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    Compak K10 WBC

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Diamond C have kindly offered me the loan of one for a few days next week (shortlisted for a ridiculously indulgent home grinder)...Great opportunity for Melb CSers to have a look/touch/play if you wish....

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    They must have a GS-3 at home too.

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Hi Chris,

    Whats the RRP on the WBC K10?

    No built in tamper and slower rpm (conical), are these the main differences with the WBC model? Any other notable differences?

    Love to hear how you think it compares to a Robur.

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    If you live in Melb....ask some baristas who use them everyday...eg Toshi @ St Ali....they have a Robur, K10, Swift and another one Ive forgotten...

    Chris....is this an open invite to muck around with coffee? :o

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Well,

    This grinder spent a week on the bench in collusion with my Veneziano S1- Much to the concern of the cuter user of the kitchen... My thoughts:

    Its BIG and black (much nicer than champagne IMHO)- We forget just how large a conical grinder has to be to do the job it does. Nothing so far has made the Veneziano look small, but this does!

    Build quality and performance: Very good!

    The doser looks more like a Mazzer- stainless steel rather than the more cast/carved out of a single billet look of the K3E. I like the fact that the tamper has gone awol and that the design of the doser sweeps very well in addition to not retaining too much ground coffee on the moving bits- definitely better than my Mazzer mini. I was pleased to see both switch and lever on the right side- as we are accustomed to....

    Throughput is great (as expected) and the throw is more to the centre of the p/f than some Mazzers. I am still not too crazy on the plasticy fork over metal- I find them a bit sticky. It was louder than I thought it might be whilst grinding. I guess all those moving bits do create some noise. Compaks have a distinctive pitch which I was not used to...

    Grind quality was terrific- leading to an incremental improvement in the cup...

    So- did I buy one? Ultimately, even though I loved it....the head tells me that it is overkill for the home- big time- and that the mini is doing the job well so...no.

    I guess Im missing the trouughput of the Majors at the academy but I cant justify the benchspace...

    I think this is a killer grinder at a great price and for a busy cafe would save $$$ compared to a Robur. I would love to have done a back to back....

    It made me think that perhaps a Compak "Geek Spec" would be good...Something like:

    WBC style doser- no auto cut out flap to block the throat of the grinder
    Switch and lever to the right
    60 ish mm blades
    micrometric adjustment
    silver or chrome
    switch and doser lever on the RHS...

    I have planted a seed- Heres hoping ;)





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    Maybe I can get the boss to buy one so we can play with it. We use 2 roburs, which do anywhere between 10kg (average) and 15kg on a good day....be good to see how well the Compak stands up to this kind of punishment day in, day out for a year.

    Mind you, I do find the Roburs suffer from massive heating issues. By the end of my 9 hour shift, Ill be the best part of 1/4 turn finer from when I start after I dial in the grind in the morning. I guess the heating problem is exacerbated by the fact I grind on demand and dose manually.

    For less than $2000, the K10 is a good value for money alternative to the Robur...and only alternative high volume throughput grinder as all Mazzer stock is gone in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1176299856/0#5 date=1178182809
    Maybe I can get the boss to buy one so we can play with it. We use 2 roburs, which do anywhere between 10kg (average) and 15kg on a good day....be good to see how well the Compak stands up to this kind of punishment day in, day out for a year.

    Mind you, I do find the Roburs suffer from massive heating issues. By the end of my 9 hour shift, Ill be the best part of 1/4 turn finer from when I start after I dial in the grind in the morning. I guess the heating problem is exacerbated by the fact I grind on demand and dose manually.

    For less than $2000, the K10 is a good value for money alternative to the Robur...and only alternative high volume throughput grinder as all Mazzer stock is gone in Australia.

    One of the main reasons the Roburs overheat is that they are actually over powered, Compaks do not suffer from that problem.

    Mazzer stock - will be an issue until SAECO Australia sort out their "administrative issues" - also Gino Rossi affected as well.

    I understand that suppliers of competitor products such as Cunnill, Compak are more than adequately stocked at this time.

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    I dont know ... if you actually get an old grinder, cut it open, attach a bunch of probes to it and grind coffee through it for half an hour straight, its pretty obvious that the main source of heat in the coffee is the friction of grinding itself. Thats not to say that the motor doesnt get hot, but the heat doesnt really seem to transfer into the beans ... or, at least according to a few people who have done the experiment it doesnt ;P

    Three phase powered grinders are much better at having the motor running colder.

    Cheers,

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    I guess I should have explained what I meant when I wrote "I guess the heating problem is exacerbated by the fact I grind on demand and dose manually."

    More energy is dissipated starting and stopping the motors rather than letting the motors run till the autofill sensor kills the motor when the doser is full (as they were designed to be used...heh...60 year old technology). So I assumed a lot of heat also comes from the motor itself starting and stopping all the time.

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1176299856/0#7 date=1178199778
    Three phase powered grinders are much better at having the motor running colder.
    Keen observation there Luca, 3-Phase motors are much more efficient than 1-Phase and also run at a significantly higher Power Factor too.

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    It made me think that perhaps a Compak "Geek Spec" would be good...Something like:

    WBC style doser- no auto cut out flap to block the throat of the grinder
    Switch and lever to the right
    60 ish mm blades
    micrometric adjustment
    silver or chrome
    switch and doser lever on the RHS...
    Errr... the Left hand dose lever stood out in the picture of the K10. *I use a K6 at home (yeah, cluttered bench but I get away with it) and its doser lever is on the right.

    Why would they change? *Weird.

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Arent you able to change the lever to what ever side you wish? Or am I trippin....or maybe it is...you can buy with lever on whatever side you like....because I remember reading a Compak flyer saying you can change the dosing lever to whatever side you wish.

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    Re: Compak K10 WBC

    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1176299856/0#11 date=1178204347
    Arent you able to change the lever to what ever side you wish? Or am I trippin....or maybe it is...you can buy with lever on whatever side you like....because I remember reading a Compak flyer saying you can change the dosing lever to whatever side you wish.

    Yes, but we get a RHS switch as well....so the illustration is still not OZ spec....



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