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    New Helor 101 Hand Grinder?

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    G'day, this is my first post please take it easy on me..

    So it's about time for me to upgrade to a new decent grinder and I found the Helor 101 Hand grinder looks pretty sleek and solid. Even the burrs are interchangeable. I know for the same price I'll get better results from a hand grinder than an electric one.

    I've heard good things about it from Matty D's Blog. Should I go for this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cincono View Post
    G'day, this is my first post please take it easy on me..

    So it's about time for me to upgrade to a new decent grinder and I found the Helor 101 Hand grinder looks pretty sleek and solid. Even the burrs are interchangeable. I know for the same price I'll get better results from a hand grinder than an electric one.

    I've heard good things about it from Matty D's Blog. Should I go for this one?
    For $300 you should be able to get a decent electric grinder (used). So unless you have other reasons for wanting a manual grinder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    For $300 you should be able to get a decent electric grinder (used). So unless you have other reasons for wanting a manual grinder...
    Having seen one in the metal, they are beautifully executed and offer a good (albeit slower) alternative to the Lido series.

    I can't imagine any $300 electrical- be it new or used getting to within a bulls roar of a precision made hand operated conical. I don't feel the comparison is a valid one.
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    Mostly 2 brews a day at home, an electric one seems to be hard to clean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Having seen one in the metal, they are beautifully executed and offer a good (albeit slower) alternative to the Lido series.

    I can't imagine any $300 electrical- be it new or used getting to within a bulls roar of a precision made hand operated conical. I don't feel the comparison is a valid one.
    So their biggest advantage is being perfectly aligned with burrs? since their body is made of one piece metal. Does this improve the consistency?

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    In addition to these, an aluminium alloy unibody design improves the stiffness of the entire grinder body as compared to plastic made bodies. The shape of the grinder remains even if it endures certain dropping or pressing.
    This is what I found on their website. commercial link removed per Site Posting Policy
    Is Lido made of plastic? Also, I'm not too sure about the advantage of metal burrs over ceramic ones?
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    It's a case of buy whichever top end conical burr hand grinder you prefer the look of. The grind quality will be identical. The rest- marketing faff.
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    Interesting grinder that Helor! I haven't seen it before, but looks nice and the construction looks promising.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincono View Post
    Is Lido made of plastic? Also, I'm not too sure about the advantage of metal burrs over ceramic ones?
    The Lido grinders are made of metal where it's not transparent, the transparent parts are either glass or plastic depending on whether you're looking at the Lido II or Lido III.

    Both the Helor and Lido use metal burrs, I believe the ceramic part of the Helor is only the bearings that the central shaft runs through.

    I own a Lido III and I personally found that for filter brews, no electric grinders my brother or myself have owned come anywhere close (we've owned Mazzer Mini, Major, Kony and a Breville Smart Grinder - might have missed some cheaper ones in between)

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    Great to see hand grinders of this calibre being manufactured right here in Oz.

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    Manufactured, no. Designed and assembled, yes! I have one, and it's a bloody nice bit of kit. The aluminium 'unibody' construction and general simplicity / aesthetic is very much in the line of Jony Ive / Apple which I have no problem with! Nice heft but not heavy, beautifully machined.

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    Is it even designed and assembled in Oz? From the English bits that I've gleaned from https://www.kaffee-netz.de/threads/h...e.95385/page-4 it seems to be a Chinese product all the way.

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    Well all I know is it was handed to me by one of the designers who lives not far from my workshop in Melbourne. Most of the components are made in China and I understand the burrs are Italian. I can't see the country of origin as very important - Orphan Espresso for example also contract to a Chinese manufacturer, as does the vast majority of designers who want to get their product off the drawing board. The quality is there in spades and there is clearly a good level of support. Ticks all my boxes!
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    I had a quick look at Rick's grinder and fwiw, it looked pretty good to me....

    On OE and direct from the keyboard of Barb via email late last week...
    "You may already know that OE has left our old production facility and started a new factory in Taichung City, Taiwan to produce our products."

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    ahh well there you go. In many industries Taiwanese manufacturing certainly has a better rep than Chinese, but like anything you gets what you pays for, and Chinese made is no longer justifiable as a byword for inferiority.
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    IMO china as a byword for inferiority is a bit of a selection bias for the fact that anything good coming out of there tends not to be mentioned or picked up. i mean, how often does one question where something is made in when it works well. usually just assume its made in a reputable country and leave it at that. where you usually find yourself looking for the origin country when its a piece of crap hardware or stop working. and to add to that, proceed to complain about it somewhere

    looks like a great product! if only i didn't bite on the lido II (which, dont get me wrong is a great piece of kit.. but every now and then i find myself wishing some of the very minor kinks were worked out before i bought one) so early on....

    it appears the concept of the design is similar to the hario slim/porlex idea but with massive improvements where it counts

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincono View Post
    So their biggest advantage is being perfectly aligned with burrs? since their body is made of one piece metal. Does this improve the consistency?
    one piece means less play between parts which was the problem with the hario slim/porlex. The burrs wouldnt sit anchored to anything else and resulted in play between top and bottom burr which gave an inconsistent grind - especially for filter grinds. i recall a couple of times where no matter how coarse or fine i made my grind it would still results in a very similar pour time... right until it got way too coarse and just gushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffee_machinist View Post
    ...but like anything you gets what you pays for, and Chinese made is no longer justifiable as a byword for inferiority.
    That's how I've heard it. The Chinese have the technology and capability of manufacturing high quality products but the quality depends on how much the customer wants to spend.

