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    Baratza Sette

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    First pics I've seen of the new baratza
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    Looks really nice!
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    Some nice features too. Not much love for Baratza on CS though. I wonder if its weighing works with the bin, or just the pf holder? Sorta grown attached to having a bin.

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    This looks like the bin in this picture - so appears it is getting weighed. Cylinder shape not good for pouring grinds into basket though.
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    I just learned that they will be working with acaia to integrate wieght/app in the new baratza
    Baratza Reveals the Sette: One Rotating Ring to Rule Them All | Daily Coffee News by Roast Magazine
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    Cylinder shape not good for pouring grinds into basket though.
    Looks to have a spout on the front
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    Unless it is much better built than the Preciso it is replacing, it will be just another appliance grinder. A fancy one with great looking features and gizmos, but is it another a throw-away with a short life and little resale value ??.

    If Baratza put more resources into improving the quality and longevity of their products and less into designing and making new models, they could have some good gear. But they keep releasing new designs that don't seem to have been properly tested, then they sell parts for upgrades to overcome the problems experienced by users.

    The Etzinger burrs (used in some models) are very good, but they are mounted in plastic housings and driven by plastic gears. The wear and flex of these parts requires frequent adjusting and re-calibration.

    It will be interesting to see if they have learned anything from the Preciso and use more metal and less plastic in this one.
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    3 years now with a Preciso, 50 kg through it, it could die now and it's served its purpose in ways that more expensive grinders wouldn't have. No frequent adjustments, no recalibration either beyond changing the grind as beans mature.

    Sure I've just recently replaced the burr holder for the second time, but it's a sacrificial $4 part that was designed to crack should a rock or such be encountered. Much preferable to me than stalling the motor or wrecking the burrs. Baratza aim at a price point - one would hope anything more expensive is superior in certain ways.

    I'll check out reviews of course of this 270W, but the weighing method (if accurate which I'm sceptical of) has captured my attention.

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    With a retail price of $500, might as well get a Compak K3 or a Macap M2M instead, both proven and reliable grinders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    3 years now with a Preciso, 50 kg through it, it could die now and it's served its purpose in ways that more expensive grinders wouldn't have. No frequent adjustments, no recalibration either beyond changing the grind as beans mature.
    Maybe I got a lemon. I gave up on my Preciso in just under 2 years, and probably less than 30 Kg's. As it got older it needed frequent adjustment and re-calibration, and very frequent cleaning - and not just a quick clean, but a complete strip down, scrub down and reassembly. For the first year it was good, but eventually it was so high maintenance that it was more trouble than it was worth, so I scrapped it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    3 years now with a Preciso, 50 kg through it, it could die now and it's served its purpose in ways that more expensive grinders wouldn't have.
    50Kg is nothing for any of the many Italian/Spanish made grinders recommended here. Several wouldn't even be run-in yet...

    When you have a grinder that has processed upwards of a tonne of coffee and still asking for more, then you can say you've got your money's worth...

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    ...if you indeed will be putting a tonne through it. If not, you'll be paying for longevity never needed and reliant on good resale prices to get your money's worth. Good resale's easier to pick once after a grinder's been out many years and gets a reputation, but a bit of luck when just released. Wait those years and you're missing out on the latest tech if that's indeed important. I do feel both buying high and buying low strategies do have merit however.

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    i like the different styling, especially the way you cant see the tapered rear base from the front corner view,looks like the figure 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    .. looks like the figure 7.

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    It's meant to, sette being italian for seven. It also weights 7 pounds .

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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    It's meant to, sette being italian for seven. It also weights 7 pounds .
    i guess the heavy duty 10 pound version will be a two piece affair!!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    ...if you indeed will be putting a tonne through it.
    Will happen one day...

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    Wait those years and you're missing out on the latest tech if that's indeed important.
    No, not important in the slightest.
    Ongoing and reliable quality in the cup is what I consider important...

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    i guess the heavy duty 10 pound version will be a two piece affair!!??

    cheers
    If it is like the Preciso, nearly half the weight will be a big heavy cast metal base. In the Preciso this was not really necessary, but it gave the impression that the grinder was much more solidly built. I suppose it did help to make it a bit more stable.

