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    Mazzer Vs Macap

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    I'm looking for a grinder to sit on the kitchen bench next to my ECM, and have read dozens of threads, looked at reviews and even seen youtube comparisons.

    The problem is that noone seems to clearly favour one over the other (which means both machines are equally good or bad at the same things)...

    So,

    I'm after some feedback from people who use these machines in a commercial environment who can state the pros & cons of the machine they use daily.

    My target machine is a Mazzer mini with manual doser, or the Macap M4 / M5

    I'm not sure any electronic doser version would prove itself to be worth the added expense, but if someone has experience, please share that info.

    Lastly, $$$.

    Who / Where is the best place to purchase one (i'm halfway between sydney & the gong) ?

    If anyone has a valid reason for not purchasing either of these models, please provide your recommendation and why.

    TIA

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    G'day Joe,
    I haven't had any experience with a Mazzer, but I've onwed 2 Macaps, one being a doser M4 and an M7D. They're both good grinders, but for different reasons.
    I think that you hit the nail on the head when you mention that no one favours one over the other, they're both superbly manufactured grinders and will give you a lifetime of use if they're looked after. I think the decision between the two would come down to personal preference in relation to use and looks.
    When you say that you're after feedback from people who use these grinders in a commercial environment, do you mean those that use your target grinders (Mini or Macap M4/5), or other model grinders from these two manufacturers?
    As for recommendations where to buy, there's a few site sponsors in Sydney and one in Canberra who I'm sure would be able to take care of you. Make sure you try each grinder out, you might find the ergonomics of one suits you better over the other.
    All the best with your purchase and if you need any more help, please question away.
    Steve.
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    No experience with the Macap's Joe, however bought a Mazzer Mini new a couple of years ago and am very happy with it.

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    Very happy with my Macap M4 - clean, pretty quiet, reliable, looks good.
    I think with these two, you could almost make your decision on looks alone - neither will disappoint on quality ;-)
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    .... you could.... make your decision on looks alone - neither will disappoint on quality ;-)
    Matt
    Choose which one you like best for whatever reason, and buy it, as they have an equivalent standard of design, build and finish, with pros and cons in either. That said, make sure you are comparing equivalent models to eachother.

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    I was in your shoes last year, deciding between a Mazzer Mini and a Macap M4. Heard nothing but good things about both of them, so in the end, the deciding factor was the type of drink that I normally consume--espresso based drinks.
    I like the idea of fine-tuning espresso shots with the worm-drive on the Macap and I don't have other brewing methods at home that require constant changing of grind fineness, so I went with the Macap. Vice versa if you plan to regularly change your grind different brewing methods, Mazzer Mini might be the one to go for.
    Other than the above reason, it really was just down to looks, and my girlfriend likes the looks of the Macap :P
    Unfortunately I'm not familiar with which site sponsors are in NSW. I bought mine from Chris at Talk Coffee and had it delivered all the way to Perth

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    Thanks for the replies guys,

    Have any of you had any issues with your grinders?

    Are there any particular things about them which you find annoying or have modified to better suit your particular use?

    I would also consider a Mazzer major or Super Jolly as well as an M7 I could realistically afford $1200 max, but for that kind of money it'd want to be perfect and not require any modifications to help 'improve' the performance.

    My desired machine will have a doser, preferably manual (no extra electronics to go wrong) no hideous tamper on the front and stepless grind. Both Macap & mazzer could fit this requirement.

    Does anyone have anything good to say about the electronic dosers on the mazzer ??

    And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeB View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys,

    Have any of you had any issues with your grinders?
    Yes, drinking way more coffees now, my week day intake has doubled and weekend intake has tripled

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeB View Post
    Are there any particular things about them which you find annoying or have modified to better suit your particular use?
    Not a thing

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    Does anyone have anything good to say about the electronic dosers on the mazzer ??
    I find it very accurate and reliable

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeB View Post
    And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?)
    Dunno but suspect it's to do with the quality components, design and workmanship which are built to last unlike just about everything else built on the cheap these days.
    I personally think they are worth the price premium as you buy once and are set for years.
    All you need to do is lift one up and soon realize that they are not a cheap piece of equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeB View Post
    ......And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?).....
    They are not home use grinders, and are built to withstand the rigours of working in large volume cafe business, and keep going day in and day out with little fuss. So yes, they are worth the price premium.....if that is your intended use.

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    I am often asked to choose between Mazzer and Macap as well.

    For M4 v Mazzer mini-manual, you really can choose whichever you like. My answer is usually along the lines of whichever one I tripped over in the warehouse first!

