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    Can't decide on grinder to accompany Silvia V3

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    Hey guys/gals,

    Decided that with moving to a new place I need a new coffee machine. Currently using a Gaggia something or another bought at Harvey Norman about 8 years ago (Not a classic) and a Sunbeam (I think) cafe series grinder. Sometimes I get decent coffee, most times it runs too fast and too weak. Sometimes without changing anything at all it simply wont pull a shot through the puck despite having fitted a new pump etc. (I'm open to the possibility I might just be useless I had a laugh)

    Washing my hands of that and going to buy a Silvia V3 but can't decide which grinder to go along with. Have heard decent things about the Rocky (no doser) but I looked a bit further into it and it seems it has a fair few niggles which can be negated by spending a few more dollars.

    Things like the Mazzer Mini and Macap M4 came up as good options however, both seem to be doser only grinders. Which is a waste of beans as I'll only ever need to grind a double shot worth at a time.

    I'm currently leaning towards cheaping out and going with the Rocky and working around any issues which come up.

    Does anyone else have suggestions? Could a hand grinder (burr) be useful or are they not accurate enough?

    I'll be doing 50/50 milk based to non milk based coffees and and the occasional use with an Aeropress.

    Cheers!

    Edit: Current plan is to buy from JetBlack and the Silvia V3, *grinder of some form*, naked porta filter thing and probably their accessory kit. Open to suggestions to improve as long as it doesn't open up tooooo much of a rabbit hole and derail the thread too much. We are in the grinder subforum, afterall

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    Bang for buck the compak K3 is a good option.

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    How about the mazzer mini E?

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    Can't decide on grinder to accompany Silvia V3

    First. Don't discount doser grinders, assuming that they're not suitable as grind on demand grinders. Many members (granted not me) use a doser grinder to grind a double shot at a time easily. But in terms of doserless grinders, compak k3 (another vote), mm e (another vote) or the macap m4d. Or if these are to expensive, try the breville smart grinder. It all depends on your budget.

    But the Jetblack team should be more than happy to help you pick the best grinder for you.

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    I have a dosered Mazzer Super Jolly and it suits my 'workflow' better than a non-doser (previously had a non-dosered Iberital challenge). And this is for making one double shot coffee.

    My process:
    - 2 scoops of beans into the grinder throat (can even fit 2 doubles), place my plastic tamper as a 'lid' to prevent 'popcorning' (I don't use big hopper, just a jam funnel)
    - start the grind
    - go off and get the milk
    - stop the grind
    - grab the PF and start thwacking the ground beans into it (added benefit: breaks up any clumping)
    - brew the espresso and steam at the same time
    - pour and done

    Granted, I've had to make some slight mods to make sure the doser sweeps clean (which mine does very well now), but that's about all. Love that I don't have to stand there with PF waiting for the grinder to finish doing it's thing.

    Anyway, that's just me and my preference, but thought I'd add to David8's suggestion not to discount dosered grinders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadan View Post
    Bang for buck the compak K3 is a good option.
    I shall investigate this one. Ta.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikaltch View Post
    How about the mazzer mini E?
    Mini E is a bit above what I'm comfortable paying at this point. I can pay a bit above Rocky dollars but would prefer keeping it closer rather than double

    Quote Originally Posted by David8 View Post
    First. Don't discount doser grinders, assuming that they're not suitable as grind on demand grinders. Many members (granted not me) use a doser grinder to grind a double shot at a time easily. But in terms of doserless grinders, compak k3 (another vote), mm e (another vote) or the macap m4d. Or if these are to expensive, try the breville smart grinder. It all depends on your budget.

    But the Jetblack team should be more than happy to help you pick the best grinder for you.
    Thanks for the votes. The MM E looks to be out of my range but very nice indeed. Dosing puts me off due to the added cleaning of mechanisms, takes up more space, costs more etc but I'm not discounting it out of hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by benandfaith View Post
    I have a dosered Mazzer Super Jolly and it suits my 'workflow' better than a non-doser (previously had a non-dosered Iberital challenge). And this is for making one double shot coffee.

    My process:
    - 2 scoops of beans into the grinder throat (can even fit 2 doubles), place my plastic tamper as a 'lid' to prevent 'popcorning' (I don't use big hopper, just a jam funnel)
    - start the grind
    - go off and get the milk
    - stop the grind
    - grab the PF and start thwacking the ground beans into it (added benefit: breaks up any clumping)
    - brew the espresso and steam at the same time
    - pour and done

    Granted, I've had to make some slight mods to make sure the doser sweeps clean (which mine does very well now), but that's about all. Love that I don't have to stand there with PF waiting for the grinder to finish doing it's thing.

