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    Grinder recommendation - high quality commercial

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Been out of the loop on equipment specs and recommendations for a while (not to mention general forum discussions), but what would be a good grinder for pairing with a brand new 2 group (quite possibly Kees' Spirit).

    Not my budget, so go nuts. But would need to justify the expense.

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    Mazzer; Robur-e, or the Major-e (if a big planar is your thing), maybe a Kony-e depending on volumes.

    Mahlkoenig K30 Vario (another planar burr), Kompak K10 Fresh and I think there is a new Nuova Simonelli that claims to have
    only 1 gram of retention.

    I have a client in Melbourne who has 5 Mahlkoenigs on their bench. They have just opened a new cafe
    and have installed 5 Robur-e's there, in preference. Roburs have massive grind retention (as do some of the others); not an issue if you're making plenty of coffee.

    You justify the (up to ) 3k expense by saying there is no point buying a (very) high end espresso machine and pairing it with
    a mid range grinder, it doesn't make sense and if anything displays a perceived lack of awareness about what it takes to
    make great coffee. Having a great machine and mismatched grinder is more about show than substance.

    If it was me I wouldn't be buying a doser grinder. As far as planar or conical goes, with the money you're spending you should be able
    to get some of these grinders to road test with your machine and coffee.

    Use the CS search engine to find plenty of references but (in my opinion) take note of what people such as Coffee Machinist, Andy
    and Talk Coffee have to say about commercial applications.
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    Cheers mate.

    I have been searching the archives, and I still have some idea of the who's who on CS when it comes to good advice but thanks for the recommendations.

    Ultimately it may come down to what is stocked by the supplier of the machine too, so your suggestion of trying a few different ones is a good idea.

    pL

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    It really depends on volume. Big conical s are king for speed. But big planners, namely Mahlkonic K30 are quick too. You might find that its best too go with the fastest possible for house blend, (robur) and get something with less grind retention for S/O and guest blend, in that scenario flat burrs are often better. (Mahlkonig K30 is a flat burr but is also known for having pretty bad grind retention)

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    Hey mate,
    What a broad question! Here's my two cents:

    In terms of speed and volume. Since this is only a two group situation I'm assuming a medium volume. So, a Major would do nicely without breaking any budget. But then again, there is no budget so definitely Roburs. They are quick, cool (less heat..but they are pretty cool nevertheless) and have a great consistency when it comes to grinding for espresso.

    I now work with four Robur E's in a medium to high volume cafe indoors. And even in indoors the grind goes out and then changing the timer for the right dose amount ect can prove more hassle than convenience! So if you are after something simple and easy, I say go the doser option. And definitely, if it is outdoors or an open cafe, go for the doser!

    (I once tried a Robur E in a cart situation but we ended up on deciding to keep the doser Kony!)

    Hope this is helpful,
    Michael

    (But seriously, this is a heck of a broad question with no information. Give us some detail like setting, volume, barista experience)

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    Not rocket science but I believe big conicals are for espresso drinkers as once the latte\FW\Cap is made the difference in the cup is lost due to the milk. So it could comedown to WAF (if married) or the FIGJAM appeal. Good luck with the search and I'm sure a match could be made well.. My preference and the WAF is a Macap M7D......

    Jonty



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