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Thread: Used Mazzer Mini seems seldom, whats the next best choice??

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    Used Mazzer Mini seems seldom, whats the next best choice??

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    Hi, I decided to go for smaller grinder as suggested in the last thread about the Mazzer Major being too big....but used Minis seems to be few and far between (maybe just wrong timing)....
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    Compak K3 is equalvalent to Mazzer Mini or 'worse'??

    I may consider a Macap MC4 (i like idea of a dosser-less approach), but I aren't so sure if their chutes are direct/clean - from what i already understand Rocky is terrible there, so nah, not that one.

    M7 better or still too big ? (like a Major/Super Jolly)

    Mahlkorig Vario good enough or it is too tatty - are their replacement burrs heinously exorbitant? (iis it too tatty just because of its more plastic skin, same could be said for

    im just trying to narrow it down, im staying away from lesser known brands or Spanish-made asacos or Anfims (they good but all seems to be coffee-shop big in sizes, too large)

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    Try Compak K3 touch, Macap m2m. But the Macap m4d is what ur after, great unit and doserless. I use a mini Mazzer and love it, but so much of coffee is personal preference and what each person likes.

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    Mazzer's and Macaps don't show up for sale 2nd hand simply because they are excellent grinders on the home bench.

    Once you have one there is generally no need to upgrade. The few that do show up are sometimes the result of a move to

    a conical such as a Robur or Kony.

    The Macap M7 is a big (conical) grinder.

    No trouble with Macap M4D chute... this grinder is my recommendation.
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    ..Compak K3 is equalvalent to Mazzer Mini or 'worse'??
    There are many better grinders then the Mini available,..and the K3 is certainly a match for it..and much better value ( half its price !)
    By "doserless" do you mean electronic dosing , or pre-weighing beans for single dosing ?
    Unless you really plan on using the electronic "Timer dosing" of the MiniE ( or M4D ), be aware you are paying a large premium over the simpler GOD machines or the K3T with its "not so flashy" timer system.
    Also beware of the Mini manual doser, with is a much lesser grinder than the Mini E which uses a bigger burr set, and can also be "upgraded" by fitting the SJolly burr set..if that is your thing.
    But as has been said the Macap is a better machine as are many of the other grinders, like Quamar, Fiorenzato etc.
    Keep an eye open for "Wega" branded Compak grinders, they identical spec ( other than color) but are even better priced .

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    I did see a used mini mazzer come up on gumtree when browsing today.

    I also do think the mazzer is better than the macap (strictly refering to build and grind quality anyway) but thats just my opinion. Everyone seems to find different things they like about diffrent grinders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect View Post
    I also do think the mazzer is better than the macap (strictly refering to build and grind quality anyway) but thats just my opinion.
    Having sold thousands of both of the brands, I am curious to know what criteria you use to come to this conclusion- because try as I may, I cannot fault the build quality nor reliability of either brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect View Post
    I also do think the mazzer is better than the macap (strictly refering to build and grind quality anyway) but thats just my opinion. Everyone seems to find different things they like about diffrent grinders.
    Welcome to CS P.

    You think? or you know?? ahhhh; that's right it's just an opinion.

    Pardon the light hearted sarcasm but have you used, repaired and serviced multiple models of both brands multiple times?.....

    Or formed your opinion some other way?

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    I settled for the Mazzer Mini E last of all, because it makes less mess than other grinders I have owned, does not retain that many beans, can fit larger burrs, and has decent enough speed.

    In saying all that, it does not produce the best flavours I have got out of different beans in comparison to other grinders (they were above it's class in all fairness).

    Chokkidog summed it up perfectly, "they are excellent grinders on the home bench". I love to keep things clean and my other grinders became too much effort in the end, despite their superior performance to the mini E.

    Full sized commercial grinders on the home bench (or in my case, the 'coffee lab') is not for everyone. Of course the mini E is expensive so I would never have switched for a high price. If I told you what I paid for the Mini E it would be easy to understand the switch, excellent condition too.