    At M4D v Mini-electronic level, it's M4D all the way for me. The M4D works beautifully and is 2x as quick as a Mini-E. We should really be comparing the M4D against the Super Jolly-E, but that's a pricier grinder and my gut tells me that the M4D still wins on speed (just) - so for me, M4D all the way.

    Lots of CS'ers own the M4D. They don't come up for sale very often at all with only a handful ever listed here. For me, that says that those who have them generally love them.

    Hope that helps you Joe.

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    Hi, TC's reply and many of the others say the same thing, there is no wrong choice there. I own the M4D after having basically the same conversation with C @TC. I was swaying towards the MMe but when with the Macap, no regrets at all, would by again in a heart beat. The logical upgrade for me would be to a super sized conical and while I am a CS I still DO NOT want a grinder to be the first thing you notice when you step into our kitchen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeB View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys,

    Have any of you had any issues with your grinders?
    No, they've both been fantastic.

    Are there any particular things about them which you find annoying or have modified to better suit your particular use?
    I did have a play with my M4 doser to try and make it sweep a bit cleaner, but in all reality it was very good in standard configuration. I've made a shorter hopper for my M7D so it fits under the kitchen cabinets, no other functionality mods done.

    And lastly, why are the conical burr grinders so stupidly expensive? (are they worth the price premium?)
    From my basic understanding a planar burr grinder (M4/mini,K3, etc) rely on speed to 'eject' the beans in a sideways fashion as they grind, with a horizontal grind path. Imagine a salad spinner where the lettuce is in the middle of the bowl, pull the cord and the water is 'ejected' off the lettuce sideways.
    A conical burr has a more vertical grind path, so the burrs don't need to spin as fast to 'eject' the beans, they fall down. To get this low speed you need a reduction gear box, which is big and heavy, and thus expensive.

    I hope I haven't confused you with my analogy. Whichever way you go, you'll be happy.
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    My shortlist would also have the Compak K3 WBC on it. Try all 3 in store next time you're down!

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    Thanks everyone for your feedback. It's not an easy choice, as the machines I'm looking at are both great. I've decided to go with the M4 in chrome.

    Thanks to Chris @ TalkCoffee also for the awesome price. Can't wait to see it on my bench getting a workout!

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    Finally, I'm home. Of course I was impatient and needed a shot of espresso. But the first task was to unpack the Grinder - and set it up. Everything with the Macap is so simple & straightforward. Dialling in only took 3 shots, which surprised me a bit.

    What I found to be a significant difference, was the result in the cup. I really wasn't expecting such a huge difference to the 0480. It's like Chalk & Cheese. The grind is consistent, no clumping, no chunks of chaff, perfect mouse tails in the pour and the crema effervescing in the glass. it's a beautiful dark toffee-caramel in colour and there is much more of it compared to the extraction from the 0480.

    I'm still finessing the dose and grind setting, but it's very encouraging to see such a noticeable difference in the cup.

    I expected that there would be a difference, but not such a huge difference as I witnessed. Very impressed.
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    Great news Joe!

    Thanks for your kind words as well.

    I hope your grinder brings you much pleasure.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Great news Joe!

    Thanks for your kind words as well.

    I hope your grinder brings you much pleasure.

    Chris
    Chris,
    I'm so happy to be home today after a month in hospital, that coming home to a package as impressive as this, is really just the icing on the cake.

    Thank-you also for the beans. They made opening the box infinitely more pleasurable. The smell of fresh beans is one of life's most indulgent pleasures.

    Can't wait to give it a workout tomorrow!

    Cheers,
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    Hi Joe,
    was wondering if you can provide any feed back to how your grinder is going, as I am looking at getting an M5... thanks

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    Hi okitoki, I've been using it for a while now on a daily basis.
    I cannot say enough just how good the Macap is. (btw, the only difference between the m4 and m5 is hopper size)

    A few things I noticed which may help you:
    The Grinder fits on my bench and clears the overhead cupboards by 20mm - very important. The grinder is big, but well designed, relatively heavy, stunningly finished (very high quality chrome) and compact footprint.

    The Manual doser, is probably an oversight on my part. I'm mostly only grinding for my other half at the moment, as I am unable to have coffee as it reacts badly with the medication I am on while I'm recovering from surgery.
    In this respect I probably should have bought the electronic doser, but I had reasons for the manual one at the time of purchase, which I believed to be more important. For every day use however, I think the eDoser would be a much more compact and simpler arrangement.

    I think the M4D would be the perfect machine.

    -IF- you drink espresso based drinks.

    I absolutely love the smoothness of the worm drive grind adjustment, it is extremely precise and simple to use.
    The machine is very very quiet. it is quieter than most kitchen appliances, and certainly quieter than the espresso machine.

