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    Second hand grinder advice

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    Hey guys,
    I recently found a em6910 in the work bin and its in perfect working order, I'm making some very nice coffee with it.
    But I'm finding my porlex hand grinder is making things a bit tedious and slow. My daily coffee machine before the 6910 was the ROK presso. So now I'm looking to make things faster.

    I'm trying to spend under $250. I've considered buying the cheaper sunbeams and adding shims...and then I thought about the breville smart grinder 820, Which for the price might be my best option for getting a fine enough grind.
    But then I was looking online for second hand commercial grinders and a couple pop up here and there for $200 and less.
    Is it worth even considering these second hand commercials for those prices?

    I've attached a couple of pictures of one I've found for $150. Does anyone know what sort of grinder it is?
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    The smart grinder pro works very well and is often on sale for under 200.

    A commercial style grinder (unless there is something seriously wrong with it) should work well and for ages especially if you fit new burrs. Most are built like tanks.

    Sorry I don't know what grinder is in the pic.

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    Forgot to add, the above is based on DIY ability to clean/service etc. if you need to pay someone you might as well put that to a new K3 or similar.

    Cheers

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    thanks for that! Not sure about fitting burs myself. The problem is I dont know that much about coffee and grinds, so unless the grinder didnt run or something very obvious was happening I doubt I'd know if the grinder was ok or if the burs needed changing.

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    Lido. A hand grinder that's far superior to the porlex ( I own both) . It might stretch your budget, but not by very much. Takes about 20 seconds to grind a shot and the quality is great. Surely as good as an electric at twice the price. Try Talk coffee for this.

    there is a new model: "lido e" it can dial in accurately more easily than previous models (like mine) due to a less 'steep' thread on the adjustment collar.

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    looks like a nice hand grinder! Chews those beans up very quickly! I think I still have my heart set on an electric though

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    Go the Breville 820 pro then, for the money it'll grind really well and they have a 2 year warranty

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    This seems like a good deal for $250

    edit....turns out its not located where I thought it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    Lido. A hand grinder that's far superior to the porlex ( I own both) . It might stretch your budget, but not by very much. Takes about 20 seconds to grind a shot and the quality is great.
    I have a Porlex and I agree it takes a little while to grind (I would say somewhere between 1-2 mins for a double shot ~17 grams) and I was looking into getting an electric lately. I'm not familiar with the Lido but it looks like a non ceramic version of the Porlex. Is there any other differences which the Lido has which would speed up the grind and make it superior?

    Note: I prefer hand grinder for portability. A 20 second grind sounds much better than an electric for my needs.

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    Yeah a Breville Smart Grinder is probably a good idea for someone without a lot of experience. A 2nd hand commercial machine could be awesome, but it's much more of an unknown quantity.

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    I have a mazzer mini & was after a second grinder for decaf & different single origins as i like to change beans a lot (have a few roasts at any one time)
    Have a porlex & the slowness led to that being relocated to work
    I got a Lido 3 as i realised for a small footprint grinder that has zero ground retention that i can measure in my 18g, grind in 20 secs , then repeat with a different coffee, no electric comes close.
    I wouldnt disregard the Lido lightly. My friend has a Rocky, tried my Lido & went & bought one & now barely uses his Rocky

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrvautin View Post
    I have a Porlex and I agree it takes a little while to grind (I would say somewhere between 1-2 mins for a double shot ~17 grams) and I was looking into getting an electric lately. I'm not familiar with the Lido but it looks like a non ceramic version of the Porlex. Is there any other differences which the Lido has which would speed up the grind and make it superior?

    Note: I prefer hand grinder for portability. A 20 second grind sounds much better than an electric for my needs.
    I wouldn't say Lido is simply a non- ceramic Porlex. It's in another class.

    Without giving specific sizes, the Lido has steel burrs, and they are bigger than the Porlex (~twice as big= fewer revs needed) .
    The handle is very solid, connected to the spindle/ axle, so it doesn't fly off. The centre burr set is held in place very firmly as its connected to the body of the grinder at the top and bottom. (No jiggly centre part > much better consistency of grinds.)

    But for portability, Lido is a solid little thing, about 2 kilos(?)/ 30cms high. Porlex just fits in your pocket!

    To me they're both good value grinders, but they are in different classes.
    hope that helps.
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    I did like the speed of the lido, but to change the grind did look very fiddley. I couldnt find a video of the updated lido e, I'll have to look again.
    I'm still undecided.
    What do you guys think of the ROK Coffee grinder?

    I keep seeing more cheap commercial grinders, but there are so many unknowns with them. If a commercial grinder broke down or the burrs were no good I'd be up for some serious money to fix it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDavid View Post
    I did like the speed of the lido, but to change the grind did look very fiddley
    I can't see how or why it would be classified as fiddly?

