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    Mazzer robur

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    Hi all
    Just wondering if I could get some help, I'm looking at a mazzer robur,
    It's a couple of years old and it's a doser.
    Cosmetically it's in fair condition .
    Just wondering a ball park figure of what I should be paying..
    It's an ex cafe .
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    It has 5600 shots on the counter.

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    Is there no body out there that can tell me,
    I didn't want to commit if it was going to be over priced..
    C'mon help a fellow csnober out..
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    How much are they asking for it and what does it run/grind like? looks like they're around $3000 new.

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    How many times has it gone 'round the clock?

    I can't imagine a cafe would pull 600 shots in 2 years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    How many times has it gone 'round the clock?

    I can't imagine a cafe would pull 600 shots in 2 years....
    That's 5600 Chris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    That's 5600 Dennis.
    ..or 15600...0r 255600 etc...

    It's Chris, Jon.... Been in the sun too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    ..or 15600...0r 255600 etc...

    It's Chris, Jon.... Been in the sun too much?
    Always makes me smile when ppl get our names mixed up Chris. I think it's a sign of shared affection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    ..or 15600...0r 255600 etc...

    It's Chris, Jon.... Been in the sun too much?
    Sorry Chris, I'm embarrassed, too much Christmas cheer, old timers, whatever, anyhow I've rectified it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
    Always makes me smile when ppl get our names mixed up Chris. I think it's a sign of shared affection.
    Yep, I love ya all.

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    Cafe owners almost never sell a grinder and in most cases they dont own them because they belong to their coffee supplier, often their ex coffee supplier, who hasnt yet for whatever reason picked up the grinder.....

    This is an expensive piece of kit that lasts an aweful long time so I would be suspicious of anyone selling one especially after only 2 years.

    Buyer beware....ask to see the vendor's proof of purchase and verify that he has the authority to represent whoever is noted as the buyer on the invoice.

    No proof of purchase / invoice, no deal.

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    It's actually from a supplier , and it's exactly what fresh coffee said.
    And it will come with an invoice .
    I just wanted to make sure I'm getting a decent machine and the price is right.
    Jason..

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    Commercial usage and a couple of years old in fair condition (as you described)

    $1000 cheap
    $1500 ok
    $2000 too much

    What's it worth to you is the real question to its "worth".

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    Here is a pic of it.
    These things are supposed to be work horses ,
    I'm going to pull it apart and mod it and put my touch to it.
    I'm a custom car fabricator so I like to pull things apart and change them up a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaked_flatop View Post
    Here is a pic of it.
    These things are supposed to be work horses ,
    I'm going to pull it apart and mod it and put my touch to it.
    I'm a custom car fabricator so I like to pull things apart and change them up a little.

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    Gees its had a hard life! My Kony I just bought had 3500 on the counter and is flawless in every respect. That grinder looks hammered!!

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    I'm not worried about what it looks like because I'm going to pull it apart .
    My main concern is that I'm getting it at a or a good price,
    And the machine will function without it having to cost ne more money,apart from the burrs
    And I got him down to $1200

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    Hard to tell if the comment in post #15 is tongue in cheek or not. Its a high volume commercial grinder and in the only photo of it I can see in the link, in the context of its usage category, it looks to be in almost "as new" condition. That's not tongue in cheek. Grinders in cafes cop a fair hiding and in most cases regardless of how they look (very often not good), they pretty much keep on keeping on mechanically and do the job.

    The price that anyone here thinks is good or fair is not particularly relevant to you. We know what the RRP would be if you were to buy one new. When budgeting, you might deduct 20% from the RRP which would be an educated representation of the trade price that a trader would have paid, and after that whatever you and the selling trader are comfortable with is the "fair" price. Anything else will do nothing more than throw a spanner in your works which is to get what you want for a price you are confortable with, not what others say you *should* get it for...

    Because of the longevity of good quality grinders, I am mistified as to why a trader would sell one of these for such a low price, when he will just have to turn around and buy another to replace it for a much higher price.....it doesnt make any business sense to me. My interpretation then would be that its a steal at the price you are getting it for and if it were me I would race over & grab it before he changes his mind.

