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    Hi guys. First time post but a long time visiter to this site. I have a Macap m4d grinder and I'm finding it very confusing. I have just got it on continuous mode for now as the digital settings do not seem user friendly. Can someone please help me with the following, would be much appreciated :

    1. The instruction manual has a function standard or push and grind. What is push and grind?
    2. The manual has - programming dose 1, programming dose 2 and dose number 3. Can someone tell me what the difference is, and for the double shot filter, which function should I choose?

    not sure if it's just me, but finding it difficult to understand this grinder. The instructions are not user friendly.

    Just so I can understand - so the advantage of having a grinder like this, is once I'm happy with the coarseness, I can set it up to time each dose. So each time it will have the exact weight? Is this right.

    Thanks in advance

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    Welcome Lawsy,

    It would probably have been a bit easier to follow if you either included page refs to the manual or direct quotes, but....'push and grind' = pushing the red button (once, twice, or three times) with the portafilter (or your whatever) and allowing a timed dose to be ground.

    Programmed Dose 1 = the grinding time if you push the red button (either with a portafilter or your finger) once, Prog Dose 2 = grinding time if you hit the red button twice in quick succession, Prog Dose 3= the grinding time if you push the red button 3 times in succession. I tend to set Dose 1= 2 seconds (just to use to clear out old grinds at the start of the day), Prog Dose 2 = anywhere b/w 9 and 11 seconds, which doses between 16 and 17g depending on bean, Prog Dose 3 = (I don't use much) but 13-14 seconds for a triple. Page 13 on my manual describes the process of Push and Grind for each dose.

    The basic idea is that once you're happy and your timed setting you well get approximately the same weight (there will be minor variation that shouldn't matter to the brewing process). However, as beans age you need to adjust the grind (generally finer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Welcome Lawsy,

    It would probably have been a bit easier to follow if you either included page refs to the manual or direct quotes, but....'push and grind' = pushing the red button (once, twice, or three times) with the portafilter (or your whatever) and allowing a timed dose to be ground.

    Programmed Dose 1 = the grinding time if you push the red button (either with a portafilter or your finger) once, Prog Dose 2 = grinding time if you hit the red button twice in quick succession, Prog Dose 3= the grinding time if you push the red button 3 times in succession. I tend to set Dose 1= 2 seconds (just to use to clear out old grinds at the start of the day), Prog Dose 2 = anywhere b/w 9 and 11 seconds, which doses between 16 and 17g depending on bean, Prog Dose 3 = (I don't use much) but 13-14 seconds for a triple. Page 13 on my manual describes the process of Push and Grind for each dose.

    The basic idea is that once you're happy and your timed setting you well get approximately the same weight (there will be minor variation that shouldn't matter to the brewing process). However, as beans age you need to adjust the grind (generally finer).


    Thank you! Now I understand. So, what is dose counter, P: partial and T: total mean? What is this function for?

    I was told not to bother using the single basket, instead just use the double one and look to fill that to 18-20g- I was told this would be around 9 sec grind on my grinder. So, if I want to make a coffee just for myself, so I just use the double baskets still? Doesn't that mean I'm giving myself a double shot?

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    I think it means grind and extract a double shot into two shot glasses and use one and discard the other. Extraction seems to work best with the double basket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawsy View Post
    Thank you! Now I understand. So, what is dose counter, P: partial and T: total mean? What is this function for?

    I was told not to bother using the single basket, instead just use the double one and look to fill that to 18-20g- I was told this would be around 9 sec grind on my grinder. So, if I want to make a coffee just for myself, so I just use the double baskets still? Doesn't that mean I'm giving myself a double shot?
    The dose counter will count how many doses the grinder has dispensed (since being reset for the 'partial' counter). This is made pretty clear on p.12 of the manual in the section title 'Dose Counter' (maybe you have an incomplete manual?). Nothing to worry yourself about.

    Yes, if you pull a shot (approx 45-60mls) from the double basket, you've served a double shot.

    How are you used to drinking your coffee? Straight espresso or espresso-based milk drinks? If the latter, and if ordered in anything other than the smallest cup sizes, you may well be drinking double shots anyway.

    The M4D is a great grinder. Sounds like you might benefit from doing a short 'intro to espresso' course to get the most out of it. What machine are you using to brew your coffee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    The dose counter will count how many doses the grinder has dispensed (since being reset for the 'partial' counter). This is made pretty clear on p.12 of the manual in the section title 'Dose Counter' (maybe you have an incomplete manual?). Nothing to worry yourself about.

    Yes, if you pull a shot (approx 45-60mls) from the double basket, you've served a double shot.

    How are you used to drinking your coffee? Straight espresso or espresso-based milk drinks? If the latter, and if ordered in anything other than the smallest cup sizes, you may well be drinking double shots anyway.

    The M4D is a great grinder. Sounds like you might benefit from doing a short 'intro to espresso' course to get the most out of it. What machine are you using to brew your coffee?

    Ok great, thanks for your help. I like picollos and I usually make two at a time I.e around 30ml in each.

    Yes i I definitely would like to go to a training courses, in particular to master the grinder. I'm in Brisbane so any suggestions?

    i bought a rocket Giotto v2 machine- so I'm also trying to get use to that too.

    Lots is to try and learn.

    I have the super naked filter - so this may be good to use for only one coffee? Not sure I can use that to make two

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    You can custom preset the single, double or triple push and grind settings to whatever you like to ensure you get a relatively consistent amount of grinds for your basket - e.g. I have double at 8.7 sec and a different double basket on my triple at 9.2s.

    Your naked filter will be great for learning distribution and tamping technique irrespective of the size of filter basket in it - but since you can only split the shot post pour it will be better for one coffee.

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    You have a great set up - Giotto Rocket v2 and a M4D. There is a learning curve, at least there was for me. What I call the 'fine tuning' and 'getting the balance' between the grinder and the espresso machine takes time. Once you've got it the taste in the cup just gets better.

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    A quick revisit here guys, will the grind times reduce over time once the blades bed in. My grinder is only sitting on around the 300 double shot mark. I gather timing should reduce as I get more kg through it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snedden9485 View Post
    A quick revisit here guys, will the grind times reduce over time once the blades bed in. My grinder is only sitting on around the 300 double shot mark. I gather timing should reduce as I get more kg through it?
    Should be just about bedded in at that stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snedden9485 View Post
    A quick revisit here guys, will the grind times reduce over time once the blades bed in. My grinder is only sitting on around the 300 double shot mark. I gather timing should reduce as I get more kg through it?
    Hi Snedden
    I wouldn't think so - the shots will just get a little more consistent. The burrs are as sharp as they'll ever be when new (so as fast as they'll ever cut) bedding in will simply take off the uneven machine edges. Your time will slow as burrs get blunt… but that shouldn't be for many happy years
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