    The Sette looks like it could be a bit top heavy and unstable unless there is a big lump of lead in the base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    50Kg is nothing for any of the many Italian/Spanish made grinders recommended here. Several wouldn't even be run-in yet...

    When you have a grinder that has processed upwards of a tonne of coffee and still asking for more, then you can say you've got your money's worth...

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    FWIW my Mazzer Mini has ground approx 300 KG since I bought it new about 7 years ago, still runs as well as the day I first set it up on the bench.

    The only money spent has been on a new set of burrs about 6 months ago, yep, new burrs made quite a difference.

    As Simonko said re the Baratza, not much love for the Mazzer Mini on CS either, regardless its served me well and I ain't about to change.
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    After asking some questions in the "God Shot" thread everyone suggested I get a conical burr grinder, so I think I might invest in one of these.

    Does anyone know when they are hitting the shelves in Australia and what will they cost here?

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    This is not the same league as what was suggested in that thread. That's not to say this is necessarily inappropriate, just not to be confused with a large cafe style conical grinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deegee View Post
    If it is like the Preciso, nearly half the weight will be a big heavy cast metal base. In the Preciso this was not really necessary, but it gave the impression that the grinder was much more solidly built. I suppose it did help to make it a bit more stable.

    The Sette looks like it could be a bit top heavy and unstable unless there is a big lump of lead in the base.
    Wish they did that to my $700 blender I regret buying - to prevent it tipping over they made the PULSE button only work while the blender is already running (defeating the whole purpose of such a button).

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    It's the first decent looking offer from this mob I have seen. The questions are how long until it goes pop and what level of massive price premium?

    I feel inclined to see how long it takes to break one when they become available.
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    Quote from home barista:


    I actually called Baratza today about the sette. I asked what they could tell me about this grinder, as I'm seriously in the market for an upgrade to my Baratza Vario. This is what they shared with me:

    1. Conical grinder. Same size burr set as their current conical line (40mm), so not a Titan replacement.

    2. Rollout (ie widespread availability for purchase) expected for this summer.

    3. Price point less than Forte.

    4. Seems to be intended for espresso. I didn't ask about suitability for brewed applications, as that's irrelevant to me (my Vario will be relegated to that task alone after the upgrade).

    Obviously, they were unwilling to share all the specifics until after the debut in Atlanta at the scaa, but they were gracious enough to share these tidbits.

    It may not be the upgrade that I'd so hoped for, but I may hold off a bit for a little further info.

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    One thing that is a nice touch is the costed PF rest to prevent marking the PF.

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    Call me a Luddite if you like, however I steer clear of any device that involve complex electronics, digital readouts and the like, when they fail, and they will, it becomes a disposable item.

    I agree, the Baratza is a very nice looking grinder, but wouldn't find its way onto my bench for the reasons mentioned.

    I know the technophobes will love it, I'm not one of em, give me performance before aesthetics every time.
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    Agree there and thanks for reminding me. Initially thought the Sette may be a solution to my woes with jewellery scales failing, but it's weighing shots rather than grinds which kills them.

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    Have just seen a youtube clip thru Whole Latte Love. Looks inpressive, can't comment about robustness though

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    Substantially larger than the Vario, which I didn't expect - Dan has a noise comparo video on home-barista which shows it. Not the nicest sounding either. Also not sure what its bluetooth connectivity is good for - I can sort of see the merit for shot scales, not so much for grinding scales.

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    Zero retention and dosing by weight...? this could be the grinder of my dreams.

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    Baratza Sette

    This is a potential game changer for a domestic grinder.

    From an engineering point of view, the design makes a lot of sense. Love the bottomless path.
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    I like the design, don't like the materials its made from, watching the video I see mostly plastic, looks like the drive gears are plastic as well, plastic and electronics don't add up to to a long life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    electronics don't add up to to a long life.
    Properly specified electronics is never a problem. The problems arise when short-cuts and cost-cutting occurs, as with everything else...

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    Baratza Sette

    I guess this is where my comment about domestic use is relevant.

