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    Grinder Help

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    Hi All,

    Im new to the site but there seems to be the knowledge base here to help me with my problem.

    Im a great lover of espresso but I was sick of getting watery, acrid, over extracted shots at all together too many melbourne cafes.

    I thought perhaps I could pull my own and quality control the product I was consuming.

    Deciding to start small I purchased a Saeco Via Venenzia and a low-end Krups GVX Conical Burr grinder.

    While I knew the grinder was cheap, I assumed that with 17 grind settings it could at least grind fine enough for a reasonable, if not a solid shot.

    What Ive found is that even on the finest setting and with a He-Man, bench-cracking tamp, my shots still pull in 10-14 seconds.

    This creates a thin, fluffy and crema light puff of air that is more like bile than sweet caffeine syrup.

    My question is: Is my problem with:

    1) The Grinder
    2) The Machine
    3) The Idiot Operator
    4) A combination of the above.

    I really want to get a good dark shot and stop drowning the crud that sits in the cup with hot milk and sugar.

    If the Grinder simply cannot do the job then can people make recommendations as to what low-end grinders can?

    All help is greatly appreciated,

    B.J Power

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    Re: Grinder Help

    BJ,

    Your main problem is the Krups grinder.... they "burrs" arent really burrs but stamped out bits of metal with not a sharp edge in sight..... They are coffee crushers rather than coffee grinders.... and they dont crush fine enough for an espresso machine.... so even on the finest setting you will get fast pours... :(

    You need a real espresso grinder (none of the cheapie grinders will "cut it".... ;)) And Id recommend an Iberital - about $300 - there are some slighly cheaper options but the Iberital IMHO is the best value for money.

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    Hi Bj

    I think JavaB is right on the money here.

    The philosophy I have gained from this forum is "First the grinder then everything else".

    I am very new to the *real* coffee scene but my first major purchase was an Iberital Challenge (doserless).

    The effect was both immediate and dramatic - the improvement was out of sight.

    Coffee I had previously made using beans ground with a Breville spice grinder and at that time considered quite good, became undrinkable in comparison to what I could do with the Iberital.

    If you can get an Iberital at a price that suits you then go for it!

    I have had mine 7 months now and cannot do without it.

    If you eventually feel that you want to do even better in future with a more expensive grinder, I am confident you will get a good resale price for the Iberital but I think you will end up keeping it for specialised jobs such as espressos or as a backup.

    I have already pushed my machine (Gaggia Cubika) to its limits so I think that is next on the list for an upgrade.

    From what I have seen of this forum, you will gain a lot of good advice from people who are either at your level of experience or have been there before. Everyone is happy to help - all you have to do is ask the question.

    Have a great coffee experience and keep posting.

    cheers

    jeff

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    Totally agree, I saw wings ibertal and got jealous who steered me here and Mal pointed out that my gaggia mm wasnt up to scratch.
    Invest in a good grinder, it will change your life...... And yes I am serious!
    My coffee experience has gone from mildly ok to whoa and when I get hold of my new machine it (after much practice occassional swearing) I will get that god shot and all will be good with the world. :)

    Cheers
    Steve

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    Re: Grinder Help

    BJPower,

    The Saeco Via Venenzia is a reasonable entry level single boiler machine.
    You will get even better results [ie real espresso] if you lose the pressurised PF baskets and replace them with non-pressurised baskets........Saeco can supply these.

    Of course, you need the good grinder for non-pressurised baskets, otherwise your shots will run even faster.

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    Hi,

    Thanks to all for their feedback.

    The action plan for me it to spring for a new grinder and a non-pressurised portafilter.

    Thanks for the education.

    Are the Nemox Lux and Iberital Chellenge much different?

    Ben.

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    Re: Grinder Help

    Gday BJ,

    The Ibertal grinder is a specialist espresso grinder with an infinite adjustment range (stepless) thanks to the use of a worm-gear drive adjustment system, the Lux and other similar grinders are nearly all "stepped" adjustment grinders and depending on the particular grinder, the steps can be quite large to the extent that trying to dial-in a grind from one bean to another and even for variable humidity changes throughout the day, can be quite frustrating.

    If you want a grinder expressly for espresso, then I would recommend the Ibertal. If you are likely to want to use a number of different brewing methods, then a Lux or the Sunbeam EMO480 (cheaper) would be a better bet as they are much easier and quicker to go from one grinding extreme to another. Hope this helps,

    Mal.

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    Re: Grinder Help

    Thanks Mal,

    An Inbertal it is.

    Cheers,

    Ben.

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    Re: Grinder Help

    A minor point.

    The grinder name is the Iberital Challenge

    There seem to have been 3 or 4 spellings of Iberital during this thread.
    ;-)

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    Re: Grinder Help

    As an Iberital owner Id agree they are great for espresso - noisy, but great.

    IBER-ITAL I think is to represent the spanish-italian origins of the brand (Iberia/Italia)

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    Re: Grinder Help

    How embarrassing :-[,

    Never noticed the second i in the name before, as per their website http://www.iberital.com/home/index.asp?lang=I. Good one fb,

    Mal.

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    Re: Grinder Help

    If you can afford the Iberital then go for it instead of the Lux or Sunbeam.

    I just got my Iberital Challenge on the weekend and previously used the Sunbeam EM0480. The Iberital can still be dialled back and forward for espresso and other grinds. It takes a lot of turning of the dial, but you can still do it. I just used the Iberital and ground for plunger this morning to take to work and had no problem going back to espresso for my morning shot ;-).

    The Sunbeam may be convenient for dialling back and forward, but it will be hit and miss for getting the right shot compared to the Iberital Challenge.

    My two cents as an owner of the Iberital and Sunbeam EM0480.

    Javabeen.



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