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    Can't choose a new grinder <$500

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    Hi guys,

    I have a Sumbeam Café Series grinder. I use freshly roasted local beans and make decent expresso / latte with my Rancilio Silva.
    But always wanted to upgrade to a better quality grinder.
    Am hoping that one of these 3 will make an improvement to my coffee.

    I am wanting to spent under $500 and have investigated :

    Rocky
    Macap M2m
    Compak K3

    M4, Mazzer Mini / Vario and Jolly seem a little out of my price range.


    Was leaning towards the Macap M2m after good reviews but the Compak is stepless and 58mm burrs.
    Not sure if there is a difference in quality of grind with these 3 if so, would love to hear your opinions.


    All advice appreciated.

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    If you tend to make mostly 1or 2 at a time, a lido hand grinder punches well above its price-weight. What are they now? About $250? I've got one, which I love.

    just a left field suggestion anyway.

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    G'day "Cmars9"...

    Of the grinders you have listed, I'd be leaning more towards the Macap or Compak; they're both a step up from the Rocky.
    Don't worry too much about the Stepped/Stepless argument as the steps on the M2M are small enough so as to not create any "dial-in" issues. Plus, should you wish to grind for other coffee brewing methods now and again, you will really appreciate the 'quick-change' aspect of a stepped adjustment grinder.

    The other thing you mention about the 50mm vs 58mm burr-set size. In theory, it probably will make a small difference in grind time but practically, I don't think it would amount to much. You can't get into a Site Sponsor to get some hands-on demo comparisons, can you? Would make your decision process much simpler...

    Mal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    G'day "Cmars9"...

    Of the grinders you have listed, I'd be leaning more towards the Macap or Compak; they're both a step up from the Rocky.
    Don't worry too much about the Stepped/Stepless argument as the steps on the M2M are small enough so as to not create any "dial-in" issues. Plus, should you wish to grind for other coffee brewing methods now and again, you will really appreciate the 'quick-change' aspect of a stepped adjustment grinder.

    The other thing you mention about the 50mm vs 58mm burr-set size. In theory, it probably will make a small difference in grind time but practically, I don't think it would amount to much. You can't get into a Site Sponsor to get some hands-on demo comparisons, can you? Would make your decision process much simpler...

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    thanks,
    I live in the country so its a bit hard to get any grinders in shop.

    I found a Macap M2m for $400 delivered brand new.
    I also found the compak k3 for about $450.
    They seem to have the same features so i might just get the Macap unless the grind quality is not as good?

    Thanks

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    Must search for a container of 'em at that price.
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    The grind speed on the M2M and K3 is very similar. If anything I reckon the M2M goes faster (and it's not even available in red).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmars9 View Post
    thanks,
    I live in the country so its a bit hard to get any grinders in shop.

    I found a Macap M2m for $400 delivered brand new.


    Thanks

    If it a bloke on gumtree, that price is ex-GST.

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    I am in the exact same position, looking at the Macap m2m and K3, and have also been quoted the exact same price as you, if it's the same guy, he is selling the m2m for $390 making postage only $10, thats a great price, unsure if he is a site sponsor but I think he is a coffeesnob member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    If it a bloke on gumtree, that price is ex-GST.
    Wondering if he pays tax, GST or has anything in the way of bricks and mortar support and even if he doesn't, they're still stupid prices. Can't be any other way to make profit by selling at loss. Dodgy Bros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmars9 View Post
    thanks,
    I live in the country so its a bit hard to get any grinders in shop.

    I found a Macap M2m for $400 delivered brand new.
    I also found the compak k3 for about $450.
    They seem to have the same features so i might just get the Macap unless the grind quality is not as good?

    Thanks
    Welcome to CS!!!!

    My 1st thought on your post was a whole heap of warning bells.


    Caveat Emptor on this......

    I appreciate funds are at a premium for most of us. But do consider making a deal where you will get great after sales service.

    And for that, we have great site Sponsors who step up to the mark to help we learners on our coffee journey.

    Good luck with your choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmars9 View Post
    Rocky
    Macap M2m
    Compak K3
    Leaving supplier issues aside for the moment... the Rocky is not a bad grinder. The primary reason it is so common is because of its pairing with Silvia. However, this association is short-sighted - there is no real basis for it beyond aesthetics (eg matching the red toaster with the red kettle). The other two grinders listed are better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBeanGenii View Post
    Welcome to CS!!!!

    My 1st thought on your post was a whole heap of warning bells.


    Caveat Emptor on this......

    I appreciate funds are at a premium for most of us. But do consider making a deal where you will get great after sales service.

    And for that, we have great site Sponsors who step up to the mark to help we learners on our coffee journey.

    Good luck with your choices.

    Yea its just an ebay shop with a best offer of 375 and 25 delivery.

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    Different bloke to the gumtree guy. No address and like the tree guy- can't contact him either.

    One of our suppliers has confirmed that he was selling grey import stuff (without GST?) and with no manufacturers warranty in the past....He is not authorised as a seller of Rocket and is not being supplied by the ECA (Aust importer) so it's quite probably still grey. As for the other gear, who knows?

    The rest of us do the right thing (....and ultimately pick up the pieces for drop ship enterprises when it all turns to merde)....
    Last edited by TC; 15th October 2015 at 01:03 PM. Reason: more info

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    Can this business and person be named so we can all see if we are talking about the same person/business, buying stuff on the net is hard and can be a trap, the web site I went to looks professional, but talk_coffee is correct, I can't see a contact phone number, email address or physical street address on the site I went to.

