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    Hi,

    I am seriously thinking of buying a Baratza Preciso but just wanted to know if it is the way to go before I take the plunge. What do people think of them? Is there something better for just a little more money, say the $500 mark? I understand that a conical burr grinder is better than a flat burr. But if so why are there some higher end machines that have a flat burr grinder? I am primarily going to use it to make espresso but want to make french press as well.

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    Hi Finegrind

    I have just purchased a Preciso and I would say I like the grind quality and speed better than the K3 touch or Mazzer mini,

    They are a more compact unit but not as solid as the K3 or Mazzer but for low volume home use should be suitable,

    You can buy replacement parts at fairly low cost if needed

    Low grind retention is also good

    I purchased it for my wife to use as she was not happy using the Mini with the doser where as I use a Pharos hand grinder,

    I have been using the Preciso myself and like the results I think its a great grinder for the price.

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    I've heard from friends and other coffee snobs that this is a brilliant grinder, especially for the money. Grind consistency is excellent (especially for filter brewing). There's also a steel burr set you can get to further improve consistency (but sort of renders the grinder useless for espresso). Very little grind retention and pretty fast. If it was available when I bought my Mazzer, I'd have bought it instead of the Mazzer for sure. Read around. David Walsh of "other black stuff" has some interesting thoughts on the Baratza's.

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    Well the plot thickens. I have been reading and discovered a few things about the difference between the Vario and the Preciso. And for that matter the difference between conical and flat burr grinders. I have seen a number of different places on the web that are all saying a flat burr will produce a more sweet and more pronounced chocolate flavour and a conical burr will produce a more bright coffee flavor with higher citrus notes. For me I am after more of the sweet and pronounced chocolate flavor from my espresso. When I bought my Pharos hand grinder (and was quite new to the game) I was of the understanding that a conical burr was simply superior to a flat burr. Confusing! Does anyone know anything about theses claims?

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    That is simply a minefield of conjecture, misinformation, bias, pride and poorly conducted and subjective trials ( 'clash of the titans' sort of thing on another site ).
    Ultimately, the only way for you to decide is to do side by side comparisons with bedded in flat and conical burr sets of similar sized/priced grinders using the same roasts and making method.
    You might find one is more complex than the other and shows more points of difference between roasts, while the other won't find flavours that aren't there.
    After having both types on my bench I honestly don't have an overall preference, they are just different. One has more clarity, the other different mouthfeel.
    One is definitely better for filter/pourover roasts the other might work better with certain flavour profiles, which are then obscured by milk.
    You have a stated preference for sweet and chocolate; you will see both those characters with both types of grinders, they will just be different. It's not as though a
    chocolatey blend or bean will be all cocoa and sweetness in a flat and then apples and lemons with mouth puckering acidity in a conical. Nor will a coffee that is cherry and plum and cedar wood shavings in a conical go all cadbury in a flat. I've even read that unless you admit to only liking flat burrs you could be accused of lying............. go figure that one!!
    If you can, get yourself to a good machinery supplier, with a couple of different coffees that you like, so you can do comparisons yourself and then TRUST YOUR OWN SENSES to help you decide. Neither type wears a badge of superiority.

    I've actually come to the conclusion that for my taste in coffee and to experience the full nuances of flavour from any one bean, blend and roast I have to have both. At the same time. Bummer! Like a polygamist with two mistresses. I wish..................... (the grinders not the mistresses!! ;-0)

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    Geez, I had made up my mind to get the k3, but now I'm not sure. I intend to use it for espresso AND my aeropress, probably going through 200 gr. a day. Any recommendations?