    It's simple to keep clean, doesn't spill grounds all over the place, although it did take a bit to get used to, so initially I did spill a bit.

    My only recommendation would be that if you are making coffee for one or two people mostly, then the electronic doser is probably a far better and simpler more compact solution.

    I chose the manual doser model for a couple of reasons.
    1. I have family that descend on me, and I need to make 6 or more milks on short notice (which is why I have a 2 group machine at home...)
    2. I want a grinder on for the minimum amount of time possible ( I was expecting it to be much louder than it actually is) to produce a consistent grind and should someone else want to make a coffee (heaven forbid they touch my machines!) I didn't want them mucking around with things they dont understand - hence the manual doser - just pull the lever, tamp and go.

    I don't know how much bean volume you are consuming on a daily basis, but I find the M4 hopper handles 0.5kg beans without any problem, and that is enough for me!

    Hope that helps you.

    regards,
    Joe

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    I recently purchased the Mazzer Mini-E, after much reading and taking references from this post I decided on the Mazzer. I am very happy with this machine in all regards. Thanks to all for your advice.

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    I'm a bit late to this thread but figured I would add my voice for anyone else trying to choose between these two. I'm in the happy position of currently owning both the M4D and the Mazzer Mini E. Both are very good grinders but when it comes time to consolidate my households I will probably keep the Mazzer. The Macap is faster (quite a bit) and probably has the edge in looks, but I find the Mazzer to be tidier and more convenient due to the porta filter holder. From memory it has bigger burrs too. In the cup? Well, I can't tell the difference. It's a close thing, but that's my two cents.

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    I have added the Mazzer MiniE modA doserless to my bench and am over the moon with this choice .The 64mm burrs produce a fluffy electronic dose into the porta filler .

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    Hi All
    I want to upgrade my grinder and have decided I want a conical grinder.

    I have looked at the mazzer and macap, but they have planar burrs.
    I dont have a problem with paying the dollars for a top grinder but which is the best home conical grinder.
    I definately dont want something thats a metre tall and need a forklift to move it.
    a polished unit would be nice to match my Giotto Rocket PP.
    I got my unit from Chris at Talk Coffee and love it.

    any help would be much appreciated

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    Hawko all the mazzer & macap [read serious] conicals are #@@# huge and require a lifting jig to shift :-). Good luck in your search and if you find a "quality" conical the size of my M4D i'm interested also :-) I am currently more than happy with the pairing of the M4D and my Rocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawko777 View Post
    Hi All
    I want to upgrade my grinder and have decided I want a conical grinder.

    I have looked at the mazzer and macap, but they have planar burrs.
    I dont have a problem with paying the dollars for a top grinder but which is the best home conical grinder.
    I definately dont want something thats a metre tall and need a forklift to move it.
    a polished unit would be nice to match my Giotto Rocket PP.
    I got my unit from Chris at Talk Coffee and love it.

    any help would be much appreciated
    Why not talk to Chris again, bet he can come up with something that will tick the boxes.

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    have a look at the monster hand grinder thread
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/3...er-hg-one.html

    If manual hand grinding of the HG One is not an option, the Versalab M3 looks like another good option... but will cost a few pennies to get one

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    Hi Mono
    Yes, when I've looked at the dimensions of the conicals, they're bigger than I like. It'll over power everything in my kitchen.
    I like the idea of the slower grind speed and no heating up of the beans.
    if all else fails, I might end up choosing between the Mazzer and Macap. Think I will have to toss a coin on them two, as they seem
    fairly comparable.

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    I have a Macap M4D and a HG One in my kitchen. The wife is left handed and uses the M4D. I mostly use the manual HG One. The HG One is obviously slower than the M4D but provides large conical burrs in a home friendly package.

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    I have both a Mazzer Mini Electronic (with Super Jolly burrs) as well as an HG one. I use the HG one the vast majority of the time and only break out the Mazzer (which I do love) when there are lots of people wanting a coffee.

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    I have had a Mazzer Mini Electronic and found it to be a solid reliable grinder. Upgraded for a Macap M7D which after a couple of years ownership, still impresses. The two grinders are not comparable in terms of ability or price but anyone thinking of going up to a big conical will get IMO a large increase in speed and grind quality.

    The M7D grinds about 20 gms in 3.8 seconds. I am also able to nuance the grind to extract varied flavour profiles and flavour clarity I could not achieve with the Mazzer Mini.
    Don't be put off by the large size, after a week you won't notice it. (so much)

    The biggest issue for the M7D and other conicals in home use is grind retention. With the Macap expect to grind 20gms of coffee to clear the chute of stale grinds. In addition grind adjustment can use up a lot of coffee if you get it wrong.

    I consider these issues minor compared to the joys of high speed and wonderful grind quality these large conicals offer.

