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    Anyone know what this is...?

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    I was at Mrs Parmas at top end of Little Bourke. They have a Rancilio 2 group machine and beside it is this...
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    Does anyone recognise it? All the area under the collar beside the hopper is worn away - around the back is a plate saying it is property of Douwe Egberts but I doubt that's the breed.

    Staff were not happy with the Rancilio and said they were trying to get the owner to get rid of it. I told them to tell him I would take it off their hands for parts for $100... $150 if pushed. *evil grins* They looked at me unblinking and said they would try to convince the owner... OMG!!!

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    Gino rossi RR45?

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    I believe it is a Gino Rossi Conical...

    Excellent grinder but this one appears to have a few miles on the clock...

    Mal.

    Here's a link to a great one that TG picked up a few years ago...
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/6...ssi-mc.html#17
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    *grins* I knew CS'ers would steer me right. There's several Gino Rossi models - I think the closest match is the Gino Rossi CC45A with the old doser attachment that has the 'plunger' tamper built on to the front.

    And yes, it's seen some work. Mrs Parmas used to be Cheers and Robbo who had it then came from a previous incarnation - I'd think the machine came with him as I recall seeing them there back in the early 90's.

    (wonder if I can talk them into 'needing' to upgrade?

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    Agree with the Gino Rossi RR45 - sometimes rebadged as a Boema. Bought one several years ago for $30 from a butcher who'd used it to grind spices - looked worse than that one but stil restored very well, with parts from coffeeparts. Sold for a tidy profit - wife wouldn't have a monster in the kitchen so I bought a Rocky with the profits.

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    I looked at the RR45 but none of the pics had that shape hopper and none came with the rod-type tamper on the front of the doser. I used the exploded diagrams at Coffee Parts | Gino Rossi Grinder Spare Parts - CC45 and CRR45 Burrs and main grinder parts & Coffee Parts | Gino Rossi Grinder Spare Parts - CC45 and RR45 Dosage Chamber Parts to identify it. The CC45 has the right hopper and the old doser has the right tamp structure.

    There does seem to be a lack of appreciation for equipment out in the 'field' - so many places have machines that on CS would bring sighs of envy and the staff talk about the machines as if they were little better than a fancy way to make instant coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post
    I looked at the RR45 but none of the pics had that shape hopper and none came with the rod-type tamper on the front of the doser.
    That Rossi is a bit of a 'bitsa', a lot of equipment that old ends up having bits and pieces replaced, like the hopper, so it might work perfectly well but it isn't exactly as it left the factory. I've serviced that machine and grinder a few times, and once nearly managed to smash all the glasses hanging on the overhead rails above the grinder because the different hopper was a very tight wedge fit in the adjusting collar, so when I finally managed to wriggle it loose, it came off so suddenly it smacked into all the hanging glasses, fortunately without major damage!

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    Manual for it.

    My Bo-ema RR45 is identical, however it is in better cosmetic nick. Burrs on yours look fine. There are at least three optional hoppers, mine is the same as yours. Ditto front tamper (never used by me). Tip: remove the hopper with care, the grounds tend to glue it in place if it is left alone. Indestructible commercial grinder (made in NSW by Bo-ema and often rebadged if memory serves?). I have the manual (attached, I hope, I am new to CS at doing that).


    Boema-RR45 grinder INSTRUCTIONS.pdf

    Hope this helps.

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    @MorganGT - Was it Mrs Parmas when you were there or Cheers? I doubt Robbo would have worried too much but I have the impression from a couple of comments that the current owner might have wanted to take the cost out of your fee.

    Do you still do service work around Melbourne?

    @TampIt - thanks for that. Manuals are always handy things to have and you did it just fine. I will see if there is one in the Machines forum and if not, post it there for future reference. Again, not sure it's an RR45 though - the cradle/rest for the PF looks significantly different - it may just be as MorganGT says, a mix of parts done to keep it running but the particular part doesn't look like something easily broken on the CC45 diagram.

    Edit: I see it's already been done...

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    Mine is almost identical to your photo. Mine still has the optional larger hopper (just like your photo). There were a few of them in Perth, at least four had the optional front tamper on shaft w large adjuster screw plus metal p/f base plate - just like your photo. FWIW, I think mine had it as well, however I took a few bits off 10+ years ago and stored them with my unneeded parts as I do not use that tamping method. Also, as far as I know, mine is exactly as per Bo-ema factory options (bought it s/h from a fanatical owner 10+ years ago). If not, there must have been some after market company making them, as they are definitely for the RR45.

    You can always call them in NSW(?) and ask, as I am 90% sure they are still around (make good commercial espresso machines too!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post
    @MorganGT - Was it Mrs Parmas when you were there or Cheers? I doubt Robbo would have worried too much but I have the impression from a couple of comments that the current owner might have wanted to take the cost out of your fee.

    Do you still do service work around Melbourne?

    @TampIt - thanks for that. Manuals are always handy things to have and you did it just fine. I will see if there is one in the Machines forum and if not, post it there for future reference. Again, not sure it's an RR45 though - the cradle/rest for the PF looks significantly different - it may just be as MorganGT says, a mix of parts done to keep it running but the particular part doesn't look like something easily broken on the CC45 diagram.

    Edit: I see it's already been done...

    It was Mrs. Parmas when I went there, last visit was maybe 6 months ago. And you guessed correctly, the owner did make a fuss until some $ was deducted from the service bill.....
    I'm still doing service work around Melbourne (as well as Victoria and parts of NSW for that matter).

    Gino Rossi has been making grinders for a long time, and there have been design changes over the years (2 completely different styles of doser lever/ratchet, for example), plus the fact that they supply a lot of grinders to machine manufacturers rebadged to 'match' the machines (Boema is one example) means that there can be variations to details like handle forks and tampers to suit the requirements of the machine manufacturers they supply to.

    I have an easy way of remembering which model is which:

    RR45 has a rectangular base (R for rectangle)
    CC45 has a conical body (C for conical)

    ...there are other models (conical burr versions for example) but probably 95%+ of all Rossi grinders you'll see around Melbourne will be an RR45 or CC45.

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    *wonders how the hell a cafe can trash the body of a grinder so comprehensively*

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    No idea how they did it, and it was completely around the body, not just on one side where (say) they did milkshakes or similar. And there's no drink space there so people don't sit at the bar there, nor is there room to make coffees - in fact they turn around and make them on the bench usually.

    Maybe someone scrubbed it regularly with steel wool?



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