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    Hi raf, I purchased the Preciso recently to use as my pourover/brewing grinder, it is fantastic for this purpose with negligible grind retention, quick and fairly quiet, nice and compact so it doesn't take up too much space. If you are going to use the grinder for espresso and your aeropress the Preciso may be a good choice as the adjustments are easy to use and return to previous settings whereas you may have to dial in the Mazzers or K3's etc each time you change your extraction method! Good luck with making your decision.........!!
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    some more food for thought:--
    coffeegeek.com/proreviews/quickshot/baratzavirtuosopreciso/details

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineGrind View Post
    Well the plot thickens....................I was of the understanding that a conical burr was simply superior to a flat burr. Confusing!....................
    They are different, and contrary to all the hoo har contained in the www, that doesn’t mean one is superior to the other, it just means....they are different....! Add to that that many "reviewers” in your local "trust network" (the www), are simply plagiarising stuff they've read round and round and round and round and don’t actually have the first hand experience, then you might begin to understand the magnitude of the problem.......When is one type of grinder superior to another, and are we comparing *comparable models* or not. There are all different size, brand, model grinders pitched at different levels of the market and according to their particular applications have certain pros and cons. How does that make one broad group of grinders, when you only differentiate them by virtue of the kind of plates/burrs they employ, "superior" to another. Define "superior" (that’s a figurative question not a specific question to the author of the quote), and in what context does that superiority lie?

    I found the post (authored by chokkidog) that follows the one quoted is quite a good "short" summary, realistically covering a number of relevant angles in the generally (I think) flawed discussion of conical VS flat, where many owners through reading all this stuff become insecure about the perceived level of quality of their own equipment, making them feel the “need to upgrade(?)" equipment that didn’t need "upgrading" for their application, in looking for some kind of intangible grinder nirvana. It is of course good for business......

    There is a whole lot more in the “total package” of a “superior grinder” than just the type of burrs employed, and a client could also find a superior flat plated grinder when upgrading in an upwards direction, if he or she were not coerced into thinking (incorrectly) that flat plate grinders as a group are inferior.....

    And of course, there are lots of people drinking the brand/label/model/specs of their equipment rather than the brew it produces.

    If the Preciso as a package is a nice grinder and suits your budget as well your list of exprectations then by all means buy it, but if there are other grinders in a similar price bracket you would be crazy not to check them out as well irrespective of the type of burrs they employ. Try your preferred supplier for advice.

    And that’s enough from me for the moment.
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    PLEASE could we see a review of this grinder from one of the CS sponsors , myself and alot of other members would love to get some experienced feedback from one of two of you,
    We are getting a few CS members now who are very happy with their preciso and more people are now looking at this grinder as an option.

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    Actually I think you did it pretty well in post number 2 above ! Any more would just be padding.
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    Hey guys I just bought a Preciso as well and I am yet to use it. I was wondering if someone can give me an idea on what grind setting I should start at?
    I am using a sunbeam 6910 with VST 18g basket and fresh dibella beans.

    All the Preciso's are meant to be more or less exactly the same as each other - so if I can save some coffee by starting off at whatever setting you guys use, that would be great!

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    Haven't got one (yet), but a review I read on it got a good espresso grind from 10 on the macro, midway on the micro. The review didn't mention which machine it was for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by applor View Post
    Hey guys I just bought a Preciso as well and I am yet to use it. I was wondering if someone can give me an idea on what grind setting I should start at?
    I am using a sunbeam 6910 with VST 18g basket and fresh dibella beans.

    All the Preciso's are meant to be more or less exactly the same as each other - so if I can save some coffee by starting off at whatever setting you guys use, that would be great!
    They are all different from factory so just get yours grinding to something that feels close to very fine sand and adjust from there,

    The grinders can be calibrated by the owners to suit your needs, if you go to the Baratza website and look under troubleshooting then under grinding to fine or to coarse you can down load the calibration instructions,

    When I got mine I had to go down to a macro 2 for espresso grind, I have since calibrated it and now I have it set on macro 6

    Mine is still grinding and I have had no problems with it.

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    I have my Precisio set on 9 macro, half-way micro. I'm loving the results.
    The Baratza website suggests a starting point of 8 for espresso. :: Baratza | Grind Settings ::Baratza

    I like the micro-adjustments. I notice an obvious difference by changing just 2 slots of the micro adjustment. 4 or 5 slots of micro really alters the extraction time. I'm glad the micro-adjusting lever is there - compared with the Baratza Virtuoso

    As Cadan noted, there are some really good troubleshooting pdf's on the Baratza website. Diagnosing problems is not too difficult by following them.