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    just purchased a Mazzer Mini, cant wait for it to arrive!

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    My Macap is very very accurate.
    The incremental adjustment is one area where Macap beats Mazzer IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidrobertson View Post
    just purchased a Mazzer Mini, cant wait for it to arrive!
    Great grinder David, not perfect (none of em are) they all have their foibles.
    The Mazzer Mini is built like a tank and is easy to use/maintain, stepless grind adjustment is simple, accurate and easy.

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    I have a Mazzer mini E and I do like it a lot. It does produce super clumpy grinds for me though.

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    When you're talking comparisons between Mazzer or Macap grinders, it is really no different than comparing the top Rolls Royce to a top Bentley in my opinion. So long as you're comparing equivalent models, there just isn't any doubt about their underlying performance and quality...

    If possible, go see one of our Site Sponsors and grab a hands-on demo of the units that meet your performance criteria and go from there...

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    I have a question re the Mazzer Mini.
    I bought mine about a year ago, and really started enjoying it after I stripped a few bits out of the doser chamber to make it more practical - and less messy - for small quantity home use.
    Any thoughts on how often should I have the grinder serviced and can you recommend a good option in and around Sydney - preferably anywhere between the CBD and the Northern Beaches.
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayReyMe View Post
    I have a question re the Mazzer Mini.
    I bought mine about a year ago, and really started enjoying it after I stripped a few bits out of the doser chamber to make it more practical - and less messy - for small quantity home use.
    Any thoughts on how often should I have the grinder serviced and can you recommend a good option in and around Sydney - preferably anywhere between the CBD and the Northern Beaches.
    Thanks
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    I'm sure site sponsor Jetblack espresso will be happy to do it.

    Cremorne / service drop off Frenchs forest

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    Mazzer Vs Macap

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I am often asked to choose between Mazzer and Macap as well.

    At M4D v Mini-electronic level, it's M4D all the way for me. The M4D works beautifully and is 2x as quick as a Mini-E. We should really be comparing the M4D against the Super Jolly-E, but that's a pricier grinder and my gut tells me that the M4D still wins on speed (just) - so for me, M4D all the way.

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    I can vouch for the speed differential as I own both of these grinders. The Macap M4D is much faster no doubt about it, you'll push out coffee much faster at a party if that's an issue for you. The worm drive on the Macap also allows finer adjustment, but the collar adjustment on the Mazzer works well for me too. I particularly like the portafilter holder on the Mazzer and the fact I don't need to 'toggle' the single/double/continuous setting as you do on the Macap. I've ended up with a catch tray full of fresh grind more than once on my Macap when using a single In the cup I can't tell the difference which is the main thing at the end of the day so you really can't go wrong with either.

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    Moving from an MD4 to a Mini E was a great move for me. Mini E wins for low mess that's for sure.

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    Sorry, but I disagree. You can grind just as cleanly with an M4D. Gentle tapping to the side of the portafilter whilst dosing = virtually zero waste. Distribute, tamp and you're done. There a really good reason why M4Ds are rarely sold on the pre-loved market.

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    Mine was an MD4 (deli model). That's why it was messy..... I'm sure M4D is much better

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    If you had the deli model, then it was an MC4....nothing to do with an M4D, which then makes post #39 above redundant.

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    Correct TOK....

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    The reality that has already been stated in this thread, both Macap and Mazzer make acceptional grinders and you will be happy with either. We are all snobs here so we care and spend crazy $$ on our coffee addictions! both these grinders are commercial built and happy used in cafe situations as decade etc grinders. So in a home situation will be a fantastic overkill (putting my hand up as an owner

    You will love your grinder no matter which one of these you get!!

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    True. We're all being snobs.... Both are excellent grinders.

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    Wouldn't have it any other way Pauly would we.

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    Just bought an M4D after trialling the mazzer mini doser, very happy with design, operation, speed (half the grind time) and general tidiness.
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    Sorry to rehash an old thread, but today I bought a Macap M4D. Even as a doserless grinder, I thought the Mazzer was too bulky as it retains the chamber-like build for the chute. Also, comparing the sound, the Macap wasn't as screechy while grinding. So for me, with limited bench space, it was purely aesthetics. Both grind very well though, and I'd not have complained either way if I'd come home with a Mini. The only other thing I'd mention is the stepless adjustment seems easy easier on the M4D. Has been easier to make fine tweaks in my opinion. Very effortless. My M4D is also Chrome, and looks very impressive :-)
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    Congrats mate...

    Terrific grinder. Our eldest son recently bought one from Talk Coffee and he is absolutely wrapped with his...

    Mal.
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    Enjoy. Great grinder



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