    Good luck with it.
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    Fresh coffee
    The guy is selling me a machine as a favour, as my friend is one of his best customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaked_flatop View Post
    Fresh coffee
    The guy is selling me a machine as a favour, as my friend is one of his best customers.
    Why all the vacillating Jason? sounds like a good price, the guy is doing you a favour, and you obviously wan't it.
    As a (custom car fabricator) you obviously have the skills needed to assess it mechanically, compared to a car they are a pretty simple device.
    You don't need to convince us it's a good deal, get in there and buy it.

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    Then you can give it 15 coats of orange pearl metallic, 10 coast of clear, and drop it down to the weeds! Sick bro!
    Go for it at that price :-)
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    Yelta
    You are right, I am going ahead with it, the only thing that was
    Putting me off was that I was weighing up if it was worth me spending
    The same money and getting a near new major e
    Or going with the hard worked rober doser .
    But at the end if the day, even though the robur was worked its still
    A robur and they are built for doing just that.
    So I'm going with it.
    Can any of you tell me if the body on these grinders are made out of
    Aluminium ? Because if it is I'm going to strip the machine and polish it.
    Also I would like to thank everybody for their input and advice.
    It's funny my grinder ended up costing more than my machine...
    Here is a pic of my machine...
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    And no the lever is not mine, I'm polishing it up for a friend
    And it's not for sale...
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    And not I'm not using illy .
    At the moment I'm using aroma single origin.
    Not bad, good with milk, but not 100% as an espresso but that could be my grinders fault.

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    yep all current model Mazzer espresso grinders have cast aluminium bodies.

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    Just an opinion but I wouldnt go the polished aluminium route. In this day and age with everything chrome, stainless or polished, its pretty ordinary and shows up all dirt, fingerprints etc . You have to be scrupulously clean or it looks bad. In a way, that is why the "common" commercial silver on the grinder is so good as it is very forgiving of all manner of crud that gets on the body in use. As someone else noted above, you're apparently in "the game" so I would be for a really smick paint job.

    But hey I understand its your grinder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post
    Hard to tell if the comment in post #15 is tongue in cheek or not. Its a high volume commercial grinder and in the only photo of it I can see in the link, in the context of its usage category, it looks to be in almost "as new" condition. That's not tongue in cheek. Grinders in cafes cop a fair hiding and in most cases regardless of how they look (very often not good), they pretty much keep on keeping on mechanically and do the job.

    The price that anyone here thinks is good or fair is not particularly relevant to you. We know what the RRP would be if you were to buy one new. When budgeting, you might deduct 20% from the RRP which would be an educated representation of the trade price that a trader would have paid, and after that whatever you and the selling trader are comfortable with is the "fair" price. Anything else will do nothing more than throw a spanner in your works which is to get what you want for a price you are confortable with, not what others say you *should* get it for...

    Because of the longevity of good quality grinders, I am mistified as to why a trader would sell one of these for such a low price, when he will just have to turn around and buy another to replace it for a much higher price.....it doesnt make any business sense to me. My interpretation then would be that its a steal at the price you are getting it for and if it were me I would race over & grab it before he changes his mind.

    Good luck with it.
    Not tounge in cheek at all. Its all scratched down the side and chipped as hell on the front. That grinder looks like its done more than the 5600 on the counter. And as such the potential purchaser will know what to pay. as far as your assesment "as new", are you serious???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AREXTwo View Post
    Not tounge in cheek at all. Its all scratched down the side and chipped as hell on the front. That grinder looks like its done more than the 5600 on the counter. And as such the potential purchaser will know what to pay. as far as your assesment "as new", are you serious???
    Cosmetic only, as Jason indicated he has the skills to rectify that without a great deal of effort, it's how it grinds coffee that's important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Cosmetic only, as Jason indicated he has the skills to rectify that without a great deal of effort, it's how it grinds coffee that's important.
    The guy asked for help to establish what to pay for the said grinder. The only credible item to give any indication of its value and age condition is a single photograph. With that in mind, I would place this grinder at the low end of the price scale and hope that the internals are, regardless of the poor cosmetic presentation, performing admirably. Just trying to help the author make an informed decision

    Btw there is a brand new Mazzer Robur E on ebay for $2786 plus $40 shipping
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    I can see arextwo s point,
    About the cosmetic appearance must mean
    That its done some yards, but the guy is reassuring me
    That the counter has not gone around the clock.
    He has 4 of them and the other ones have more clicks on the counter
    But are in better cosmetic condition ,
    But I would prefer one that performs better than what it looks,
    Because I can rectify that without having to spend money.
    I will be going there in Monday and I will look at all 4 of them,
    And pick the best one.
    Also he is not selling the others, I tried to buy them all off
    Him so I could fix them up and sell them off,
    So my one could end up costing me less..
    I'll keep you all posted with what happens..
    Jason..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AREXTwo View Post
    .......as far as your assesment "as new", are you serious???......
    Yes. For a cafe grinder that has been out in the field.
    Last edited by Fresh_Coffee; 9th January 2013 at 01:56 PM.