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    Glad I checked back and read this thread.
    I used my Preciso this morning and after a few shots I've got it set to the finest grind possible (macro 1) and its barely fine enough.

    I thought my unit was faulty and I would need to send it back but it sounds like I just need to calibrate it?
    I'll see how I go!

    I will also add I am happy with how fast it grinds and how static free the grinds are!
    I find the portafilter holder doesn't work so well though - the chute is too far back and half the grinds end up in the bottom of the container.
    I found it easier to just use the normal container and pour the grinds into the portafilter instead.

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    I'm confused.

    Why would a client with no expertise need or be expected to "calibrate" a piece of equipment that should be fit for purpose straight up out of the box & require no more than a simple grind adjustment?
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    I ended up buying a Preciso the other day. Did a first grind at 8F and thought from the feel it would be pretty close to the mark (for espresso). Lot fluffier than I'm used to from the Porlex hand grinder, making the basket overfilled and grooming a lot easier.

    Well that grind went through in about 10 seconds! Funny thing is I actually enjoyed it so really looking forward to dialing this in over the next few coffees.

    I wouldn't even it call it calibration, and no expertise is needed-- it's just a simple screw that either goes in a coarse, medium or fine hole to shift the range more in that way. I'm glad they made this extra adjustment available rather than just limiting the grinder to a narrower range. I'm glad they just didn't make the entire range of the burrs accessible via the macro/minor dials as 440 steps in a narrower range means finer steps.

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    Initial impressions

    Pros

    • Fast shipping from Five Senses, next day from Melbourne to NSW regional. Meanwhile an in-stock item I ordered from another well-known coffee mob in Melbourne 8 days ago still hasn't arrived, nor did they respond to a pre-sales question.
    • Heavier and not as flimsy as I was expecting for the price. Feels good.
    • Not as toyish looking as it can appear in pictures. Compact, trim, bits not hanging off everywhere making it easy to store away in a cupboard.
    • Fast. I thought I wouldn't have the patience to wait for the times I've heard about with other grinders in the same class, but this thing more than satisfies me.
    • Grinding bin - no mess. I use that when the wife is around or handhold and spin the basket when she's out. Slight static and clumping with the bin but no big deal.
    • Grind retention - very minimal, a few tenths of a gram if that. Great for hopper dosing. A tap on the machine smacks most of that out too.
    • Servicing - A very simple and serviceable machine, a definite positive over the Smart Grinder I was also considering. Parts appear easy to get and at very reasonably prices, repair instructions are clear, well illustrated and readily downloadable for free. No need to send in for service.
    • Price
    • Compact - no bits hanging off everywhere, very small footprint, easy to store away.


    Cons

    • Not the most pleasant grinding sound, but I wouldn't say unreasonably loud.
    • Macro scale: labelling should have started at 0, not 1, as there are 10 steps to 10, not 9. Macro #5 for instance would be different depending on whether you counted down from the 10 marking or up from the 1.
    • Plastic adjustment components and drive train will fail with good use eventually. I'd actually prefer that they are plastic however, enabling me to afford this grinder.


    Neutral

    • Definitely more appliance looking rather than industrial.
    • Power cable is pretty long, a plus for some, a negative for others.



    The temperature issue

    One or two reviews of the Preciso commented on the heat generated during grinding potentially being an issue. I'm not consistent or tuned enough to comment on whether heat negatively (or positively) affects taste, but I did measure that an 18g grind (about 10 seconds) caused the grinds to heat up from 25C to 31C. It was noticeable to the touch but really only just.

    31
    C probably sounds like no big deal considering a hotter day could do the same, but this was the temperature of the grounds after the grind had finished. Individual grains during the process would have hit higher temperatures for the average to be 31 after. This grind however was way too fine for espresso (setting: 1-F with macro starting at 0) choking a 20g beverage out in 40 seconds before I cut it. I expect this temperature rise to reduce significantly as I home in on a looser grind.


    Summary

    Definitely happy with the purchase so far. I have no delusions that it will last forever. I can't comment on the quality of the grind but the positive opinions of others and its good grind profile don't have me thinking I should have waited until I could afford a more expensive unit. I value the features it does have (like the grinding bin and small footprint) more than its build quality.
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    Baratza Preciso

    Thanks for the review. Can you link to the service manuals? I'm interested in this to replace my aging 480, which has enough spindle play to make for a very uneven grind.

