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    Grinder For Gaggia Classic

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    Hi,

    I just got my self a new Gaggia Classic today and have been messing around all day trying to pull a drinkable shot.
    I use to use my Sunbeam Crema with the Delonghi KG100 and that made nice coffee.

    Nice coffee is good but was after great coffee so upgraded.
    I am trying to use the Delonghi KG100 with the Gaggia but Ive gone down to the lowest grind and it still comes out too fast flat looking with no crema.

    Basically looks like the crap left over in your drip tray.

    I have a bad feeling I might have to upgrade that too so does was looking for something that will do the job and under $300 I guess or if anyone has used a Delonghi KG100 with the Gaggia and can give me some pointers that would be great.

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    Michael

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Gday Michael and welcome to CS.
    I dont know how handy you are when it comes to pulling things apart, but if you are, there are some hints on this link as to how to make the grind finer on your grinder (Solis 166/De-Longhi KG 100). Bearing in mind that this mod will no doubt shorten the lifespan on the grinder. If youre not mechanically inclined, you might have to get yourself a better grinder. The De-Longhi/Solis are good for machines with a pressurised portafilter, ie your old machine, but they are not up to the task for machines that dont have these devices, such as the Gaggia.

    http://www.kwilson.fsnet.co.uk/grinder_tweaks.htm

    Good luck with it.

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    mtarros, hi and welcome, "welcome".

    One thing that you will learn from any of the threads in CSs is that you should get the best possible grinder that you can. The quality of the grinder is almost more important than the machinery you are using provided that you have fresh beans.

    From all accounts the Iberital Challenge has proven to be a good grinder for espresso


    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1176650577

    Have a look at that and it might give you some ideas.

    Enjoy your stay here at Coffee Snobs. "The name says it all"

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    cool not sure if ill risk doing that mod on the grinder.

    Im sure i can get like $70 for it on ebay.

    Cool might keep an eye out for a Iberital.

    Also when looking around on the net I found Isomac Macinino and also Saeco Burr Grinder.
    Will any of them be up for the job needed?

    Thanks for all the help.
    I have always read thing from this site and now needed to post and its a great help having this web site. :)

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    mtarros,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs..

    Having done that mod to the grinder I can tell you that it isnt worth the effort.

    Not only is the grind size too large.... but the size of the grinds is inconsistent... and becomes more of an issue when you mod it to grind finer... There is quite a bit of size variation (down to powder)..... and it is almost impossible to get a good pour (with a reasonable espresso machine) as it will go from a gusher to a choked PF with just the smallest adjustment....

    Either sell it or keep it or plunger coffee (which it grinds excellently)....

    And yep, the Iberital is an ideal grinder for your requirement.... it has very fine adjustment.... but will take forever to go from espresso to plunger..... so if you like the occasional plunger coffee.... keep the KG100 for that (thats what mine is used for now as the La Cimbali Jnr is also an "espresso only" grinder - similar to the Iberital).

    And DONT buy anything cheaper than the Iberital (around $300).... the others are a waste of money!

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Two words...Iberital Challenge.
    I use it with my Gaggia Coffee Deluxe, which is basically the same as the Classic without the 3 way solenoid valve.
    I use to use the Sunbeam EM0480 which is an excellent grinder for the money, but ended up upgrading because I couldnt dial in the perfect grind. No longer an issue.

    Javabeen.

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    Hi Michael.

    I had the same setup as you (Gaggia Classic and modified KG100) and Im going to echo the sentiments of previous posters...ditch the KG!! As you have found, its just not up to the task for Espresso, end of story! Its not made for those of us who are, (lets be honest here), anal about good espresso. Plunger coffee though...probably OK.

    Some people are really bothered by the advice that says buy an expensive grinder because it will be better (especially when it comes from site sponsors). Inevitably though, it proves to be the case; especially where espresso is concerned.

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Well after so many people saying to get the Iberital I have ordered one.
    Just have to wait for it to come in now. *:(
    The person from also said that grinder is very good for Espresso and will last me for years. :)

    Just something a bit off topic will the grinder do a Turkish style grind.
    Have had some fresh beans ground from Merlo for that style and must say you can get a very nice flavor.

    Thanks for all the help.

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    Hi Michael- I have slightly modified your posting to remove the name of the supplier as the equipment mentioned is available from many of the site sponsors....

    We welcome discussions on all equipment- regardless of where its sourced from but we ask that that the site sales and posting rules are kept in mind by all CSers when posting :)

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Sorry Ill read the rules now.

    But I did find that name on this web site through google.
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1132644355

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    mtarros, glad to hear that you have ordered a good quality grinder to start having fun with. I am fairly sure that the Iberital would be more than capable of producing a grind for turkish coffee.

