Post By TOK
Post By Bames
Post By Casa Espresso
Post By madaxle
Which Grinder to Choose - Entry Level
Been busily reading through the forum posts all weekend.....awesome place.
Anyhow to my question...looking to buy a grinder under $400. Have a few to suggest but not sure if they are any good or not. Would love some help.
Nemox Lux Domestic Coffee Grinder - $296
Lelit PL043 Coffee Grinder - $369
Nuova Simonelli Grinta Grinder - $379
Isomac Macinino Prof Inox Coffee Grinder - $349
ASCASO i.steel - $289 (175w)
Last edited by scoota_gal; 9th September 2014 at 03:39 PM.
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Lelit and Nouva takes the win....
I've seen the Silvia work well with both of these grinders
What kind of espresso machine you're using?
If you're not pulling espresso shots,,,,,
Then what kind of brewing methods will you use this for.....
Expecting it to be pour-over, syphon, french press, moka pot, cold brew, e aeropress......
Baratza should be in there too at those price points.
The issue with entry level grinders is that most have plenty of plastic inside and hence have a limited lifespan and are not as serviceable, these grinders as a result have pretty poor resale.
Spend another $50-100 and you get into prosumer category. Rocky or even compak k3, have full parts availability and are built to a higher more commercial standard. If its a choice between a new domestic class grinder or a used commercial/prosumer, I would take the latter every time.
Smart grinder would be a good one to consider, almost half your budget when on sale.
Or like others have suggested, get a K3 which is a more traditional, built to last grinder (although physically much bigger), you should get one for not much more than your budget or under it if buying used.
The NS Grinta is the only one in the list that I could recommend. All the others are pretty much the same. They all use the same basic conical burrs (that are the same as the early model sunbeam grinders) and have very similar internals. They may have slightly different power motors, but this doesn't give you any improvement in grind.
There's a second hand Anfim Best in the for sale section at the moment. If you don't get that I'd be looking for a mazzer mini, k3 or anfim best 2nd hand, they are leagues above the likes of the Grand Machino. They're built super tough and will not only grind better than any of the ones on your list, but last longer too and be more reliable, even 2nd hand.
If you don't want to buy 2nd hand, then the breville smart grinder is better than all listed except the Grinta. Seems strange but this is one scenario where you don't get what you pay for with those grinders!
Add a Rocky into your mix too. Better than a lot suggested in your list INMO but if u can stretch to Compak K3 do it. As mentioned check out the for sale section too.
I am looking to buy one as well...still undecided if i go new or second hand. Will go into a shop over the weekend to test drive.
Originally Posted by RayTCoffeePro
Espresso, long blacks and lattes mainly.
Originally Posted by RayTCoffeePro
Hmm, The Baratza Encore, Lelit and Nouva are great......
But the Encore is lower class when compared to NS Grinta and Lelit Fred......
Great advice and thanks. Think i will see if i can stretch my budget to a rocky or a good second hand grinder.
Originally Posted by muppet_man67
Have you considered the Iberital Challenge (around $300). Stepless and timed dosing (some models). I had one for about 5 years and it never missed a beat. Sorry to confuse you madaxle but it is worth considering. Sponsors here do sell them.
Last edited by barri; 10th September 2014 at 07:05 PM.
Inertial challenge is again the same burrs and motor as the lelit, isomac etc in your list. They are about the same in terms of grind quality as the sunbeam conicals, just fancier looking and more expensive.
The breville smart is a big step up from there.
The Grinta and rocky use flat burrs, like a smaller more plasticy version of a k3. Some who know more than me and have particle analysers have said the breville produces better grinds.
K3 is another step up.
Don't let price tag or shiny stainless fool you.
We'll agree to disagree on that one. I've also owned a sunbeam grinder and the iberital challenge is a much more consistent grinder than the sunbeam. When I changed the grind on a sunbeam and returned to the same point it hardly ever delivered the exact same dosage.
Originally Posted by Bames
Im interested in the original list and pricing, and perhaps the Iberital challenge mentioned a little later.
While some of the models share the same internal motor and grinding assembly, they differ in the total execution especially in the adjuster mechanisms.
Frankly, some of them not worth the money being asked, for the level of "coffee" being sought here, when you look at some other pieces of equipment that cost less for something better OR better for not much more.
If you are looking at whats on that list at the top, look SPECIFICALLY at the grinder adjustment mechanisms to start with.
The Challenge (not on the list), and the i Mini (i steel whatever) have the best adjusters in that group for the entry level of griders listed. Some of the others are appalling and shouldnt be priced at more than $150.00 if I had to make a guess...
If it were me, given what you dont get despite the relatively high prices shown, I would add not all that much more in the scheme of things and buy a "real" grinder (eg M2M, K3P)...OR spend about the same or less when they're on special and get a good entry evel "appliance" grinder (smart).
Note the advantage in buying a "real" grinder, is it will outlast the rest by decades (maybe even outlast you) and give virtually zippo trouble.
Hope that helps.
I'm with you TOK, spend a little extra madaxle and get a much better grinder! Look at these in person and you will understand. I looked at some of the grinders you suggested and was less than impressed with their build quality, certainly when compared to Compak, Macap or Mazzer. Spend the extra!!
Yes we will have to disagree. I've owned the sunbeam 450, the Nemox Lux (same as lelit pl043), breville smart grinder, 2 super jollys, NS MDX and Ditting KR804 - so yes have had the chance to compare these grinders against eachother. While I believe you that making grind changes on the iberital will be more precise and repeatable in terms of returning to previous settings than the sunbeam, the iberital wont provide significantly different enough consistency, shape and distribution of the grinds produced than the sunbeam. The advantages are usability advantages, not grind quality, and therefore not in the cup.
Originally Posted by barri
If you want a cheap grinder that can do espresso, buy the white sunbeam one
If you want a relatively inexpensive grinder with better grind quality than the sunbeam and nice usability, buy the breville smart
If you want a big jump in grind quality, and don't want to waste money by needing to upgrade after a year of the above grinders, get a macap, compak, mazzer etc.
I agree with TOK and mmmcoffee - either buy a second hand mazzer, macap, compak etc, or save a bit more and get a new compak or macap. As you can see from my list of grinders, you will no doubt want to upgrade. Sonner than you think.
If size is not an issue, buy this http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...llio-md50.html
If size is an issue, buy this http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...inder-vic.html
thanks all....some great points to consider. I have upped my budget and narrowed myself down to the Rancilio Rocky (doserless) and the Compak K3 Push.
Will buy one of these tomorrow....just need to decide now.
I think you have made a good choice madaxle.
In my opinion, the Compak wins this bang for buck shootout by a country mile.
Compak and Rocky?
Compak hands down
Agree with Casa and Talk - the Compak is the go-er
Compak for sure time and time again
+++++1 for Compak. Easy choise
Probably drunk on coffee
Compak for brand new, however i wouldn't overlook 2nd hand
My main grinder is a Macap which was 2nd hand, at around ~$300-400 you'll get a workhorse that'll last a long time!
Hi all - left work early and went down to jetblackespresso. Ended up getting a compak m3 push.
Apparently it a new version where it's not a gloss style but matte.
Has taken around 250g coffee to get to the right consistency.
Thanks all. Appreciate all the advice and tips.
One happy camper :-)
Good choice on the Compak, it's definitely good value. Hope you enjoy it. I've had mine for 3 years now and it's been great.