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    Hi,

    I am looking for the absolutely best grinder money can buy to sit next to my Synesso Cyncra. Currently I ahve a Mazer Electronic and I am not too excited by the grind quality and speed.

    Please give me your sugestions.

    Thanks, Peter

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    Hello Peter,

    Which Mazzer do you have?

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    Mazer

    I have both the Mazzer Mini E - Type A (home) & B (office).

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Hello Peter,

    Which Mazzer do you have?

    Chris

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    Alrighty....Assuming your dosing and shots are consistent, going to a faster planar grinder- SJ, Major etc will gain you only speed.

    My opinion is that you do get something in the cup with the big conicals. You also spend accordingly- $1.7k upwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Alrighty....Assuming your dosing and shots are consistent, going to a faster planar grinder- SJ, Major etc will gain you only speed.

    My opinion is that you do get something in the cup with the big conicals. You also spend accordingly- $1.7k upwards.
    And may I add, if the equipment is only for domestic type (low volume) use going to a big conical will also add the dimension of having to run a quantity of coffee through before the burrs settle (bed?) down to a point where they work at their best. Which means wasting coffee. Planar grinders are quicker easier (in my opinion) to deal with in getting a great result pretty much straight up.

    Also if the operator is into the appreciation of milk coffees rather than strictly blacks, any "something extra" will be lost.

    And of course...."Assuming your dosing and shots are consistent...." well said Chris ! The operator should already be getting consistent GREAT shots with the equipment at hand. How can you determine the "grind quality"? It should be the result in the cup that counts and that will also be due to a multitude of other factors not just the grind quality. Speed is not generally an issue in a home use environment, but I will concede that is an individual preference.

    Is it "worth it" to spend 1.7 k up to get that something extra?

    Only an individual can make that decision for himself, and I would suggest doing side by side comparisons between your own grinder and whatever you think may be a good "upgrade" for you without which, there is no true defining test of what you will find to be better or best. Otherwise you may not be happy after mail ordering a grinder that someone recommends here, if it does not live up to the expectation.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post
    ...Only an individual can make that decision for himself, and I would suggest doing side by side comparisons between your own grinder and whatever you think may be a good "upgrade" for you.......
    Indeed. Before purchasing my current main grinder I was reading everything I could find - including a very comprehensive comparison of it vs huuge conicals. In reading the very slight differences in flavour in the cup that they were detecting between them I realised that the preference of my palate was for the optimal result of the planar burrs.
    Which means I get two excellent results - grinder optimised for my own tongue, and a saving of rather a lot of coin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiredArabica View Post
    Indeed....... - grinder optimised for my own tongue.......!
    I like that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvb View Post
    Hi,

    I am looking for the absolutely best grinder money can buy to sit next to my Synesso Cyncra. Currently I ahve a Mazer Electronic and I am not too excited by the grind quality and speed.

    Please give me your sugestions.

    Thanks, Peter
    Hi Peter,
    As this is for home, no doubt you want an equally eye catching grinder to sit next to your espresso machine. If money is not an issue (as you stated), buy one of the large conical grinders. All produce almost identical results in the cup, but are designed for high speed and high volume coffee establishments. You will experience some grind retention, but stale grinds can be easily purged. In the scheme of things, the cost of the purged coffee is very low, when you consider the value of the machine and grinder.
    I would consider looks, and aim for the Elektra Nino. They are very striking in appearance, and would sit nicely next to your Synesso.

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    Hi Peter
    Wow...yours is one of those 'good' problems we'd all like to have!

    Good luck with it.

    Interestingly you mention 'absolute best' because not only is that going to be hard to define (or agree to) but will soon enough get moved off it's perch as soon as the next best thing comes along....and these days it seems like that 'another best' comes around the corner as soon as you buy something!

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    Thank you for annunciating my own thoughts on this wrt definition of "best" (which in any case I understood to refer to *grind quality* due to OP first post above).

    When all's said and done, Bosco's is probably the reply to go with....to buy something that looks the part, although for my own I prefer a large flat plate grinder. Opinions were sought, and that's mine.

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    You have a Synesso Cyncra on your bench and you have to ask here "what the best grinder is that money can buy"? I call troll. Sorry. One does not just own a Synesso Cyncra then have to ask on a forum which "best" grinder to buy.