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    Yes it will do turkish style grind...you will have to do a lot of turning of the grind knob though. I switch between espresso and plunger grinds daily and find I have to turn the grind knob about 20 times. I figure youll have to turn it a lot more to get a turkish grind...

    What I have done is created a marker so I know where to switch back too. I straightened a paper clip and blu tacked it on to the grinder so it lines up with the marker tape on the hopper. I then use another small ball of blu tack on the tape marker so I know where the espresso grind is set to.

    Javabeen.

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Yay got my grinder and got a better shot.
    It still needs some slight adjustment as it came out a bit fast but next one will be sweet. :)

    I had a laugh yea and I think I might try the steam trick too as I ran out of steam and it put water in my milk. :(
    Did not taste too nice.

    Thanks for pointing me in the correct direction the grinder works very well and they match.

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    Another happy camper.

    Let the fun begin mtarros

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Just got one thing what is the little rubber button on the bottom right for?

    All I got with the machine was a sheet of paper with not too much information about it.

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Hey mtarros
    I am going through the same dilemmas as you.
    Did you by any chance work out exactly why the original grinder was not getting you a good brew?
    I can understand that a good grinder will be more stable over temp/humidity/whatever. I can also understand that a set of blades will chew up the beans and thus lead to an unstable grind.
    But how does the grind vary when using a cheaper set of burrs like in the the Sunbeam, compared with say a flat set like the Rocky?
    Can you feel the difference with your fingers?
    Ta

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Hi,

    Well I think the original grinder had blunt burrs as it was a hand me down I had a laugh.
    The shop that I got my new machine from set up the same grinder and it was poring to slow with the finest grind.

    I think the difference between them is the consistency of the grind.
    On the original grinder some partials came out like dust then other partials were like sugar.

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Is it okay to link to another website that has two different versions of Iberital Challange? I believe the models are as follows:

    Iberital CA
    Iberital CGA

    I believe one says semi-automatic, the other is manual. I take it people buys the semi-automatic nowadays? Then it is just a matter of choosing doser or doserless version?

    Another question I want to ask. Since this grinder uses the same conical burrset as the Sunbeam EM0480, what makes this a better grinder than the Sunbeam? I am basically asking for $100 more, what am I paying for? Last but not least, where is this grinder make?

    Thanks again
    Stephen

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    Stephen,

    As far as I am aware the different models are available here.... and whether you choose the doser/doserless etc is a matter of personal preference.

    The big difference between the Iberital and the Sunbeam is the adjustment method. The Iberital uses a stepless adjustment for grind size (essential for the production of the best espresso as you need to make small adjustments as the beans age etc. The Sunbeam is stepped... and most users find the steps are too large. I would always recommend use of a stepless grinder or at least one with very, very small steps (Like the Rocky).... with the Sunbeam IMHO the steps are far too large. There are also some reliability issues with the Sunbeam (many requiring warranty replacement).

    There are other cosmetic differences... but grind adjustment is the most important.

    Country of manufacture - cant help there Im afraid.

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    If you can add to the budget, get the Iberital. The steps on the Sunbeam are indeed too large for refined espresso production as JavaB mentions.. I do find it frustrating... however, in the price range, the Sunbeam EM0480 is untouchable for grind quality and it was all I could afford at the time.

    My dream is a Compaq K6/\/Mazzer Mini ... and if you can stretch your budget to these.. NICE!! :-)

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Quote Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1179297601/15#19 date=1180997856
    If you can add to the budget, get the Iberital. The steps on the Sunbeam are indeed too large for refined espresso production as JavaB mentions.. I do find it frustrating... however, in the price range, the Sunbeam EM0480 is untouchable for grind quality and it was all I could afford at the time.

    My dream is a Compaq K6/\/Mazzer Mini ... *and if you can stretch your budget to these.. NICE!! *:-)
    I think I can squeeze in an Iberital but I like to see it first before I commit. The only problem is nobody seems to be able to tell me where in Perth I can go to have a look one!! Surely someone in Perth must sell coffee grinders?

    Stephen

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    Re: Grinder For Gaggia Classic

    Stephen,

    Suppliers of any quality coffee equipment are few and far between here in Perth....

    There are the normal retail outlets..... who wouldnt know a quality grinder, coffee machine or anything else if they fell over it...... and a couple of commercial coffee machine dealers - who sell mainly "top shelf" gear into the trade.....

    Ive been able to find nothing in the way of in-between suppliers. I know of two people here who bought Iberitals (one a fellow Snob) and both came from site sponsors over east.



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