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    Macap m4d design issues

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    I recently purchased a macap m4d. The 2 main factors influencing my decision were convenient dosing and no mess. In these areas I am disappointed.

    The problem is in the design of the grinder. The portafilter support bars are too close to the nozzle of the grinder. So when the dose is dispensed the nozzle of the grinder is sitting in the middle of the dispensed dose. So when the portafilter is removed a portion of the dose spills on the counter top resulting in an incorrect dose and a mess. uploadfromtaptalk1410695961390.jpg

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    G'day stafe...

    Can you place the Group Handle such that it is not resting on the Spout, rather with the Spout below the level of the Grinder Fork? This would give you additional relief clearance under the discharge chute...

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    I also purchased the M4D recently. I have not found this clearance a problem. Resting the portafilter on the bars I'd guess there's at least 1.5cm clearance vertically. I guess if I ground in one big dose and didn't jiggle it around a bit as it went it could pile up to the height of the chute - but I don't do that. I usually grind half, level, then grind the rest - and while there's a bit a mound at the end to level and tamp it is not close to 1.5cm or more.

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    Another recent purchaser of the M4D. I haven't had this problem because I took a small plastic container and cut the base off and use it as a short funnel. This prevents spillage during grinding and enables you to use the WDT, if that's your thing. But I wouldn't have thought that the M4D would give you too many spillage problems without such a funnel, unless you're grinding a very large mound.

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    So not an issue.

    Tap the side of the portafilter gently as the grinder is dosing and if you drop anything, you weren't trying. I can comfortably grind 10.5 sec without waste- no need for funnels, racks or any garden implements.

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    Also notice that the LM stainless handle has a tamping shelf on the base which adds at least 5mm, that is not helping the issue for you. A different handle would not have this problem, or you could have it ground off and repolished if you don't use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    So not an issue.

    Tap the side of the portafilter gently as the grinder is dosing and if you drop anything, you weren't trying. I can comfortably grind 10.5 sec without waste- no need for funnels, racks or any garden implements.
    Tapping the side during dosing works for me too … keeps the 'leaning tower of coffee' well under control - and pretty clean overall
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    I didn't spot that tamping shelf in the picture. For reference, the portafilter that I have a ~1.5cm clearance for as is the standard Domobar Junior pf; even more clearance (~2cm) with a generic E61 naked pf. With those I wouldn't want any more clearance - would be more likely to spill then. As it is the grinder is remarkably un-messy to operate!

    Hopefully tapping etc does the trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmaltby View Post
    As it is the grinder is remarkably un-messy to operate!
    My early experience too.

    I'm surprised that TC is so negative about gardening tools when he was promoting suchlike:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/3...tml#post535049
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    My little converted plastic funnel is cheaper, but not as coffee-hipster-nerdy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunda View Post
    My early experience too.

    I'm surprised that TC is so negative about gardening tools when he was promoting suchlike:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/3...tml#post535049
    Coffee Catcha | Talk Coffee

    My little converted plastic funnel is cheaper, but not as coffee-hipster-nerdy.

    You know what? Not one I'd see a need for with an M4D user.

    There are however some grinders which are messier and for which a funnel can assist some users. Other like to have gizmos. Some choose to make their own.

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    My only problem happens when I take the handle out from under the spout. If I'm not concentrating then sometimes the spout removes removes a bit of coffee onto the bench. I'm an absolute sucker for a gadget and I ended buying a "coffee catcha", yes I know Chris - a not needed garden implement, as you said, but I really like it and it has neatened up my dosing. I still tap and jiggle the handle while its dosing and hopefully stafe that will fix your problem.

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    I'm a sucker for anything that makes the process easier (for me) and less messy. Ground coffee seems to have a wander-lust, but I agree that it's less of an issue with the M4D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunda View Post

    I'm surprised that TC is so negative about gardening tools
    That's a pretty long bow you've got there gunda, saying one has no need of tools is different from saying tools suck and

    are useless. ;-)

    Selling tools to people who want them is just good business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    saying tools suck and are useless. ;-)
    For the record, no-one has used these terms.

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    I tried to put it under the bars but as the portafilter filled the grinds from the grinder's spout started to squirt everywhere.
    I also tried to tap on the side of the portafilter but I couldn't get it to work.

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    G'day again stafe...

    Did you notice the post #6 from Coffee Machinist above? That may offer a solution to the problem...

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunda View Post
    . Ground coffee seems to have a wander-lust, .
    I have noticed dramatic differences depending on the beans/roast.
    some just seem to geneate their own static and "float" every where, whilst a different roast will cleanly fall into the basket.
    there is a known technique ( WDT ?) for spraying a few droplets of water onto the beans in the hopper to prevent static.

    I also tried to tap on the side of the portafilter but I couldn't get it to work...
    ?? cannot imagine why not ?
    have you tried simple quick "jiggling" of the PF as it fills

    PS do any grinders fit vibrating PF holders ?? ... Seems it might a useful feature .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    G'day again stafe...

    Did you notice the post #6 from Coffee Machinist above? That may offer a solution to the problem...

    Mal.
    +1

    I know you don't want to hear this but I think you may have to spend money to solve your problem, which doesn't seem fair when you have a great but expensive grinder. You may need to buy another group handle, preferably the naked type, or some sort of funnel or some sort of modification to your handle.



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