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    New Sunbeam Grinders ??

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    I have been looking at getting a Sunbeam 450 or 480 grinder, but this morning I noticed that on their web site they now have two that I have not seen before - the EM0440 and the EM0430.

    I have read somewhere that Sunbeam use the same burrs in all of their grinders, and the only difference is mainly cosmetic, and the material that the outer casing is made from.

    Can anyone here confirm this, particularly in regard to the EM0430, which is the one that I am now considering ??.

    And just to head it off at the pass - I am on a strict budget - so, please don't tell me to buy something I can't afford, or to wait and save up for a shiny Italian made Ferrari or Lamborghini grinder - it's just not going to happen.

    I am however, handy with tools, have lots of spare time, and understand things mechanical and electrical, so I will probably modify whatever I get if it improves the performance & the results.

    Thanks in advance for any advice, Leo.

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    i was lucky to find a 430 on gumtree for 20 bucks - and i really couldnt complain for that price. problem was it just wont grind fine enough and makes a heck of a mess. the grinder adjustment is a nightmare to work with but i DID eventually get it to work reasonably well. though the steps meant it was either gushing or over-extracting. im not the most handy of people and didnt bother tinkering with it any further. It currently serves a moka pot in a friend's house who is enjoying it to bits.

    a quick search on the forum will tell you the 480 is quite modifiable. i havent tried modding mine yet (left it for the other people in the house to use with their woolies beans) but it does the job even before the mods (just watch out for grind retention in the chute!). all that said before i got my 'shiny italian grinder' i was actually happier with the results from my hario slim mill than the 480. it does produce quite a bit of fines though.

    thats my 2 cents anyway. before you do jump out at the 480 though, big w had em for sale for a 100bucks a piece. makes you wonder how much they're really worth... but also, if you're patient and willing enough to fish around for bargains im sure you can get one for much less than the retail 160-200 price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdimdom View Post
    i was lucky to find a 430 on gumtree for 20 bucks
    Thanks for the reply Tim. Did you get a S/H EM430 or is that a typo ??. I'm asking partly because you go on to discuss the EM480 after that, but mainly because I thought that the 430 was a recent addition to the Sunbeam range.

    As you said, the 450 and the 480 have several threads here. They mostly say that shim mods are easy to do, and that the chute can also be altered to reduce the mess.

    I'm interested in the EM0440 because it looks a lot like the 450/480 and may well use the same internals in a plastic outer casing. If that is the case I would certainly consider it, and should be able to get a new one well under a hundred bucks because the RRP is $99.99

    So what I need now is for someone to tell me if they are the same inside or not.

    However, in the meantime, I will follow up on your suggestion and check out Big-W. If I can find a 480 for about $100 I would buy it. At that price I would not choose the cheaper one even if the do have the same internals. ( and yes, it really does make me wonder what the wholesale price is )

    Cheers, Leo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leograyson View Post
    Thanks for the reply Tim. Did you get a S/H EM430 or is that a typo ??. I'm asking partly because you go on to discuss the EM480 after that, but mainly because I thought that the 430 was a recent addition to the Sunbeam range.

    As you said, the 450 and the 480 have several threads here. They mostly say that shim mods are easy to do, and that the chute can also be altered to reduce the mess.

    I'm interested in the EM0440 because it looks a lot like the 450/480 and may well use the same internals in a plastic outer casing. If that is the case I would certainly consider it, and should be able to get a new one well under a hundred bucks because the RRP is $99.99

    So what I need now is for someone to tell me if they are the same inside or not.

    However, in the meantime, I will follow up on your suggestion and check out Big-W. If I can find a 480 for about $100 I would buy it. At that price I would not choose the cheaper one even if the do have the same internals. ( and yes, it really does make me wonder what the wholesale price is )

    Cheers, Leo.
    Sounds like Tim has both. I'd be steering away from the 430, but you're right, the 440, 450 and 480 all look similar. Both have what sunbeam call 'slow' rotating conical burrs. 250g hopper, 24/25 settings. Assuming the 440 is shimable (stick a washer under the bottom burr to lift it up), it should grind for espresso. Probably not the best grind quality out there. The 480 has that dual mode, where it either grinds from a flick of the lever, or grind on demand with a press of the button. But this isn't a big deal really.

    Have you considered a sunbeam/breville factory outlet store? I have no idea if you can get a decent breville in your budget. But if you're near one, it's worth a shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David8 View Post
    Sounds like Tim has both. I'd be steering away from the 430, but you're right, the 440, 450 and 480 all look similar. Both have what sunbeam call 'slow' rotating conical burrs. 250g hopper, 24/25 settings. Assuming the 440 is shimable (stick a washer under the bottom burr to lift it up), it should grind for espresso. Probably not the best grind quality out there. The 480 has that dual mode, where it either grinds from a flick of the lever, or grind on demand with a press of the button. But this isn't a big deal really.