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    Hi all
    I got my grinder today,
    I got to choose the best out if 4.
    Can anyone tell me exactly how old it is ?
    I have a pic if the tag on it.
    Also pulled it apart a bit today and gave it a quick
    Clean, the burrs seem pretty good... I think...
    Anyway I'm putting up some pics tell me what you think..
    Thanks again..
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    Here is a pic in its new house, I'm very happy with it.
    Now I understand what all the fuss is about these grinders,
    I will never go back....
    I pulled it apart yesterday these things are built like tanks...

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    From the latest photos it looks like those "scratches" AREX mentioned were more reflections of objects on the bench counter. Looks "as new" to me. Nice one.

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    Clearly it is not the same grinder photographed at the start of this thread, as he stated he got to pick the best of four. They were not reflections my friend take a closer look

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaked_flatop View Post
    Here is a pic in its new house, I'm very happy with it.
    Now I understand what all the fuss is about these grinders,
    I will never go back....
    I pulled it apart yesterday these things are built like tanks...

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    This grinder looks much better, what did it cost?

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    No it's not the same as the first pic I put up.
    I choose the best out of 4 of them that they had.
    I got it for the same money as mentioned before.
    I'm going to leave it for now , when I get some free time
    I will strip it and either plolish it or give it a paint job..
    What do you guys think if the burrs? The condition ?
    And how can I find out exactly how old it is ?
    Thanks..
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    Quote Originally Posted by flaked_flatop View Post
    No it's not the same as the first pic I put up.
    I choose the best out of 4 of them that they had.
    I got it for the same money as mentioned before.
    I'm going to leave it for now , when I get some free time
    I will strip it and either plolish it or give it a paint job..
    What do you guys think if the burrs? The condition ?
    And how can I find out exactly how old it is ?


    Thanks..
    Jason..
    Sorry missed the price above, well done looks great for that money I'm sure it performs well too

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    So don't any of you know how old my grinder is?
    I have put a pic up of the tag on it.
    I just wanted to know its age..
    Thanks..
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    looks fine - it's a 2010 build

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialpants View Post
    looks fine - it's a 2010 build
    Thank you very much

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    Not sure if anyone can help, prob the worst thing I did, when I got my new grinder I also tried a new coffee, my coffee s have been worst ever since then.
    I know a lot of you will say negative stuff about the coffee I'm using right now, I thought I would give it a go....
    I'm using molinari, I'm getting really good crema, but the coffee was tasting really burnt and bitter, I was pulling 25 sec shot at 30ml, my water temp is good and the pressure is about 10 bar.
    I'm using an espro tamp the spring loaded one 30lbs.
    So I was reading all over the net last night and apparently I have a blond gusher....
    So it was about 10:30 last night I got the grinder out and cut the bottom of my pf, yes I know very budgie, but I was pissed off so I didn't care, I tried the Weiss dist tech helped a little, I have been playing with my grind going up and down and still no luck. If anyone can help me out, I would really appreciate it. Also I would like to do a barista course, does anyone know the best place to go in Sydney ?
    I'll try and post up a vid of last nights disaster , tell me where I can improve things,
    Thanks again.
    Jason....

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    When adjusting the grind setting on a Robur you will have to run about 3x20 gm doses through
    before the new setting becomes apparent. You should also purge the grind path with fresh grinds before each session
    and discard the 30gm or so of retained and therefore stale grinds.
    10 bar brew pressure is high if it's maintained throughout the whole pour but I'm not familiar with that machine.
    The gauge may read higher than the actual pressure at the group, so your 10 bar may be ok.
    9 bar is normal but a fast pour won't give bitter/burnt flavour, it will show sour.
    Bitter/burnt sounds more like the roast.

    I'd get some beans from Andy, quality of roast is without question, so that can be eliminated.
    Purge your grinder with an empty hopper then put some beans in, grind, dose and pour a shot.
    If it's pouring fast and blonding, adjust the grinder a couple of centimetres finer. Run 3 shots through the grinder,
    discard grinds, then do another pour.

