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    Grinder advice needed please

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    I have just upgraded my Giotto to a La Marzocco GS3 and now I am looking to upgrade my doser mini Mazzer

    I need some advice please. I want an electronic grinder for convenience and cleanliness. So far I am considering a Mini Mazzer electronic and a macap M4D
    I was told that it was preferable to get a conical grinder. The ones that I have looked at are huge and often retain as much as 40-50grams of coffee in their chute. I don't think that is practical for home use.

    I was wondering if anyone knew if there was an electronic conical grinder out there that would be suitable for home use?
    Overall are there any thoughts on which grinders will give me consistent even grinds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeNcake View Post
    I have just upgraded my Giotto to a La Marzocco GS3 and now I am looking to upgrade my doser mini Mazzer

    I need some advice please. I want an electronic grinder for convenience and cleanliness. So far I am considering a Mini Mazzer electronic and a macap M4D
    I was told that it was preferable to get a conical grinder. The ones that I have looked at are huge and often retain as much as 40-50grams of coffee in their chute. I don't think that is practical for home use.

    I was wondering if anyone knew if there was an electronic conical grinder out there that would be suitable for home use?
    Overall are there any thoughts on which grinders will give me consistent even grinds?
    cNc
    Hi coffeeNcake

    Mahlkonig EK43 / GS3 would be my dream combo. I had two GS3's (110V & 240V) and regret not trying them with a better grinder at the time (divorce sucks). The EK43 is setting new benchmarks for consistency and lack of grind retention. Hope you have a large, strong bench!

    FWIW, my Mahlkonig Vario gen2 is very impressive, to the point of getting similar overall coffee qualities in my current setups.

    Enjoy your toys.

    TampIt

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeeNcake View Post
    ......I need some advice please. I want an electronic grinder for convenience and cleanliness. So far I am considering a Mini Mazzer electronic and a macap M4D
    I was told that it was preferable to get a conical grinder. The ones that I have looked at are huge and often retain as much as 40-50grams of coffee in their chute. I don't think that is practical for home use.

    I was wondering if anyone knew if there was an electronic conical grinder out there that would be suitable for home use?
    Overall are there any thoughts on which grinders will give me consistent even grinds?
    cNc
    Hi there. Of the two grinders mentioned by you, my preference would be for the M4D. The Vario as mentioned above is also a nice grinder, but it all depends on what you as an individual are chasing, because the mini mazzer you already have, is already a very nice grinder.... I am not surprised you were "....told that it was preferable to get a conical grinder...". Its the flavour of the month and is very much subject to opinion and what anyone wants to write up on the web and elsewhere, whether they really have the expertise and actually know, or are just regurgitating stuff they've read. You also need to be able to pick the reasoning behind what people tell you. For example, yes a large conical grinder is better in a VERY busy café situation, because it can handle a much larger volume of throughput of beans before overheating and stopping. Large conicals are made for large volume commercial situations, and it has not much really to do with quality in that situation. But what about a home situation where there is no advantage due to volume? I suggest a couple of things that should help you with your decision, but I guess it depends on how close or convenient you are to someone that will allow you the time and space to do this. Take your mini mazzer to a sponsor or otherwise, that also sells a Vario (in terms of comparing a good grinder with flat grinding burrs, to another with conical grinding burrs). Dial them both up with the same bean supply and espresso machine, to make the resulting coffees as good as you can get them. Now "cup" the coffees. Do it more than once. You are therefore trying to compare the coffee made with a good flat plate grinder to that from a good conical burr grinder ;....ie best possible coffee you can get with both grinders. Can you pick any differences in the cup that would sway you one way or the other, to select conical over flats or vice versa. Are they significant or not discernible to your palate. If they are different....what does it mean to you? Are you cupping espressos or milks? Be sure you have done everything well enough, that you are, to the best of your ability, ONLY comparing the diff between the burrs... The other discussion is of course the one about the individual client's satisfaction quotient from using either grinder ie....which one do you simply like better to use? Of course the comparison can be made with any grinders of your choice. Also you need to think on the cost of the (so called) "upgrade" when moving from the first grinder to the subsequent one. After making the comparison and have or haven't found any differences that do or don't mean anything to you as an individual, is it worth the cost of the "upgrade"? In the end choose what you like and want and not what other people say you should like ! Don't forget in home use, you also have to be happy with the look of the grinder, and is it a good "match" to the machine? And of course once you have made your choice, stop reading stuff that might make you insecure about your decision...remember, its your decision and it was usually the right decision at the time. Hope that helps. ***EDIT***....apologies to all for large "blocks" of text with no spaces, paragraphs etc. I am using a new computer and there is something going on with the "format" that I haven't been able to work out yet.....
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    Gee Tampit...