    Adjust coarser or finer and use locking ring to ensure grind stays set at what you set it to. No different in concept to a whole heap of commercial grinders in that many have some form locking mechanism.
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    If you can it's best to buy a brand new grinder unless you know the person who used it. In the past I bought a 1 year old grinder which didn't hold for one month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    I wouldn't say Lido is simply a non- ceramic Porlex. It's in another class.
    Certainly helps. I found a Youtube video shortly after commenting showing the size difference. I might give the Lido E a look as a possible next grinder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDavid View Post
    I'm still undecided. What do you guys think of the ROK Coffee grinder?.
    The ROK grinder is a great design, ergonomically much better than grinders with the handle on top. It is quite well made/built.

    BUT - and it's a very big but - it is let down by a cheap and nasty burr set. I tried three sets of burrs, two steel and one ceramic and none would grind fine enough for espresso.

    It seems to be a lottery. On other coffee web sites there are numerous posts from users who also found they could not get an espresso grind, but there are a few who say that they can, and they are quite happy with their grinder out of the box. But for every satisfied user there are several who are trying to find replacement burrs or mods to grind finer.

    It's a pity, because for the sake of a few more dollars spent on better burrs, this could have been a winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I can't see how or why it would be classified as fiddly?

    Adjust coarser or finer and use locking ring to ensure grind stays set at what you set it to. No different in concept to a whole heap of commercial grinders in that many have some form locking mechanism.
    I'm really only referring to what I saw in one video where the guy was tightening up the locking ring and it looked like the burr adjustment moved with the locking ring. Fiddly might have been the wrong word. Sounds like things might have changed in the lido e anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deegee View Post
    The ROK grinder is a great design, ergonomically much better than grinders with the handle on top. It is quite well made/built.

    BUT - and it's a very big but - it is let down by a cheap and nasty burr set. I tried three sets of burrs, two steel and one ceramic and none would grind fine enough for espresso.

    It seems to be a lottery. On other coffee web sites there are numerous posts from users who also found they could not get an espresso grind, but there are a few who say that they can, and they are quite happy with their grinder out of the box. But for every satisfied user there are several who are trying to find replacement burrs or mods to grind finer.

    It's a pity, because for the sake of a few more dollars spent on better burrs, this could have been a winner.
    thats unfortunate, because I was starting to like the look of it with the handle on the side of it, could really get some cranking done.

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    I ended up buying a rancilio MD50, it popped up for $100 so I grabbed it. I'm impressed! It's a bit of a monster and clearly for commercial use, but man does it grind fine! I'm pretty sure I made brown talcum powder!
    Seems to work really well, but I wonder if it's worth getting it serviced?
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    Interesting thread.
    It seems my bleoved EM 480 is not up to the mark according the the posters above.

    I have it set on 10, use a 7 gm VST basket on my EM6910, and if I tamp too hard I can choke my coffee machine.
    Seems great to me.

    Just saying, and I bought it used, for $80.00, I just bought another used one for my daughter,
    paid $70.00 for it.
    Here is hoping it is as good as mine is.
    And I have had mine for 4-5 years, I forget exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawill View Post
    Interesting thread.
    It seems my bleoved EM 480 is not up to the mark according the the posters above.

    I have it set on 10, use a 7 gm VST basket on my EM6910, and if I tamp too hard I can choke my coffee machine.
    Seems great to me.

    Just saying, and I bought it used, for $80.00, I just bought another used one for my daughter,
    paid $70.00 for it.
    Here is hoping it is as good as mine is.
    And I have had mine for 4-5 years, I forget exactly.
    The EM04xx grinders are great little grinders IMO. I've had 3 now and I reckon they're best in class except maybe for the Breville Smart Grinders (which I haven't used). Having now had a couple of larger flat burr grinders I can say from experience that they are a noticeable step up, however you'd probably only notice marginal gains pairing something with an EM6910 due to the limitations of that particular machine. I used an EM4820 for a few months recently, mostly with an EM0440 grinder, but I also tried it with my Compak K8. There was a definite improvement when used with the Compak, but not to such a degree that I'd suggest anyone using a Sunbeam espresso machine needs to rush out and buy a (semi) commercial grinder.
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    I opened up the md50 a bit tonight to see what its like around the burrs. Bit messy! Very hard clumps of grinds/oils around the bottom burr and some very solid clumps around the chute, cleaned that out and inspeced the burrs. I'm no expert but they seem very worn. I read somewhere in here that the edge of the burrs should catch your nail? These dont, they have fairly smooth and rounded edges on the burrs. Amazing how fine it can grind with such worn burrs. I'll order some new ones. I'm confident I can change the burrs. The next thing I would like to do is remove the box in the doser with the auto switch so I can brush out the chute.

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    Nice work. I have been running a MD 50 I collected from verge collection for a year. I gave it a full clean, new burrs (about $60) and took out the auto grinding. This thing is a beast.
    I am tight on my beans so I grind on demand. Level pf of beans in and I made a small plastic scraper to clean out the chute. I probably waste half a teaspoon of grounds on a single shot.