    Have you considered a sunbeam/breville factory outlet store? I have no idea if you can get a decent breville in your budget. But if you're near one, it's worth a shot?
    Thanks David, I read the post again & I think you may be right about Tim having both - though it seems he has given up on both of them too.

    The dual switch on the 480 would not be a factor, but if I can get one for not much more than the 440 I would choose anyway.

    No Sunbeam seconds here, but there is Breville outlet in Brisbane, not handy for me, but I may be closer to it during my travels next weekend. I will give them a call and see what their opening hours are and if they have any grinders in stock. Thanks for the tip.

    Cheers, Leo.

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    yup! ive had both - apparently not a recent addition? the guy i got it from got it as a gift bout 3/4 years ago. (funny story behind that one actually - was a gift from his [then girlfriend] along with a bag of beans because he bought a nespresso machine...........)

    i remember when i was first looking out for them i went down to myers to have a look at the 480 vs the 450. really didnt like the feel of how flimsy the 450 was and just felt even at $179 the 480 was asking a little too much (vs ~$300 for a decent 2nd hand commercial grinder out there?). anyway, i just had a look on the big w site. apparently the offer is still on but with no online stock. so find out at your postcode my nearest store still has em!

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    Alternatively, have you been keeping an eye on the for sale forum here? Coffee Hardware For Sale

    There are currently 1 or 2 480s up for sale interstate, but the sellers may be willing to post.

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    Also, what are your opinions on hand grinders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdimdom View Post
    so find out at your postcode my nearest store still has em!
    Tim, thanks for that - a couple of stores not too far from me still have stock, so that might just have made my decision for me. At that price and with a little customising I should be able to satisfy my needs.

    David, in view of the Big-W price, the S/H ones + postage would not be in the running now.

    My opinion on hand grinders is that my current Hario Skerton is a good little grinder for making one cup, but not so good for two, and is quite tedious for three or more. I have considered motorising it with and old cordless drill/driver but it's batteries have died and I don't have a suitable power source at present.

    Regards, Leo.

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    New Sunbeam Grinders ??

    So you're leaning towards the 480? I think that's a good choice. I still use my 480 for decaf every now and then. I think it's undervalued.

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    Yes, at only $98, I will probably get the 480, that's less than the RRP for the 440.

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    New Sunbeam Grinders ??

    $98?!? I wish i had room on my bench for another one!

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    I was looking at the 440 as well for the reasons stated.
    my BCG450 just packed it in and i need a new grinder, but cannot shell out for a good one unfortunately.

    So is the assumption that it is the same internals as the 450 & 480?

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    New Sunbeam Grinders ??

    I have 2 480's with only one needing shimming. Haven't missed a beat with regular cleans and fresh beans. Only downside is the amount of coffee left in the area underneath the burrs. But there's probably an easy fix for that.

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    I have 2 x 450s and a 3rd i gave to the inlaws. None of them needed shimming, all of them grind fine enough - set on 1 they all clog up the espresso machines used (again, Sunbeams 4800/5900/6910).

    All bought 2nd hand, the last cost me $30.

    Like anything, a little bit of maintenance goes a lot way so i regularly (minimum of fortnightly) pull them apart and clean them thoroughly.

    Worth keeping in mind - check out ebay/gumtree in addition to the marketplace here. An option for those who want to dip their toes into the world of coffeesnobbery without donating their unborn child.

    My 6910 cost me $100, sold the extra PF and 2 boxes of brand new dual filters for $100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ineeda View Post
    I was looking at the 440 as well for the reasons stated.
    my BCG450 just packed it in and i need a new grinder, but cannot shell out for a good one unfortunately.

    So is the assumption that it is the same internals as the 450 & 480?
    I've been looking at these too as a frugal alternative. Please keep in mind that I've not seen one but this is what I've been able to come up with.

    From what I can tell of the online instruction manuals at the sunbeam site, there IS a difference between the EM0440 and EM0450/80/90. The EM0450/80/90 have the top burrs separate from the adjustment collar but the EM0440 instructions suggests the top burrs are fixed to the adjustment collar. Sunbeam's site also doesn't refer to the burrs as being replaceable although the instructions say to contact Sunbeam to replace the burrs.

    The question assuming there is a difference. Is this a cost cutting short-cut and if so does it affect the performance and/or longevity of the product? I guess only time will tell.

    Other than that it would seem to be the same burr set and are all mentioned as 'Italian conical burrs'.

    Of note is the EM0480/90 models state they use a gear driven motor, although promotional material around the net suggest the EM0450 has a 'gear driven burr system'. The EM0440 is not listed as having a slow speed grind either but its hard to imagine it'd work without it.