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    Yes- it may be suss. Generally if you spend $10k+ on a machine, you'd probably have a good idea on what you'd like to pair it with.

    Who knows? Time will tell. I guess if you can afford a Synesso, you can just buy one of each starting at $1.2k upwards and stop when you find a match.

    We'd be more than happy to supply one of everything from our range...

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    Any of the big conicals can be adapted for single dosing from their designed commercial application, there are plenty of guides on the net to help with these mods. Of course this is only worth doing if you really prefer the taste profile of the big conicals. FWIW I found that it was a flavour i preferred using my commercial spring lever and I felt the expense was justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    You will experience some grind retention, but stale grinds can be easily purged. In the scheme of things, the cost of the purged coffee is very low, when you consider the value of the machine and grinder.
    I would consider looks, and aim for the Elektra Nino.
    Actually, an Elektra Nino retains very little in the way of grinds compared to most other grinders, as the exit path from the group head is very short and feeds directly into a steep outlet chute. They do look very impressive (we're using one in our workshop and it always impresses visitors) and would make a great 'showoff' domestic grinder. They do have a few shortcomings in a busy commercial setting - one is that the cover over the microswitch that is triggered when the group handle is inserted peels off after sustained heavy use and lets grounds enter the space in front of the switch, where it packs tight and makes the switch a bit of a 'hair trigger' device. When this happens, using the tamper on the Nino will often trigger another grind cycle, dumping more coffee on top of the tamper as you're tamping the previous grinds. And the mounting for the worm adjuster for the upper burr carrier is weak and easily bent if the grind adjuster gets even mildly stiff to turn.

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    I have a top of the line Mazer Robur Electronic for sale in the Hardware for Sale Section.. Its pretty much brand new. It'll dose your double baskets in about 3 seconds

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...lectronic.html



    Quote Originally Posted by pvb View Post
    Hi,

    I am looking for the absolutely best grinder money can buy to sit next to my Synesso Cyncra. Currently I ahve a Mazer Electronic and I am not too excited by the grind quality and speed.

    Please give me your sugestions.

    Thanks, Peter

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    Reference: Reply from Fresh Coffee #5
    I have a Kony-e for domestic use. I was disappointed with it as the grinds clumped and the taste was not what I had hoped for. No one warned me that the would be a run in period for the cones in a domestic situation.
    The cones are now run-in, no clumping, ever so even grinds, my coffee runs very close in quality to our ever so good Elixir coffee shop. I just could not be happier. Of course at 2 cups of coffee a day it will be grinding good coffee long after I am gone - unless of course I can take it with me - 240 volts- unlikely!

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    since money isnt an issue... how about the versalab m3.... =))

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdimdom View Post
    since money isnt an issue... how about the versalab m3.... =))
    Hi folks,

    Under normal circumstances I would agree, but there is more than a 50% chance, to have a grinder which doesnīt make you happy, because of a sloppy build construction.
    I already spend more than a hundred hours, to optimise the grinder.
    More than optimising isnīt possible, due to the big tolerances in the outside plates and the tolerances of the big thread, where the funnel is fitted.
    If tolerances are reduced, it is quiet a nice gadget.
    The volumetric dosing system is the perfect solution for me, once you find the right bushing size for the beans you are using, it is just a very cool procedure.
    I prefer the casual easy going cook to one who acts with pharmaceutical precision... at least it should appear as easy going.

    Cheers

    Frank

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    You need to figure out what taste you prefer. Planar burrs have a different taste than conical burrs.

    I have a new Versalab, a Pharos and a Kony-E because I like the conical taste and usage characteristics. There is even a taste difference between these conicals but I suspect it is the grinding speed that makes the difference. I just removed the static screen from the Kony and tomorrow I will have a better idea about a possible taste difference.

    Frank, how old is you M3?

