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Thread: Fausto vs M4D

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    Fausto vs M4D

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    Apologies if this has been covered - a quick search didn't reveal any direct conparison.

    It's upgraditis time! Not the Synchronika, but I've decided much as I like my Fiorenzato I would prefer a timed doserless grinder for daily use. A flat burr would probably suit my taste better than the conical too (I'll probably hold onto the Fiorenzato as a second grinder for SO beans that I want to come out a little brighter).

    So these two would appear to be direct competitors on specs. Obviously there's a fair difference in price; is the Fausto significantly better in terms of performance or use? I'm kinda drawn to the aesthetics, and the pf holder and grind adjustment knob look like neat features - but maybe not worth the price premium unless there's something else I'm missing...

    Any others I should be considering? Budget isn't the primary consideration; I'd rather buy once than score a bargain that I upgrade from in six months...

    (I guess ECM/Profi 64 would be logical candidates...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Any others I should be considering?
    Have a look over the Compak E5OD... Between the Macap and Rocket on price. Streets ahead of all competitors on the software interface
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Have a look over the Compak E5OD... Between the Macap and Rocket on price. Streets ahead of all competitors on the software interface
    Does the E5 OD have the same burr set as the K3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinang3 View Post
    Does the E5 OD have the same burr set as the K3?
    No.

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    Thanks for the replies - turns out there's lots to consider and these two aren't even in my final shortlist!

    Definitely like the look of both the ECM and the Compak. Probably largely comes down to relatively minor things like pf holders, layout and aesthetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Lots of choice Matt.
    As discussed, the ECM Titan is another option. These landed a couple of weeks ago. Here's the Titan beside a Quamar Q50P
    Must say I'm a fan of that, though I'm sure it's overkill for a home setup... the plastic grind adjustment gear on the *64 is a little offputting, though I'm sure it's fine in practice, so nice to see some solid looking metal there. Is the dregs tray plastic though? Looks like metal in the ECM promo shots, but plastic in the photo above? Likely to be any big improvements in practice over the *64 models? I guess titanium burrs should outlive me...

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    I've been a Fausto owner/user since Saturday, so I'm still on my L-plates.

    Adjusting the grind with the dial button is much, much easier than the stiff collar on my previous Mazzer. Setting the grind time (separate buttons for single and doubles) is also very easy. The machine is a bit quieter than the Mazzer, I think. There are some nice YouTube reviews on the Fausto. I went with the black option and I think it's very attractive on the bench.

    I'm very, very happy with it so far and I'd include it in the mix of the excellent machines that are being discussed in the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Have a look over the Compak E5OD... Between the Macap and Rocket on price. Streets ahead of all competitors on the software interface
    Thanks Chris, looks the goods. Is the PK range also worth considering/waiting for, or likely to be in another price bracket altogether?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Thanks Chris, looks the goods. Is the PK range also worth considering/waiting for, or likely to be in another price bracket altogether?
    You only needed to look one thread down from this one Matt http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/4...ompak-pkr.html
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    Aha! Thanks 👍

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    For those playing along at home, the answer ended up being "neither" - went with an ECM S64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    For those playing along at home, the answer ended up being "neither" - went with an ECM S64
    Have you got it already, how's it tasting.

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    Well done Matt, the agony of choosing is over!

    The truth is we're spoilt for choice and we can't really go wrong with most of these machines we contemplate buying here.
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    Thanks again Paul! Now the real agony begins - waiting for the courier :/

    Reckon you're right Richard; they all review well and the differences in features seem pretty minor. All else being equal probably would've prefered a portafilter holder rather than rest - but for the few seconds it takes to grind a double I guess I can live with holding it

    I plan on using the timer (will still weigh the dose after, at least to begin with); I'm hoping the timer setting will be pretty much set and forget so software wasn't a deciding factor for me... aesthetics and the matchy-matchy factor was enough to tip me, along with Paul and Readeral's positive reviews of the almost-identical Profi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    I need to clarify something for readers of this thread. Nick mentioned that it looked like I hijacked this thread. Far from it. Matt called me before posting so we were already talking. There was lots of off-line Comms that you obviously don't see on the forum. I just want to clear that up 100%
    I thought it was kinda funny that someone would think a recommendation in a thread asking for recommendations was a "hijack"...
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    My second crack - an accurate digital timer is an important feature for me, but the software interface somewhat less so... I'm hoping the timer will be pretty much set-and-forget, so while the Compak interface does look great, all else being equal I chose the ECM for aesthetics and other minor features (chute over funnel, PF push button over separate screen etc). If I end up adjusting the timer frequently that might be a decision I'll regret - but then if that's the case there's little point having the timer and I'll end up dosing by weight as Paul describes anyway. Good news is that looks simple with the ECM as the portafilter push button is simply held in for untimed grinding. Most likely any of the grinders in this thread and plenty of others would suffice, but I'm pretty sure the ECM is the right one for me.
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    Head shake......

    Isn't every grinder discussed in this thread a timed, doserless grinder? Why would anyone buy a timed doserless grinder to 'not' use the features they purchased?

    Paul - you may find most of your customers do the same as you because that is what you train them to do. You may also find those that don't have read the instructions and benefit from the full potential of the timed doserless grinder. In this 'class' there is not much to seperate any of these grinders, except probably appearance and user interface. Your inference that the software doesn't matter because nobody uses it says more about you than the grinder. Sorry mate, love your passion and what you bring to this forum but......head shake.

    I have used the Profi 64, I have an ECM Technika and I have no doubt Magic Matt is going to love his grinder as we all do.
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    All I can say..whatever works..Coffee is individual after all and there's no right or wrong. Some people even hate to waste that 2cent from purging a grinder, some doesn't mind. Who's wrong?

    But indeed the original intention of an accurately-timed grinder is to dispense just so the right amount of coffee without needing to sweep any excess. However, the distribution may be less than ideal in most grinders (filling only halfway up the basket, a denser mount of coffee in the center, off-center distribution etc etc). As such, some will find that overdosing and sweeping the excess give them better result - that's their workflow they've found.
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    Grinding to overfill the basket followed by a swipe to level and tamp is a fairly rudimentary way of dosing. Sure it allows for some consistency, but has some serious drawbacks and just seems silly if you own an electric doserless grinder. I'd imagine it's useful in certain commercial applications on certain machines, but wouldn't always work on domestic machines. I've got two espresso machines and neither would work if I used this method as I'd be underfilling the basket on one machine and waaaaay over filling on the other. I'd happily use this method if it was the best with what I was using, but I can't see how a 'one size fits all' approach works here. BTW: Nice looking new grinder Matt, look forward to hearing about it.
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    True enough @LeroyC, though it does allow for pretty good consistency and is still a fairly standard technique in many cafes. In fact afaict it was pretty much "best practice" on the competition circuit until fairly recently - remember when Scotty Callaghan's dosing tools were all the rage? I might be wrong, but think it was really only when the M4D came out that accurate timed grinding became a viable option for most home users.

    But yeah, I wouldn't look in this class if I wasn't planning to use the timer.

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    Spot on @samuellaw178 - I've used the overfill-and-swipe method (sunbeam), single-dosing with a large conical doser (Fiorenzato) and now want to try something different with a timed doserless. Will it work better for me? Who knows, but I'm quietly confident it will. At the end of the day, my coffee gear is toys not tools, so I can afford to experiment a bit.
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    I have a doser grinder and free dose without doing the overfill and swipe. I would like a new grinder that took care of that for me though.
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