    Anyway, that's just me and my preference, but thought I'd add to David8's suggestion not to discount dosered grinders.
    That is a good point regarding the work flow. Saves needing an interim container. I do like that the grind stays in the grinder until it's going to be used. Do you find the doser steals grind only to sit in the mechanism and go stale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuaneDibbley View Post
    I'm guessing as nobody mentioned it that I shouldn't bother with a hand burr grinder?
    I wouldn't assume this. Just that in my case, I have no experience with hand grinders.

    I THINK there are members here using hand grinders with good results. But don't quote me on this. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by David8 View Post
    I wouldn't assume this. Just that in my case, I have no experience with hand grinders.

    I THINK there are members here using hand grinders with good results. But don't quote me on this. :P
    Hehe - yeah. I don't mind doing a bit of arm work if it means comparable results for $100 vs $1100

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuaneDibbley View Post

    That is a good point regarding the work flow. Saves needing an interim container. I do like that the grind stays in the grinder until it's going to be used. Do you find the doser steals grind only to sit in the mechanism and go stale?
    The grinds only stay in my doser for no more than 30sec as I grind only exactly what I need, so no chance of it going stale in that time. As long as the doser sweeps clean (i.e. does not leave grinds at the bottom), you shouldn't have to worry about stale grinds. Not all dosers sweep clean, so you'll have to research on which ones don't. With these, there's usually a modification you can do to fix the problem.

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    Can't decide on grinder to accompany Silvia V3

    Trying to work out which one is best for me is actually giving me a headache I had a laugh.

    I think I am favoring ones with continuous adjustment rather than stepped. That's the only criteria I've semi decided on so far.

    But I'm considering the dose less rocky combo with the metal drawers from coffee a Roma and being done with it...

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    There was a used rocky and draw in the hardware for sale section think the member was in Brisbane also if your interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadan View Post
    There was a used rocky and draw in the hardware for sale section think the member was in Brisbane also if your interested.
    Thanks for pointing them out I much prefer to waste extra money on new items so I'll pass and leave it to someone less silly than I!

    I'm now more and more interested in starting with a hand grinder. In my house I'm the only one who drinks coffee so 90% of the time it'll be fine to take a bit longer.

    Thinking of going the Hario MSS1B with a view to upgrade in 6-12mo to either a fancy hand grinder (such as Rosco or Pharos) if the hand grinding has stuck with me or go a Mazzer et al if it hasn't

    It feels wrong to be buying a $65 manual grinder expecting anything reasonable when everyone screams that you need to spend minimum of $460ish. We shall see.

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    I own a Pharos hand grinder and a compak K3 touch, I use the K3 when making milk based and the Pharos for espresso

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    Breville smart grinder might do the job if you don't want to spend big bucks.

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    DuaneDibbley

    I'd personally go with a better grinder and a different machine if you haven't already bought the silvia...I know I'll be shot down, but a sunbeam6910 plus a mazzer,k3 or macap will make just as good coffee if not better and definately easier than the Silvia..
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    Quote Originally Posted by richard_m_h View Post
    Breville smart grinder might do the job if you don't want to spend big bucks.
    I had a look at the Smart Grinder in the shops today. Didn't really inspire me. From reading the whole thread about it I'm sure it's quite a capable grinder. But what with all it's shimming randomness etc it sounds like too much trouble for me. The silliness of that statement isn't lost on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by wonder View Post
    DuaneDibbley

    I'd personally go with a better grinder and a different machine if you haven't already bought the silvia...I know I'll be shot down, but a sunbeam6910 plus a mazzer,k3 or macap will make just as good coffee if not better and definately easier than the Silvia..
    I've not bought anything yet. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but a Sunbeam!?

    Edit: Reading the Pullman review comparing the two at the moment.
    http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/kb/re...unbeam-silvia/

    After reading that and my own goals I still think the Silvia is for me. Still considering grinder :/

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    I understand you doubts about the sunbeam... But you'll find a lot of people PID the Silvia because of the issues with temp, and the surfing you need to do to get a decent coffee..and aslong as your not making multiple coffee's.. I'll also think the cons on that old review are enough, actually where enough for me to buy a sunbeam. Which I did after reading that exact review

    Enjoy your Silvia

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonder View Post
    I understand you doubts about the sunbeam... But you'll find a lot of people PID the Silvia because of the issues with temp, and the surfing you need to do to get a decent coffee..and aslong as your not making multiple coffee's.. I'll also think the cons on that old review are enough, actually where enough for me to buy a sunbeam. Which I did after reading that exact review

    Enjoy your Silvia
    Maybe I'm odd but the idea of gradually modifying the thing sounds fun. I don't mind surfing the temp on it either. I'm only ever going to be making a single coffee at a time so as long as I catch the first wave I'll be right (hahaha, we'll see).