    Curious as to the spindle support methods in the Preciso.

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    Repair instructions are filed by problem, here

    From the Gear replacement doc and gear drive replacement part I suspect spindle flop will be an issue with this grinder over time as well, possibly any cheap grinder without top support of the spindle. 15USD for the replacement kit is nice to know though.

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    Curiosity got the better of me and I had a look around to see what this grinder actually was.

    Maybe it's fuzzy memory, but this to me looks like a souped up version of an old Solis which retailed <$200- rebranded.... It was sold under a couple of other brand names as well. Presumably, they have attended to some of the other limitations of the old one.

    I'll be really interested to see what the track record of these is in a couple of years....

    My opinion? The Breville is better value when it comes to appliance grinders and I suspect it will be just as long lived. Regardless, my money would still buy a small commercial Macap M2/Compak K3P etc and I'd save a little extra to do it. They don't break so repair instructions are not needed..
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    Re: Baratza Preciso

    So how was it to use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
    So how was it to use?
    The Solis?

    The Solis was rubbish.

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    From what I read, Baratza designed and built a grinder in 2001 that Solis put their badge on, calling it the Maestro. Baratza also designed a better spec'd machine which Solis sold as the Maestro Plus. Baratza went on to evolve the Maestro Plus into the Baratza Encore, that is currently sold for half what the Preciso does ($163). The Virtuoso is the next step up from the Encore (better burrs) and then the Preciso another step up with again better burrs, finer steps and a greater grind range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    The Solis?

    The Solis was rubbish.
    No the Baratza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
    So how was it to use?
    A lot easier than that Porlex hand grinder! I don't have any experience with other electric grinders to compare it to, but I can say I am yet to come across anything annoying. It does what I expected.

    The minimal grind retention allowed me to dose straight into the hopper which was nice. The final bean or two get chewed up pretty quick whereas I could easily imagine them to bounce around, avoiding their death without other beans pushing them down. I don't use the timer dial on the side.

    I don't use the Portafilter holder so can't comment there. Holding the basket right up against the chute while slowly rotating it gave a fluffy, clumpless distribution. It's nice not to have portafilter holders in the way actually. For those going between espresso and other brewing methods, I could imagine its ability to quickly swap out the portafilter holder for the grinding bin to be very handy.

    I also grind into the bin and then pour into the basket--that does clump a little, but a milk pitcher like swirl while tipping seemed to mostly kill the clumps and defeat the static at the same time.

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    Curious to hear if anyone has owned both this grinder and a rocky and how they compare?

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    Re: Baratza Preciso

    Quote Originally Posted by Semillon View Post
    Curious to hear if anyone has owned both this grinder and a rocky and how they compare?
    I just want to hear what Talk Coffee thought of actual usage of this grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
    I just want to hear what Talk Coffee thought of actual usage of this grinder.
    Clearly he hasn't used one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesM View Post
    Clearly he hasn't used one.
    Nope, not possible. I'm not prepared to purchase one as I feel they're overpriced for what they are!

    I know for a fact that the importer (non-sponsor) sets an unrealistic wholesale price with a tiny margin. This makes it a waste of time to purchase them in wholesale quantities with a view to reselling them. As it is illegal to refuse supply, they effectively create a monopoly and capture the importer and reseller margin for themselves. They do this with their espresso machines too. I know this as I was personally refused supply.

    If they'd like to send one of their grinders over for review, I'll gladly do it at my hourly rate. Seems only fair.

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    heh, sneaky. I was talking to Jono at Dimattina a few weeks ago about exactly this, he was personally in the market for a Baratza and was shocked that the cheapest he could get wholesale was still more than importer's retail price. He ended up just buying from the importer/retailer at the 10%-off "mates rates" cost.

    it is a monopoly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    If they'd like to send one of their grinders over for review, I'll gladly do it at my hourly rate. Seems only fair.
    There are already a huge number of videos, reviews and posts online to be able to get a good idea of how suitable it is for any particular user.