    What you are looking to do is jam the pour so it's either just dripping or not at all.
    Once you've gone over the mark, adjust the grind back 'til the pour is satisfactory, one shot at a time,
    remembering to purge after each adjustment. Having bought a Robur, grind retention is something
    you have to work with but once you find your zone, waste can be minimised.
    If you are into weighing your dose (I don't) then weigh once you have found the sweet spot,
    don't be distracted by preconceived notions about the exact weight that you think might be right.
    Get the pour and the taste right first.

    I would buy (at least) a 1x1kg bag of the same coffee to get the feel of your new grinder.
    Last edited by chokkidog; 20th January 2013 at 10:45 AM. Reason: add thoughts re brew pressure/technique

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    Well, being left to state the obvious as usual, this is what can happen when you buy equipment intended for a min say of 10 kg or 1000 cups a day, to make 4 cups a day.

    And, a good example of how a bunch of apparently "high level" (?) tech specs OR doing everything according to best OR expected "forum spec" doesnt necessarily add up to good brew.

    The answer was provided straight up in the question / quote "....Not sure if anyone can help, prob the worst thing I did, when I got my new grinder I also tried a new coffee, my coffee s have been worst ever since then.
    I know a lot of you will say negative stuff about the coffee I'm using right now, I thought I would give it a go...."
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    Here is a vid, so you get an idea.
    I have been taking out at least 30gms or more when I change grind settings
    And I used a different coffee last night and same results.

    IMG_4402_zps1f3d143f.mp4 video by flaked_flatop | Photobucket

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    Impossible to judge anything from that. If you wish to video, suggest instead to brew coffee in a regular group handle with double filter and spouts, showing the flow from the spouts into the cup.

    Chokkidog has given good technical advice overall however a couple of things to note are:
    a) good coffee supply is not just restricted to CoffeeSnobs shop (there are sponsors here that roast and supply excellent coffee even if we dont get right into internet sales of such....that is to say, good coffee doesnt start and end in the CoffeeSnobs brand shop) and
    b) in any case irrespective of the good technical advice from CD, as previously stated you already answered the question during the course of asking the question, which is to purchase beans suitable for the market here and or the level of coffee making you are aspiring to.
    Last edited by Fresh_Coffee; 20th January 2013 at 12:05 PM. Reason: grammar (a thing of the past so you might not understand)

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    Point taken FC!! I'll be less partisan in future and send a bag of my coffee!! ;-)
    But you're right, well roasted coffee comes from many sources and by all reports, your good self! 8-)

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    Thanks for the advice, I have gone back to my old coffee
    Aroma single origin it's about 20 days old now.
    And I'll do another vid in a clear glass so you can get a better view.
    Jason..

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    Also should I pull the shot with the hacked naked pf?
    Or should I just use a normal 2 spout?
    Jason

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    Quote Originally Posted by flaked_flatop View Post
    Also should I pull the shot with the hacked naked pf?
    Or should I just use a normal 2 spout?
    Jason
    Remember the old saying FF, only make one change at a time, that way it's easy to pin down the source of improvements.
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    There are a multitude of opinions about using chopped group handles, especially by those that say they use it as a diagnostic tool to analyse everything and anything about their brewing technique.

    I prefer to use the standard tools, and view the nudie as a great talking piece that makes a pour look fantastic if you watch it from below. After that?

    You can use anything you want.....as long as you can make sense of whatever it is telling you.

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    Like Yelta mentions, FF, one change at a time.
    A 20 day old roast will pour differently from a 10 day old roast.
    To eliminate this variable, purchase your coffee by roast date plus (say) 14-18 days ( when you might expect it to
    be consumed by).
    Not knowing your rate of use, here is an example at 2+2 cups/day with a 20 gm dose per cup:
    2x2/day = 80gms + 2x30 gm purge = 140gms per day + 10% waste, about 150 gms/day or 2.1 kgs/fn,
    this includes 840 gms of waste! If you pour two shots from 1xdose it's 100gms /day with more wasted coffee than used coffee!
    And if you have guests........or need to redial the grinder............

    Good coffee never seems to last long anyway and if you're operating in a narrower window of
    roast age it will mean less fiddling and less waste going from 20+ day old, to 5, or so, day old beans.

    I have an opinion about what you might do, given your stated skills but will only post or pm at your invitation.

    Cheers.



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