    Stephen
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorganGT View Post
    Actually, an Elektra Nino retains very little in the way of grinds compared to most other grinders, as the exit path from the group head is very short and feeds directly into a steep outlet chute. They do look very impressive (we're using one in our workshop and it always impresses visitors) and would make a great 'showoff' domestic grinder. They do have a few shortcomings in a busy commercial setting - one is that the cover over the microswitch that is triggered when the group handle is inserted peels off after sustained heavy use and lets grounds enter the space in front of the switch, where it packs tight and makes the switch a bit of a 'hair trigger' device. When this happens, using the tamper on the Nino will often trigger another grind cycle, dumping more coffee on top of the tamper as you're tamping the previous grinds. And the mounting for the worm adjuster for the upper burr carrier is weak and easily bent if the grind adjuster gets even mildly stiff to turn.
    I got a Nino for Christmas a couple of years back to go with my Belle Epoque. Truly an impressive combined look. I've had a whole range of grinders before and in my view, nothing compares with the Nino, and I've ground thousands of coffees. Having said that, it has been solely for domestic use and I don't let anyone touch it so I have always taken great care. I have not encountered any of the problems identified. Never an issue with the microswitch cover peeling off, although I can see how abuse could cause this. Also, I have kept the grinding adjuster free from debris and keep the machine clean so I've never had any issues with it being stiff to turn. Even if it was, I would have thought a touch of suitable lube material would solve the roblem. All in all, it isn't a cheap purchase by any means, and for the $3k odd that my wife put on my credit card, I've been very happy. Hope that helps.

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    The only real real answer to "Best Grinder Available" is...

    The Best Grinder...

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    Good to hear you like the Nino, one of those next to a Belle Epoque would make for an amazing sight in a domestic setting! We've actually imported a small quantity of Ninos (about half a dozen), but with the issues they seem to have when given intensive use, we are probably going to leave the unsold ones we have on the shelf rather than sell them into a commercial environment. The ones I have worked on that have given problems have probably suffered by being installed in fuel outlets, where the users aren't the most expert of baristas (these aren't ones we have sold, so I'm not sure how long they have been in service, nor do I know how well or often they are normally serviced by the coffee company that supplied them).
    In domestic use they would probably last several lifetimes, but not too many people are likely to want to spend the $ required to have a Nino at home. I'd happily have one next to my machine, but while I get paid well, it's not quite enough for me to justify the price of a Nino (even though I could probably get one at the wholesale price!)

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    Wonder if the OP will be back. Does he know how to use such equipment including using genuinely great beans?

    Interestingly I prefer the less fruity more chocolate note that a good flat burr grinder produces. So for ny pallet the absolute best grinder to pair with my faema commercial is the grinder that Chris from Talk Coffee sold me some years ago_ MSJ. Throwing cash at coffee making is not necessarily the answer, but maybe IF the OP comes back he can expand on why he is less than impressed with the mazzers.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozscott View Post
    Wonder if the OP will be back. Does he know how to use such equipment including using genuinely great beans?

    Interestingly I prefer the less fruity more chocolate note that a good flat burr grinder produces. So for ny pallet the absolute best grinder to pair with my faema commercial is the grinder that Chris from Talk Coffee sold me some years ago_ MSJ. Throwing cash at coffee making is not necessarily the answer, but maybe IF the OP comes back he can expand on why he is less than impressed with the mazzers.

    Cheers
    Thanks Ozscott for giving us what I believe to be the most genuine post of the week.

    Wash your mouth out with soap for daring to say you prefer planar to conikill....you have just joined a select few people who tell the truth as they see it instead of regurgitating current politically correct opinions (that conikill is "better"...really??????)

    wrt "Throwing cash at coffee making is not necessarily the answer..." Again...another gem. Where to start. Wash your mouth out with soap for not doing the politically correct thing and following your admission that you use a faema, with an apology that its only tiding you over until you can get the equipment that you really trooly desire....insert certain poli correct brand names here......

    The coffee and coffee eqiupment industries are overflowing with spin and image marketing to make clients feel insecure lest they make or have made a "wrong " decision in their choice of brands, and get them on board to spend money on the "correct" brand names. You have to be a realist and a bit of a hobby psychologist to wade through it all, but you shouldnt need to be einstein to see its all about MONEY.

    As to the motivation behind someone coming here and announcing that one of the best grinders on the market for small volume commercial use....be it ever so planar instead of conical......isnt cutting it in a home or office use environment, we will have to wait and see if the OP ever comes back.

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    Thanks Attilio...and the OP is still not back!

    Cheers

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    Maybe the OP decided to use a mortar & pestle and does not want to admit it??? OP, don't be shy, cannibalism does not happen here :-)



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