    A review from a dealer who doesn't sell it and dislikes the importers would mean little, we're not that silly.

    I received this grinder in a day, interstate, regional. The ordering process was smooth, many companies fail here already. It was sent the day I ordered. The price was published online, not this "Call dealer for price" stuff. I like this and will probably look on their site first for other goods in future.

    I ordered from another well known dealer just prior, same distance away, comparable postage cost. 7 days after they told me it had been shipped, I started tracking it down, visiting the post office, intercepting the postie, calling Australia Post. Finally contacting the dealer they told me there were delays in sending. Fail. Gone.

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    Excellent- they should employ you Simon....if they don't already

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    I get the feeling they already seem to be running smoothly.

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    preciso

    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    I get the feeling they already seem to be running smoothly.
    if you could call waiting for a return call for 3 to 4 days running smooth i think not

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    Omar doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm Simon.... CoffeeGeek - Baratza Virtuoso Preciso - Omar B's Review
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
    Omar doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm Simon.... CoffeeGeek - Baratza Virtuoso Preciso - Omar B's Review
    I think he does actually, company really nice, machine operated really nice (when it worked). That's all I've been enthusiastic about. I'm well aware some people have had issues, hence the Baratza thread I started last week mentioning another review even worse than Omar's. Those two reviewers also had older machines, the gearing has been revised now.

    There are 13 other happy reviews there too. Pick any grinder and if it's popular enough, there will be issues posted.

    I'd just rather have a grinder with a 20% failure rate that meets my specs and has easy access to cheap parts than one that doesn't meet my specs, costs more and requires me to mail the thing back to a dealer if things go wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    ..... I'd just rather have a grinder with a 20% failure rate that meets my specs and has easy access to cheap parts than one that doesn't meet my specs, costs more and requires me to mail the thing back to a dealer if things go wrong.....
    Simon I'm glad you are happy with your choice and it would be strange indeed for a new owner of whatever equipment not to be happy with his choice.

    I think at this point however it will be pertinent to mention, that I for one am in utter disbelief of your choice of justifications.

    Happy to accept say, a 20% failure rate, to get availability of cheap parts, so that DIY repairs can be effected, so as not to have to send equipment back to base?

    When for very few more dollars, equipment can be purchased that is known to have virtually a ZERO % failure rate, virtually no need of spare parts (cheap, expensive or otherwise), and is therefore unlikely except over a period of a great many years to have to go back to base anyway?

    Its your money and you can do whatever you like with it, but I'm not following the logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    I think he does actually, company really nice, machine operated really nice (when it worked). That's all I've been enthusiastic about.
    He rated the grinder a '2' out of 10 for quality, '5' overall, and a 'no' for 'would buy again?'....might be pushing it to be described as 'enthusiasm', but fair enough, he had some kind words to say about the service from the manufacturer. To each their own, I guess.

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    Re: Baratza Preciso

    Sorry but was I the only one who saw someone slagging off this product because the distributor screwed them around? That like getting rejected by a girl and creating rumours that she's a slut.

    So unprofessional, but it's ok cos he's a sponsor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
    Sorry but was I the only one who saw someone slagging off this product because the distributor screwed them around? That like getting rejected by a girl and creating rumours that she's a slut.

    So unprofessional, but it's ok cos he's a sponsor.
    Charming turn of phrase. Probably not quite necessary.

    Would you care to quote the post that 'slags off' the 'product' for that reason? There's certainly one post (#31), in response to your direct query, that has a red hot go at the distributor's behaviour, and states that because of that behaviour, the grinder isn't worth buying at wholesale price. And, there are certainly other posts from sponsors and others having a go at the (apparent) reliability of the grinder. You seem to have drawn a line of causation that is possible, but ain't necessarily there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffie View Post
    Sorry but was I the only one who saw someone slagging off this product because the distributor screwed them around? That like getting rejected by a girl and creating rumours that she's a slut.