    I have considered cutting down the hopper as its huge but I have a big space for it in my outside coffee bar. (My wife can't stand my coffee addiction in the house). This thing should last you a lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macasaurus View Post
    Nice work. I have been running a MD 50 I collected from verge collection for a year. I gave it a full clean, new burrs (about $60) and took out the auto grinding. This thing is a beast.
    I am tight on my beans so I grind on demand. Level pf of beans in and I made a small plastic scraper to clean out the chute. I probably waste half a teaspoon of grounds on a single shot.

    I have considered cutting down the hopper as its huge but I have a big space for it in my outside coffee bar. (My wife can't stand my coffee addiction in the house). This thing should last you a lifetime.
    Nice! I like that little scraper! I've had another look at taking out the cover and switch around the chute but I can't see how to do it. Got any tips, tricks or photos?

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    I jumped in and gave it a shot anyway! The end result on the wires isn't exactly pretty, but its solid!

    I'm fairly happy now! I didnt like how many grinds were staying in the chute, even though beans aren't really an issue for me because I work at a bakery/cafe with "award winning beans".

    Next I might try running with no hopper so I can get even more grinds out.
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    Yeah I think I just heat shrunk the terminals and used hot glue to blank the holes off. The chute is big and flat so will hold about 10g in it so unless you are putting high volume through it you may need try brush or scrape it out. I just took my old Rocky grinder away on holidays and was reminded how much faster the MD 50 is at doing its thing.

    If you don't need to move it around its great. I did remove the tamper from the front to make it a bit cleaner looking.(and it was redundant).


    Good to hear you saved a 6910 from being destroyed too. I have now saved 5 machines that just needed a clean up and maybe a group seal.
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    yeah I'm a bit funny like that, can't stand to see things wasted! Feel like I'm making pretty good coffee considering I've only spent $100! 5 machines! Where did you find them?

    I'm tempted to find a better machine now that I've got a nice grinder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macasaurus View Post
    Nice work. I have been running a MD 50 I collected from verge collection for a year. I gave it a full clean, new burrs (about $60) and took out the auto grinding. This thing is a beast.
    I am tight on my beans so I grind on demand. Level pf of beans in and I made a small plastic scraper to clean out the chute. I probably waste half a teaspoon of grounds on a single shot.

    I have considered cutting down the hopper as its huge but I have a big space for it in my outside coffee bar. (My wife can't stand my coffee addiction in the house). This thing should last you a lifetime.
    Also love the scraper! Going to figure out how to copy that before you patent it.

    I'm on Day 1 of a used MD50, and tight on beans myself. How do you sweep off the shelf in the doser? The one that the star sweeps the coffee from? I get quite a bit of coffee in there and it is a slight pain to brush it out between the arms of the star. Is there an adjustment to make it sweep closer to the shelf?

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    I received and put in the new burrs in my md50 today! What a difference that makes! Now instead of the grinds slowly getting pushed out of the chute, they come flying out and completely spray the inside of the doser! I have to keep the lid on now. No more clumping!
    What a state it was under the burrs! So much gunk. Judging by the screws that hold the burrs on, I can see the burrs have been changed before, so maybe it didn't get cleaned out under there at the change over. All good now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDavid View Post
    I received and put in the new burrs in my md50 today!
    The manual simply says "Calibrate the new grinders" as the final step in grinders replacement. I have no idea how to do that - is there anything you can advise?

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    I think that means to wind the burrs up so they touch, then wind it back a tiny bit so that they aren't touching and then put back on your grind adjusting dial and have number 1 right up front. Thats what I assume. Mine seems just fine after doing that

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjb1013 View Post
    Also love the scraper! Going to figure out how to copy that before you patent it.

    I'm on Day 1 of a used MD50, and tight on beans myself. How do you sweep off the shelf in the doser? The one that the star sweeps the coffee from? I get quite a bit of coffee in there and it is a slight pain to brush it out between the arms of the star. Is there an adjustment to make it sweep closer to the shelf?
    Ha ha, you are welcome to copy the scraper. As you may have found if its to long it will buzz on the burr carrier. Just use soft plastic so you don't wreck anything. I use a small paintbrush dedicated to cleaning the grinder out for cleaning out the doser. You can adjust the hieght/volume of the dose but not how close it is to the floor. On my old Rocky I made little felt sweepers for 2 of the fins. That worked pretty well. This MD 50 sweeps pretty clean anyway so I haven't modded it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macasaurus View Post
    Ha ha, you are welcome to copy the scraper. As you may have found if its to long it will buzz on the burr carrier. Just use soft plastic so you don't wreck anything. I use a small paintbrush dedicated to cleaning the grinder out for cleaning out the doser. You can adjust the hieght/volume of the dose but not how close it is to the floor. On my old Rocky I made little felt sweepers for 2 of the fins. That worked pretty well. This MD 50 sweeps pretty clean anyway so I haven't modded it yet.
    I'm just using a little kids paint brush for clearing out the chute now, works fairly well, and I use that in the doser too. When I'm feeling a bit engineerish and artistic I might try to make your scraper.

    I feel like I won the lotto with the MD 50! such a good grinder and it was so cheap!



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