners head.
I'm not saying the HG one doesn't do a good job, I'm sure it's an excellent grinder, simply that like the aforementioned turntables (check the link, they are real jaw droppers) they have a very limited market.
Whoa that is some serious bling!
Let's save the "Rocky vs SJ vs Kony" for another day and thread
I want one... too bad I just upgraded to a wega branded k3t. Now to save up and wait for them to be back in stock.
These might also find their way into higher end cafes and roasters as cupping/dialing/training in grinders. Its a big deal to be able to use the same burrs as your main grinder but be able to play around with grind/dose/pressure profile combinations without all the wastage when you make an adjustment.
Are there any Australian suppliers looking at stoking these? I would love to come and have a look.
I think you can only purchase directly from HG-ONE website. I was lucky to have preordered ( 83 mm )last last year early Dec. Arrived 3 weeks ago. Have been playing around and trial dialling different setting.
So far , I do like it very much. No waste, easy to clean up , very nice and fluffy ground coffee.
Last edited by Haymarket; 11th February 2013 at 09:43 PM.
I have been using my HG-One 83mm for over a week and I really like it. Once you figure out that the static grounds retention is solved by the water droplet or spritz out of a mister bottle onto the beans before you drop them into the grinder. By doing that you will have zero grounds retention or clean up.
I have had zero hassle changing the fineness of the grounds to compensate for bean age or type of bean. It is very much like my Versalab in that respect.
The flavor profile that it extracts from the beans is top notch. All the aromas that were not evident in an electric grinder, all hidden inside the grinding chamber and the dispensing chute and now present. The flavors from the grounds are very much like what comes out of a Robur, but better since there is about zero heat generated in grinding the beans. As good or better a taste profile than my Kony.
The 83mm burrs are a wee bit more difficult to turn the crank on than the Pharos I own. Since the burrs are larger I would expect that to be the case. I have not tried the 71mm version of the HG-One but it should be easier just by design/engineering with those smaller burrs.
Nice grinder and I am glad I got it. Kony going up for sale
How many people on here have purchased a HG One?
I've patiently got my wallet ready for when they get the next shipment in, what was the total shipping cost for AUS if someone received one?
Just as an update I ordered the 83mm and used it for a month then ordered the 71mm burrs. I don't notice a big difference in taste but the 71mm is easier to crank and takes less time to grind the same dose of beans. I don't know why, but that is what happens.
Love the grinder and people in the room, a big room, notice the good smells coming from the coffee where before there were no comments.
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Mine was in the last shipment and cost
US$245.50 via DHL Express Worldwide. 7 Days door to door.
Very happy but I'm waiting for my L1 that's hopefully just gone to manufacture before making a real effort to fine tune things.
GST / Duty is only payable when the original cost price is over A$1000. As the cost is US$850 no GST / Duty is payable.
With the L1 it will be a different matter. As the cost price is over $1000 I will have 5% duty on the cost price plus freight , plus 10% GST on the total. On top of that I will have additional customs clearance fees. The L1 costs are clearly stated on their web site and freight to Australia is BP187.37
Similar setup then, I also am keen on replacing my BES900 with an L1, I have wrapped my brains over upgrading to a Quality E61 machine but have held off as the quality the BES900 can put out has been excelent for me, only a Lever will satisfy me as I've always wanted one.
You would of noticed quite a bit of a step up in taste from the BCG800? Has static with the HG One in Tassie present?
I opted for the L1 due to its absolute simplicity and the use of commercial components that I can service myself.
The BCG800 and HG One are very different, I was setting up a new BES900 at the same time so can't really comment on taste. The results are excellent but I probably need to modify my roasts which is why I'm waiting for the L1.
Yes I do have a static issue which I think is mainly due to the fact that I roast my own beans and store them in a zip lock vented bag until use, they are very very dry. I add a drop of water from the end of my finger into the measuring container just before grinding, give it a good shake and have virtually no static issues.
The grounds retention inside the BCG800 were incredible but not obvious.
I think my biggest joy with this grinder will be the amount of coffee I will save, I also home roast and seal them in a one way valve bag but I run nearly a shot through my K3 to clean out the path every time it gets used which can waste a bit of coffee, looking forward to seeing how the taste compares to the K3.
Because I single dose just for myself once a day, a big conical like a Kony would be an absolute waste of time in my kitchen, the HG one is my perfect grinder, April/May couldn't come quick enough
You'll love it Roz
I was going to buy a K10 fresh, but was worried about grind retention, and the weight of the grinder if i have to bump and brush etc, plus it's 3 times the price.
theres none of that with the HG1, i'm in Qld and still get static issues, but a single drop of water on top of the beans that are in a 30ml measuring cup, and the static drops massively.
after grinding I drop the funnel of the HG1 onto the blind tumbler and the last dregs that sit in the funnel drop into the tumbler, tumbler goes onto the PF, lift the little stopper on the tumbler and that's it, no mess, i dont need to distribute or anything. I tried using a shish kebab skewer to redistribute the grind after lifting the stopper but before removing the tumbler, it's very easy, but it didnt really make a difference to the espresso. One thing i love about this grinder is theres zero mess. I bought a 200mm x 150mm tamping mat from baristatools.net it sits perfectly on the base of the grinder to catch any little dregs left on the bottom of the tumbler after dispensing to the PF.
just waiting on my L1 to arrive, i'm getting desperate, my saeco is dying.
So did anyone actually living in Sydney take delivery of one of these beauties??
I've made a 360 degree scale if anyone wants to use it,
you can set zero to be either where the burrs touch, or at an arbitrary point like 1.25 turns from burrs touching
I have higher resolution and adobe illustrator files if you need them
HG 1 scale v2.jpg