    So unprofessional, but it's ok cos he's a sponsor.
    Jeffie- It's illegal in Australia to refuse supply. The importer can "legally" do this by setting a wholesale price which is at or near to the retail price so that nobody will buy it and he can have a monopoly. Now if you think that's appropriate and professional behaviour, go ahead and direct your criticism at the rest of us who choose to run ethical businesses. The importer has no competition so he might double his money- maybe more. So let's speculate.... He might pay $150/unit and charge the purchaser $330 on something which should sell at a significantly lower price. Fair? Reasonable?

    For your information- not that it's actually any of your business, we have never approached the importer on this grinder because my opinion is that it's no better than the Breville which I can buy a whole lot cheaper if I choose. I have no interest in stocking is as it is merely another appliance- which the biggies don't sell. We did approach on an espresso machine some years ago and received a refusal. Others have experienced the same treatment.

    For mine, this thread reeks of a stacked deck. My BS detector went off a long time ago.
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    What a hornets nest!

    Ive had a look at the reviews on both breville smart grinder and baratza and at least with the baratza its widely agreed it can grind well.

    But with the breville there are lots of reports that it wont grind fine enough for esspresso and people swap them out for new in the hope of a better set of burrs.

    Plus the breville looks like a small version of my food processor.

    Also not sure where you are coming from on wholesale purchase of the Baratza chris: to my way of thinking the importer has decided not to generally make it available through other retailers and hence keeps that price high and not attractive to you. As the sole imported surely that is their decision, not necessarily unprofessional, just commercial. And their motive is to protect the brand: they realize if you have just one on the shelf you can use it to cross sell to your preferred brands with higher margin. Or they have low margin on it in the first place.

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    Well just my luck, it looks like I got a bad one.

    I have done the calibration procedure and set my grinder to the finest possible setting with the screw.
    I have also set the grinder to the finest grind possible for macro and micro adjustments.

    Still not grinding fine enough. The shot on my EM6910 sat just at the start of the yellow zone, shot was done in under 10 seconds.

    Not happy!

    Having said that, the coffee did taste just as good as my properly calibrated slow shot with my old EM0450.

    Looks like I'm going to have to box it back up and send it back to 5 senses ><

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    Baratza Preciso

    That's a pain, applor. I had the same thing with one of the Sunbeam grinders I bought early in my coffee adventure - but it was to be expected at that price (and bought from a chain store).

    I'm surprised the Baratza isn't tested at 5 Senses before they send them out. If problems like this are common, don't you think some pre-delivery would be a good idea (especially at this price point)?

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    Baratza Preciso

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Jeffie- It's illegal in Australia to refuse supply.
    Chris

    I'm curious which of the illegal refusal to supply reasons you're referring to, as opposed to the perfectly legal refusal to supply reasons?

    Examples of legal reasons include: they don't like dealing with you (hard to believe), they don't think you have sufficient knowledge to sell their product (clearly unlikely), they already supply to a retailer close by (possible), etc.

    Illegal reasons include that they think you'll sell it at less than their RRP.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by applor View Post
    Well just my luck, it looks like I got a bad one.

    I have done the calibration procedure and set my grinder to the finest possible setting with the screw.
    I have also set the grinder to the finest grind possible for macro and micro adjustments.

    Still not grinding fine enough. The shot on my EM6910 sat just at the start of the yellow zone, shot was done in under 10 seconds.

    Not happy!

    Having said that, the coffee did taste just as good as my properly calibrated slow shot with my old EM0450.

    Looks like I'm going to have to box it back up and send it back to 5 senses ><
    This guide is on the Baratza site. Might help with your issue - http://www.baratza.com/wp-content/up...lity-Issue.pdf

    Seems to be quite a few guides for different issues. One says "How to upgrade to the GB2.0 gearbox". Hmmm. Obviously issues with the V1?

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    Baratza Preciso

    I'm no expert on grinders, but the while calibration thing seems a little unusual? If it was a high end grinder that expert users would use then I'd understand, but clearly the Preciso is aimed at relatively novice users.

    Are there many other grinders out there with these calibration issues? Indeed is it a real issue? Or is it a storm in a teacup, like how some people get upset because their rocky's true zero isn't zero?

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    For an extra $100 or so why not invest in a Rocky, no plastic parts to wear and flex and with a little care will still be grinding coffee as it was meant to in 10 years time.
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