    Perhaps its all marketing to push people towards their more expensive models as I've not been able to find anywhere with the cheaper EM0440 on display to look at. Target have them online and it seems a perfect fit to sell these at the cheaper focused chain stores.

    So my conclusion is I have no idea but it may give you some questions to ask when you go looking. If I see one around I'll remove the adjustment collar and take a picture. If anyone else happens to see it, could they please do the same. Gold stars and smiley stamps to be awarded for best picture.

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    The top burr is attached to the hopper

    gold star to me

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    I have an EM450. I took it over to a friend's house: not as good as an anfim best, but much more portable. The top burr goes in two ways (you can put it in backwards). With it the wrong (?right) way, it is much too coarse for espresso. With it the other way, it will choke a rocket giotto at about 6, give ristretto(ish) at 7, and normale at 8. Steps are fairly coarse.

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    An old thread - but I wondered.
    Can any one give any idea of how the EM0440 grind compareswith the Breville Bar Aroma coffee grinder.

    I have the Breville, but can not get a fine enough grind to make a good expresso unless I use the dual walled baskets on my EM6910

    I have modified my Breville grinder to get it as fine as possible but it still not enough.

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    I had the 440 for my Silvia but it wasn't fine enough.

    However it was comparable to the breville smart grinder.

    U can get the shim kit from eBay for the 440 to make it grind finer

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    Reading up above there seems to be some difference between the 440 and the later(?) models. I have an EM0450 and an EM0480 and both perform well. Currently the 0480 is shimmed and grinds very nicely for my EM6910 machine around 10 on the dial. I use the 0450 only occasionally for decaf for the missus but it does a good job without shims. Both have different burrs to the photo above from dazfc - at least I think they do. Look on my thread http://coffeesnobs.com.au/brewing-eq...w-machine.html for photos of my burrs - the blades seem much more pronounced than what I see a few posts back.

    According to TampIt, that means I have the older style 0480. I've seen comments around the forums that the new EM0480 is a better grinder that doesn't need shimming - I have no idea if this is so or if they just got Tuesday machines. But until I get a lot more money to spend, I'm happy with the output of my (adjusted) EM0480.

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    Am I wrong, or right?

    I thought the EM 0440 was the same as an 0480, just a cheaper model, plastic rather than aluminium.
    I also thought the EM0440 was a relatively new release.

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    I haven't seen a 440 - saw a reference to one a while back that was selling for half the price of a 480 (both new) The 480 feels solid and works well. I don't know if the new style burrs are a better option - both my machines (450 & 480) have what look like pristine edges on the burrs but when i was having issues (see my thread) there were comments about maybe the burrs were worn. Short of putting foreign materials down the chute I don't see what might wear down the burrs.
    450-480-4.jpg
    You can see the burrs are quite chunky compared to the pic above - these are the top burrs from the 450 and 480.

    Unless you find someone who has a 440, I don't know if you can be sure it will work for you without trying it. Perhaps Hardly Normal can do a demo of espresso from one for you?

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    Had a look at an EM0440 today, there were two types in the shop, one that is bundled with the EM6910, and the other a standalone.

    The shop assistant said "don't buy one" the grinder. She said they are always coming back in. She told me, the tops/hopper with the top burr do not line up easily with the base.

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    if you're looking for a new grinder, look for a used rocky (heaps on here and evil bay) or a used Compak K3

    I've just moved from an 0480 to a Rocky and it's a much better machine. Faster, quieter, better build.

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    Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I thought I'd give my two cents on the topic, as I found this thread by searching info on my grinder, so others may yet do the same.

    I got the EM0440 grinder in the pack with the 6910 recently myself. Without a word of a lie, I can get great coffee with it! It can definitely grind fine enough. If I go below 5 it will choke the 6910. I've found around 7-8 perfect for my needs. I've read about people stating that the grind is inconsistent with these grinders (well the 450 and 480 in particular) but from my experience that's not the case with my 0440. The only issue is sometimes as I'm doing progressive tamping, I'll go back for the second grind and only a little will come out. But a quick turn to 10, a very slight tap on the button, and then back up to 7-8 sorts out the problem.

    I will be taking apart the grinder soon to see if I can modify something to stop some of the grind retention that does happen with these grinders. Other than this, the grinder does a great job.

    I've disassembled it to clean between different blends etc,and it's not difficult to do so, once you've done it before.

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    The burrs are identical in all of these from the EM0440 to the EM0700. Any grind variability would mainly be down to any give vertical and horizontal on them. However in operation, the burrs will go towards the path of least resistance until they hit whatever limit is there - which should be more or less the same on all models.

    I Don't think you can do much about the grind retention other than getting one with the anti-static chamber - I regret returning my EM0700 now and will buy it again when it's on sale for a decent price. It retained the same amount of grinds, which also couldn't be banged out as easily (they'll need to instead be ground out on next use) but the dosing was just so much nicer.



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