    Many of us are using grinders that are massively over engineered. We domestic users are lucky if we do a kilo a week, yet we use grinders designed for smashing through several kilos a day.

    That's where this thing is a potential game changer. Relatively low cost. Speed of grinders 10x the price, and virtually zero retention of grounds (the last feature also more relevant to domestic users).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Properly specified electronics is never a problem. The problems arise when short-cuts and cost-cutting occurs, as with everything else...

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    Can only equate my opinion to personal experience in the sample prep dept (core farm) of a large mine Mal, if it was mechanical it could be worked on and repaired, if it was electronically controlled it eventually failed (usually at the most inconvenient time) and was a job for an electronics tech, replacement modules were seldom on hand and had to be shipped from interstate or overseas, which of course meant considerable down time.

    In the home environment I adopt a similar philosophy where ever possible, although must admit this is becoming increasingly difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    I guess this is where my comment about domestic use is relevant.

    Many of us are using grinders that are massively over engineered. We domestic users are lucky if we do a kilo a week, yet we use grinders designed for smashing through several kilos a day.

    That's where this thing is a potential game changer. Relatively low cost. Speed of grinders 10x the price, and virtually zero retention of grounds (the last feature also more relevant to domestic users).
    I hear and understand exactly what your saying Herzog, I'm an advocate of function before form, when I buy an object I like to think it will serve me well, carrying out it's intended purpose for many years, hate disposing of a plastic/electronic device because it's not a repairable proposition.

    As I said, reckon the design of this grinder is very good, however, feel the points I mentioned and the plastic geared drive may well be its Achilles heel.

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    Agreed. FWIW, it's the first they have produced which has pricked my interest, but the reputation of the Precisio precedes it.

    If it can hold together for a few years without breaking/repair, sure thing- the concept has merit. So far, lots of overpriced appliance style grinders from this brand- so the jury is out.

    I'll probably get one as an evaluation unit and see how it goes under pressure....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    if it was electronically controlled it eventually failed (usually at the most inconvenient time) and was a job for an electronics tech, replacement modules were seldom on hand and had to be shipped from interstate or overseas, which of course meant considerable down time.
    Sounds more like a management and maintenance problem to me Yelta but can't decry your personal experience and I can only speak from my own (my field of expertise as it happens)...

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    Today's new vid by WLL:

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    Pretty impressive performance from the video at least...

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    Yeah, if we assume 0.2g for doubles, that still gives me a pretty consistent extraction at home. Can't really imagine the 270W being much better (having to predict) but will be interesting to see.


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    Quite impressive in performance and concept. Hope it proves to be durable, looks like a perfect home grinder.

    I guess with the weight version you can just dial in the weight you want instead of trying to remember the grind time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    Can't really imagine the 270W being much better (having to predict) but will be interesting to see.
    Had to smile at the model nomenclature... 270W also happens to represent a long established rifle calibre, otherwise written as .270 Winchester...

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    I don't know guns apart from those I got using a Porlex for a while, but the first time I saw '270W' before knowing what 'W' meant, I thought it was its power consumption. Of course I had to look it up. Close - it was 290 watts.

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    Looks like the Australian tax hits again with the Sette. AUD 629 preorder at coffeeparts, around AUD 490 in US so 28% aussie tax .

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    10% is GST. Shipping is more. I don't think that sounds unreasonable.

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    Agreed, not much of a premium at all.

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    Comparing other models on baratza.com (USD) and coffeeparts.com.au (AUD), and difference (%):

    Forte AP - USD950, AUD1079 - 13.5%
    Preciso - USD325, AUD359 - 10.5%
    Sette 270 - USD379, AUD629 - 66%
    Sette 270W - USD499, AUD769 - 54%

    I don't think this is price reduction of old stock either as I paid AUD330 for my Preciso over 3 years ago.

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    Guessing that Forte AP and Preciso are stock that was bought when exchange rate was closer to 1:1 and Coffeeparts is letting the customer have the exchange rate benefit from then.
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    499 x 1.1 / 0.74 = $742 AUD.

    Negligible Australia tax when you factor in the shipping

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    Why do you think it's cheaper to ship from Taiwan to US than to Australia?



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