    I'm happy to admit that on paper and that review the Sunbeam sounds technically superior in its design but I don't mind a bit of fiddling to unshackle myself from the computer.

    Thank you for the suggestion though, I like out of left field ideas

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    Hi Duane,

    I'll admit to preferring doser grinders. But I think it's a question of what works best with your technique/workflow.

    While it's possible to do a lot of fact finding on the web, if you contact us directly we can usually get to a short list of grinders that suit you pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBlack_Espresso View Post
    Hi Duane,

    I'll admit to preferring doser grinders. But I think it's a question of what works best with your technique/workflow.

    While it's possible to do a lot of fact finding on the web, if you contact us directly we can usually get to a short list of grinders that suit you pretty quickly.

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    Thanks Charlie, I'll probably do that at some point shortly

    I ended up ordering the Silvia from coffee-a-roma (ran out of my self imposed research time and just went with the cheapest price advertised) and have been making pretty ordinary coffee for a few days with my Hario hand mill. (My fault - not the equipment I had a laugh). There's also quite a lot of movement possible in the adjuster between the detents and I'm noticing the burrs on the hand mill are able to slap about a bit which annoys me from an engineering stand point so I'm back investigating electric/insane hand grinders.

    I nearly bought a Breville Smart Grinder on Thursday but decided for not a huge amount more I can get something (probably better).

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    Duanne,

    I know it may be out of your price range, but when it comes to a good investment for not too much outlay, the Compak K3 is recommended.

    The build and quality of the grind is similar to the Mazzer Mini, and pride of ownership is there.

    I would suggest do a bit of shopping in the sponsor's area, you might be surprise yourself if you make a few phone calls, you may get a good price.

    Also, look at the way the Mr. Compak sits with the Miss Silvia. They're made for each other.

    This good looking pair's happy together in my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidewayss View Post
    Duanne,

    I know it may be out of your price range, but when it comes to a good investment for not too much outlay, the Compak K3 is recommended.

    The build and quality of the grind is similar to the Mazzer Mini, and pride of ownership is there.

    I would suggest do a bit of shopping in the sponsor's area, you might be surprise yourself if you make a few phone calls, you may get a good price.

    Also, look at the way the Mr. Compak sits with the Miss Silvia. They're made for each other.

    This good looking pair's happy together in my house.

    Looks the goods! I think I like the Compak now. From the pic it looks like yours is the polished version and not the 'platinum' one?

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    Chris from Talkcoffee recommended and sold me a Mazzer Super Jolly some years ago - best thing I ever did for coffee making. Now whilst this is the best thing I reckon to pair up to my commercial Faema, it would very much suit any genuine espresso machine. The other choice is a Rocky and mod it (very simply) using pipe and making it a step less adjustable. I have a doserless Rocky that is an excellent little grinder - as modded. The SJ is the way to go to cure upgraditis though and I have it in the doser model which I find every easy to use and fantastic for groups of people.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Chris from Talkcoffee recommended and sold me a Mazzer Super Jolly some years ago - best thing I ever did for coffee making. Now whilst this is the best thing I reckon to pair up to my commercial Faema, it would very much suit any genuine espresso machine. The other choice is a Rocky and mod it (very simply) using pipe and making it a step less adjustable. I have a doserless Rocky that is an excellent little grinder - as modded. The SJ is the way to go to cure upgraditis though and I have it in the doser model which I find every easy to use and fantastic for groups of people.

    Cheers
    I too have a rocky ( but w/doser) and upgraded to a mazzer SJ with a doser. The SJ came up at a great price that I couldn't pass it up.

    I currently have a Silvia V3.

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    Can't decide on grinder to accompany Silvia V3

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    Take the Hario apart as if for a thorough clean. I suspect you will find that you can stop a lot of the burr movement with strategically placed rubber bands (I use the ones from asparagus).

    I had a Rocky for a while, and it too benefitted from some easy modifications to tighten everything up. These days I'm hearing that it is just a bit expensive for what it is.

    IMO--doser or doserless is really a matter of personal preference. The critical grinding happens before the doser (or not) comes into play.

    While the continuous adjustment is great for getting the grind exact, they are much more work if you are going between espresso and Aeropress--although now that you have a Hario you could have 2 dedicated grinders.

    I now have a Macap M4D that is only used for parties. The Pharos is my daily grinder.

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    I must say I am loving my new Compak K3P. It is fantastic value for money



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