    Also, to pitch into the debate, no point arguing a Macap is better than Mazzer, these are both killer entry level grinders made to last. My conclusions are nothing more than opinions formed from using both and many other grinders. Once you open a few up and see the finish on the manufacture and the serviceability for each design you understand why some cost more even if they aren't necessarily 'perfect'. I love my Mazzer Mini E and now I see why people keep them.
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    Thanks for the welcome chokkidog I have formed this opinion after using, servicing and repairing many, many grinders over the past ten years. Selling grinders is one thing, working on them and using them is another. Oh and yes, as I said earlier is just my opinion and because there are now so many variants of these models it is hard to compare. I would say that my opinion is based mainly on comparing the doser models of the two brands. The electronic models really are very different in many ways and I tend to prefer much larger/faster grinders of the electronic type. Although to be honest I am not a fan of the larger Macap grinders.
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    Welcome Perfect.

    We sell both and we service both as well. Both brands are completely reliable. In the domestic environment, the term bulletproof is probably appropriate.

    Repairs? Extremely rare- they're either clapped out due to poor model choice or wrecked due to attempted grinding of nuts, bolts, screws etc. In general, they just don't break. So...both are good brands. Mazzer does have it on speed though as at the top end, they use larger burr sets.

    In moderate use environments, either brand is robust and fine. Super busy goes to Mazzer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect View Post
    I did see a used mini mazzer come up on gumtree when browsing today.

    I also do think the mazzer is better than the macap (strictly refering to build and grind quality anyway) but thats just my opinion. Everyone seems to find different things they like about diffrent grinders.
    Hi there...just thought I'd wade in and offer a further educated opinion for the readers.

    I accept that as an individual and certainly as a repairer you will have a set of experiences that have governed your opinion of the two "brands".

    For a corresponding opinion, I can offer that I too, after a considerable period of supplying and servicing cafe as well as home use clients, and operating a busy espresso equipment workshop, I have come to believe that from a technical point of view, there isn't much between the two brands when referring to the flat plated cafe grinder series. Any differences will indeed be the preferences of individual operators....especially because the type/style of doser units differs markedly between the two brands, which is translated into the feel of operation, and delivery of the grinds. Same can be said for the programmable electronic models....the differences only add up to personal preference not in design or build quality which again, I feel is entirely comparable.

    After that, I definitely disagree there is any difference in the *grind quality* between them that would be significant enough to be picked up, even by a "professional" palate.

    So I guess I don't agree with the quoted passage overall, and have attempted to explain the reasons why.

    The conical series of both brands are different but that is only because of the Robur. Macap doesn't offer a grinder of that type. However I dont see why a Macap M7K shouldn't be well comparable to a Koni, except for the personal preferences in use of different operators.

    Further, I think across the three "common" brands found in the market here, you would put the Koni in with the M7K and the Compak K10...and as already stated, I don't believe anyone offers anything in the Robur type class. The readers should note....bigger grinders are not designed to be "better" than smaller grinders in terms of designed grind quality....they are designed to deliver a greater (better?) volume of grinds in a volume situation, before they overheat and stop (fail). Its about delivering volume in a cafe in a "better" way.

    So again we come up with the concept of what is the definition of "better" to anyone?

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Having sold thousands of both of the brands, I am curious to know what criteria you use to come to this conclusion- because try as I may, I cannot fault the build quality nor reliability of either brand.
    +1. I own both so I think I can speak with some experience on this. Both are excellent. The Macap is faster, quite a bit faster. The Mazzer is cleaner (for me) due to the chute design and portafilter holder. It has larger burrs .The M4Ds worm drive allows finer adjustment....the Mazzer is built like a tank, the Macap is prettier and so on, and so on. You won't be disappointed with either. Price is very similar.

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    I'd recommend BARATZA FORTE. Good even particle size, 20s to grind 20g, autoweight, portafilter holder, two types of burr included if ordered in AU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsuya View Post
    I'd recommend BARATZA FORTE. Good even particle size, 20s to grind 20g, autoweight, portafilter holder, two types of burr included if ordered in AU.
    Does the "auto weigh" function work when using the portafilter holder ?
    and remember the OP was looking for a used grinder......not many used Forte's around !

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    I am also in the market for a new grinder. Do you think I will see a massive difference over the breville smart grinder pro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    Does the "auto weigh" function work when using the portafilter holder ?
    and remember the OP was looking for a used grinder......not many used Forte's around !
    Nope only direct into the supplied "bin"

    You do a weighted shot into the bin then it converts that to time for you though. Pretty accurate. You have to do it again each time you change grind though.



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