    You haven't got a vested interest in promoting Mahlkonig grinders, have you? It almost seems every second thread I read from you is promoting them, even to the extent of trying to steer people away from the shortlist of grinder choices they have already made.

    Far better for people to try before they buy, if that is even remotely possible, rather than trying to hammer a single brand into every second thread you write. IMHO...

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Gee Tampit...

    You haven't got a vested interest in promoting Mahlkonig grinders, have you? It almost seems every second thread I read from you is promoting them, even to the extent of trying to steer people away from the shortlist of grinder choices they have already made.

    Far better for people to try before they buy, if that is even remotely possible, rather than trying to hammer a single brand into every second thread you write. IMHO...

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    Hi Dimal

    I fully agree most people should try before they buy. Just a shame that Oz seems to have three or four "pet brands" that are really quite poor as home grinders so most people do not know about better alternatives. Not helped by the parallel import of it's US twin brother (Baratza) to throw more confusion into the mix.

    No vested interest at all except appreciating quality and totally fed up with the wastage associated with most conventional "prosumer / light to heavy commercial" grinders. That is why I bought a Vario "gen1", which morphed into a gen2 as a happy accident (doing a desperate coffee fiend mate a favour). BTW Vario gen2: Ditting ceramic flat burrs made in Switzerland.

    The latest Nordic Challenge (Nov 2013) had enough data about the EK43 for most to see at as a new benchmark in grinders. One of its ancestors in Perth is still on its original augur after ten years & well over a tonne of coffee. The same cafe has an SJ that needs new burrs every three months. The Mahlkonig equals the SJ for particle spread when the SJ has just had new burrs, handsomely beats it after three or four weeks of SJ use and still manages to retain about as much grounds as the Vario (i.e. virtually nil). If that makes me biased, I guess I must be.

    FWIW, I also cannot see for the life of me why they are not a lot more common: the big "pre EK43" one has a minute fraction the running costs of any commercial grinder I have seen. Meanwhile every coffee fiend who has tried my Vario has either bought one, wanted one or both.

    Just my 2 cents worth.

    TampIt

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    For anyone that doesnt know, it should be mentioned the EK43 is a volume commercial bench grinder and I cant for the life of me understand why it gets not one but 2 mentions in this thread. I think you're having a shot there TampIt.

    In which case for the same relevance to the topic at hand, I can probably mention that Petroncini makes a volume commercial bench grinder with 120 mm planar grinding burrs (EK 43 only 100mm or so) that will also outlast a Mazzer SJ by several tonnes for what that's worth (....????? cant see the relevance comparing bench/deli grinders with espresso bar grinders, but as its already being done here). Petroncini also make a floor standing model with 150 mmm grinding plates and takes up the space of a large filing cabinet.

    These are available with 3 phase motors and the replacement grinding plates each cost over a thousand dollars landed in Australia, for those home bodies for whom money and space and upgradeitis present no object.

    Brambati and some others make industrial grade grinders that are so big, you can maybe fit 2 in an area the size of a single garage but you would have to raise the roof.

    All of the grinders mentioned in this post are fit for purpsose in terms of the purposes they are designed for, and pretty darn useless for anything else including sticking them in the kitchen to run next to the OP's GS3....which I believe brings us back to the topic at hand.

    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Gee Tampit...

    You haven't got a vested interest in promoting Mahlkonig grinders, have you? It almost seems every second thread I read from you is promoting them, even to the extent of trying to steer people away from the shortlist of grinder choices they have already made.

    Far better for people to try before they buy, if that is even remotely possible, rather than trying to hammer a single brand into every second thread you write. IMHO...

    Mal.
    Was thinking the same thing, almost like tampit is actually a really sophisticated mahlkonig spam bot!! I've actually Been trying to figure out if I can filter the word malkhonig from tapatalks new post feed!! Ps I own a baratza grinder as a second grinder so have nothing against them, just the flooding of every grinder thread with the promotion of them above all others.

    I agree with Mal............try before you buy, better yet, if you can, take a big bag of your favourite beans to a sponsor and compare the taste from a variety of grinders if you can.
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    5 senseless still has a site in Rockingham as I recall? Just sayin'.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    Just my 2 cents worth.
    Great...

    Hopefully that will be enough for the next two years regarding your pet grinder...

    Mal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    5 senseless still has a site in Rockingham as I recall? Just sayin'.....
    You mean Five Senses right? I'm sure you wouldn't like anyone calling you Balk Coffee….

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    Today I bought my new toy, a Mahlkonig Vario gen 2, from CS Sponsor Di Bartoli at Bondi Junction Sydney. Ofra, one of the bosses there uses a Vario at home, so he must think it is OK. They have sold over 100 of these.

    I have made one coffee and so far so good.

    Barry



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