    I need to buy off the net, I live in northern nsw, 3hours from Brisbane, and 8hours from Sydney so I can't just walk into a shop and talk to a salesman and look at machines, or even try a coffee from a demo machine,(how good must that be though, to actually try before you buy, I wouldn't buy a car unless I test drove it, and some coffee machines cost more than cars), so I use sites like coffeesnobs to help me make my decision, the more info I can get about both the product and the businesses selling them the better.

    Sorry to the OP we have shifted away from grinders a little

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    Tony,

    My best advice to you is send a quote request out to the Coffee Snob sponsors using the quote form.

    You will find all can send to you in NSW, are real businesses and deal with authorised importers or resellers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyh View Post
    Can this business and person be named so we can all see if we are talking about the same person/business, buying stuff on the net is hard and can be a trap, the web site I went to looks professional, but talk_coffee is correct, I can't see a contact phone number, email address or physical street address on the site I went to.
    There are a host of other things- some of which are required by law be on a website. Others are just the right thing to do- shipping policy, privacy policy, returns policy, contact #, address. If I don't see them, the website does not get my hard earned regardless of how good the offer may seem. I call that an unprofessional website.

    As Antony has suggested above, you can contact all sponsors with a single quote request.

    Cheers

    Chris
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    I did use the quote form to contact all sponsors a couple of days ago, and I would like to thank the 3 businesses who got back to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyh View Post
    I did use the quote form to contact all sponsors a couple of days ago, and I would like to thank the 3 businesses who got back to me.
    Good stuff Tony. We didn't reply as I figured freight would kill it for us and in all likelihood, you probably found us anyway.

    Good luck.

    Chris

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    Hi guys,

    I am also looking at these three grinders, for use at home and to replace a really bad Bodum grinder. It will mainly be used for pourover, French press and aeropress, but also possibly espresso at some stage in the future.

    Edit: As this is for home use, I will be looking at something that doesn't take up too much bench space, and will ideally fit under my wall-mounted cabinets.

    And, what's the difference with a doser/ doserless machine. At this stage, I will be grinding low volumes, so presumably doserless will be best for me?

    Are all three as good as each other when it comes to filter coffee, or is there anything else that I should know?

    I am in Perth, are there any suppliers that I should go and speak to?

    Thanks.
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    Hi Perthsnob,

    Welcome to Coffee snobs! For the range of coffee preparation methods that you intend to use it for, I would suggest a stepped grinder. This will make it easier to switch between french press and espresso grind levels. This leaves you with the choice between the Macap M2M and the Rocky. I would go the Macap as I find the Rocky steps are a bit too big for fine tuning some beans for espresso. I also find the Rocky a very slow grinder. So I guess I would recommend the Macap.

    Cheers, Dave

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    Thanks Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveD View Post
    Hi Perthsnob,

    Welcome to Coffee snobs! For the range of coffee preparation methods that you intend to use it for, I would suggest a stepped grinder. This will make it easier to switch between french press and espresso grind levels. This leaves you with the choice between the Macap M2M and the Rocky. I would go the Macap as I find the Rocky steps are a bit too big for fine tuning some beans for espresso. I also find the Rocky a very slow grinder. So I guess I would recommend the Macap.

    Cheers, Dave
    Hi Dave,

    Having decided to go for the Macap, I have just seen someone selling a secondhand Rocky and Silvia v2 for $600. Do you reckon that's a good deal? I don't want to hijack the thread, or go off on a tangent about coffee machines, but I will be looking to purchase a machine in the not too distant future - something affordable (<$1000?) that will let me learn and practice some barista skills, and then enable me to produce a commercial quality espresso. The Silvia seems to get mentioned a fair bit on here.

    Thanks.

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    Hi Perthsnob,

    That price is probably on the upper end of what I'd be willing to pay. A v2 silvia could be 7-10 years old, which is not a big deal if it's been well looked after. I do think Silvias are worth it as I have one myself. I would contact the site sponsors and see what they could suggest for your budget. Use the quote form at the top or bottom of the home page. If you're considering second hand I would look at the for sale section here in this site, as you'll be more likely to get a well looked after machine.

    Cheers, Dave

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    Maybe consider something like this:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/coffee-har...sh-sydney.html

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    Thanks again Dave, I'll have a chat to the site sponsors. And thanks for the link below.

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    Hi there i love my k3 push. Simple. And great consitency. Upgraded from a brevillle smart grinder and difference is huge. Much nicer grinder to rocky also.
    Just my second crack worth.

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    Cheers Chris

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    Would the K3 be a good grinder for pairing with a higher end Sunbeam coffee machine? (dont ask, its not for me!) They have borrowed my spare K10 until they find a new grinder, they prefer the 'serious' grinder look.

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    The K3 is a great grinder, which will outlast the Sunbeam. It will be good enough to be matched with any prosumer machine after that.

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    Sorry to hijack, but thought best to continue on a thread that is essentially the same to my dilemma. I have an EM7000 and EM0490 grinder. Of late the grinder is becoming frustrating to use, no longer is dialing it once enough, I'm chasing around the same 3 settings every few days to get it back on point.

    I borrowed a Baratza Precisio once and the difference was astounding. I had the chance to borrow it again recently and again was blown away by the difference. The Precisio (and CS politics aside) is an option but with the dollar its not priced not too far off the M2M and K3. How would these compare in grind quality to the M2M and K3? I would imagine build quality wouldn't be much of a comparison. Typically have milky coffees but also LBs and espressos if the mood is right. Also have an aeropress, but not sure it would get much use with it.

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    Go for the Macap m2m. I have owned a K3 and the grind retention was a deal breaker for me.
    Good luck
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