I am wanting to know the maximum amount of money I have to spend on an electric grinder to get the best possible flavor in the cup. I am not after bells and whistles. I own a pharos hand grinder and do not want to step down in quality of grind which I believe is quite high with the Pharos. Is it $800 minimum. Is it $1000. I would appreciate absolute honesty in terms of amount I have to spend.
Is the only difference between a 58mm and a 68mm conical burr the speed in which the coffee is ground?
I'm not the best to answer that. But I believe so. On the other hand, you're looking at a lot more $$ for a conical. Both the K3Push/Touch and the mazzer Mini are all flat burrs.
If what you need is an electrified Pharos, the only thing I can think of would be a Versalab M3 which is serious money, around $2000 last time I checked.
The reason I say this is because with the Pharos you have two things - a large conical burr spinning very slowly, and the ground coffee falling straight into a container. No other electric grinder really replicates that better than the Versalab, but opinions differ on whether it's worth the money, given that it is such a niche product - similar in many ways to the early ergonomics and design issues people raised with the Pharos.
What I'm getting at is that IF there is any validity to the whole conical / flat burr debate (I think there is) and you are prepared to accept nothing less than the grind quality of the Pharos, may I suggest a cordless drill as anything else will likely be a disappointment.
It is hard for us to judge; only those that own a Pharos would be able to advise on which grinders might produce equivalent or better quality, assuming they have tried a range of grinders. I am guessing you will need to spend in excess of $1000 as the Pharos uses a high end conical burr set. You would be starting from around $2000 to get into the high end conical grinder range.
I think it might be best to go along to a Espresso machine specialist with a showroom and a good range of grinders and see for yourself. Take along your Pharos to compare.
Wow. Out of my league here... Is the Pharos really that good? I may have to buy one. =D
I think to replicate a slow big conical, you'd have to buy a slow big conical such as a Kony/Robur/K10 or similar.... It's not difficult to spend in excess of $2k for this gear.
For what its worth I own a Pharos and a K3 touch
In the cup the pharos produces are far better espresso for me
Baratza Preciso ~$330 rrp, will kill any flat-burr mazzer across entire range.
It's that good?? Happy to provide my Preciso for any shootouts
To get similar results from an electric the best value would be the Wega 8.6 which is basically a Compak K10 rebadged and can be picked up for under $2000. There is no other large, conical burr grinder in this price range and there is certainly nothing that will compare with the Pharos at the price the OP wants to pay.
@OP, if you did consider one of the large conicals I know I'd have my eye on the electric doser!! Grind retention on regular dosers sux! Is it blasphemy to say Pharos is ahead in this regard?!
Sorry to be more clear I am referring to the chute between the burrs as the doser, you are referring to the doser itself?
I got the impression from those CSers with Konys that it's a better situation than the doser version but it's obv not my personal experience... Yet
Mazzer E and manual grinders have the same chutes, and retain a fair amount by design. The bigger the grinder, the more it retains, the Robur-E is the worst offender due to the massive chamber and buildup behind the anti-static mesh. That's what I was saying above - not comparable to the Pharos in that regard.
For around a $1000 you can get some pretty decent larger flat burr grinders second hand, including the Mazzer Major. BUT if you are of the view conical is better than flat then there is nothing motorized (which is not very second hand) in this category. So the only option of getting the equivalent and probably better grind for this money (assuming you are of the view that only conical will do) is stay manual but move up in class; viz. the yet-for-sale HG One grinder. Here is the link HG one | tools for building better coffee
But naturally you'll have to wait for this grinder to go on sale, and if you are sceptical, for it to be proven.