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    The machined unibody design looks promising. Makes sense too as your top and bottom bearings are permanently fixed/aligned, like the Rosco Mini which is a work of art itself. I'd rather trust the precision of a good machining technique (which can be down to 0.01 mm tolerance) than my own ability to manually align. For the very least, I imagine you don't have to mess with alignment so much as with some other grinders....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    That's how I've heard it. The Chinese have the technology and capability of manufacturing high quality products but the quality depends on how much the customer wants to spend.
    Exactly. I am not sure how true it is. But there was some news back then they could manufacture fake eggs, that could rival and be sold cheaper than the actual egg. Imagine that. If this is not technology, I don't know what it is then.

    In China, I imagine life is a lot more competitive than in any other part of the world due to the sheer population. As a result, you will get more top brains out of that competitive environment. It's easy to manufacture something with no price ceiling. But to do it at a cheap price point, and yet deliverable to customer, that's a whole lot tougher. We are doing ourselves a disservice to confine our thinking to China-made=inferior.

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    Looks like there is also a Helor 102 on its way (HG-One look-a-like)
    - or maybe it was a prototype that never got off the ground
    Last edited by saeco_user; 2nd August 2016 at 12:06 PM. Reason: added more info

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    If you want to buy Helor, you can buy from their official site on Taobao if you know someone in China or via proxy https://world.taobao.com/item/526964....Ctk3IY#detail. A member of another coffee forum kindly sent me this link.
    It's sold much cheaper there, ranging at $140-$190. The shipping will cost about $30 max. And it seems it's already been existing in China for a while so it's not something new but just recently distributed to OZ with a higher price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdimdom View Post
    one piece means less play between parts which was the problem with the hario slim/porlex. The burrs wouldnt sit anchored to anything else and resulted in play between top and bottom burr which gave an inconsistent grind - especially for filter grinds. i recall a couple of times where no matter how coarse or fine i made my grind it would still results in a very similar pour time... right until it got way too coarse and just gushed.
    That sounds like the last hand grinder I need to buy...

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    Is it just my impression or the "marketing" division of Helor is here in force? New members posting links and such, just when Helor is coming out of the pre-order phase

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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    Is it just my impression or the "marketing" division of Helor is here in force? New members posting links and such, just when Helor is coming out of the pre-order phase
    I don't know; even if you are right it has led to us learning about what looks like a really nice bit of kit. There was a reference back to a local authority that a lot of us enjoy reading and respect.

    I'm a confirmed purchaser when the Helor is available locally. It will suit my needs at work where I use a Clever Dripper/pour over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeco_user View Post
    Looks like there is also a Helor 102 on its way (HG-One look-a-like)
    - or maybe it was a prototype that never got off the ground
    Yes..it looks like its available on pre-order for 3999yuan ($792aud) on Taobao.
    https://helor.world.taobao.com/categ...Name=Helor+102
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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    Is it just my impression or the "marketing" division of Helor is here in force? New members posting links and such, just when Helor is coming out of the pre-order phase
    Well, if they are – I'd be more than happy to receive a couple for 'professional testing & review' purposes …

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    Nah.. I'm part of the Helor team. Started the project when I was studying in Canberra. It's easier and of course cheaper for us to setup the manufacturing machines in China and because it's targeted at such a small market, we were not confident to bring it globally when it's sold in Taobao(sort of eBay in China) plus that it was like a 'hobby project' on a public testing manner. The profit we got from these sales supported us to get better quality production and quality control so we can bring more attention to the world. More importantly, importing them to Australia requires many more procedures.

    I'm more than happy to represent Australia as the coffee culture definitely inspired me. But I can't state that this is 100% designed in Australia obviously my mates in China did a lot of job too. Not the patriotism but just want to be open and honest to our customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    Is it just my impression or the "marketing" division of Helor is here in force? New members posting links and such, just when Helor is coming out of the pre-order phase
    Nah.. I'm part of the Helor team. Started the project when I was studying in Canberra. It's easier and of course cheaper for us to setup the manufacturing machines in China and because it's targeted at such a small market, we were not confident to bring it globally when it's sold in Taobao(sort of eBay in China) plus that it was like a 'hobby project' on a public testing manner. The profit we got from these sales supported us to get better quality production and quality control so we can bring more attention to the world. More importantly, importing them to Australia requires many more procedures.

    I'm more than happy to represent Australia as the coffee culture definitely inspired me. I can't state that this is 100% designed in Australia obviously my mates in China did a lot of job too. Not the patriotism but just want to be open and honest to our customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Yes..it looks like its available on pre-order for 3999yuan ($792aud) on Taobao.


    The final design (mainly the appearance of it will be different from this one), the machanism design/principle will not change much but we are adding gear reducer to it. The beta test users feel that it's hard to crank. Hopefully we can get them here in 2-3 months, we are working on this now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadForCoffee View Post
    The machined unibody design looks promising. Makes sense too as your top and bottom bearings are permanently fixed/aligned, like the Rosco Mini which is a work of art itself. I'd rather trust the precision of a good machining technique (which can be down to 0.01 mm tolerance) than my own ability to manually align. For the very least, I imagine you don't have to mess with alignment so much as with some other grinders....
    Thanks! Yep the whole idea of the unibody design of Helor 101 is that you don't have to calibrate or manually align even if you are replacing the burrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffee_machinist View Post
    Well all I know is it was handed to me by one of the designers who lives not far from my workshop in Melbourne. Most of the components are made in China and I understand the burrs are Italian. I can't see the country of origin as very important - Orphan Espresso for example also contract to a Chinese manufacturer, as does the vast majority of designers who want to get their product off the drawing board. The quality is there in spades and there is clearly a good level of support. Ticks all my boxes!
    Thanks Rick! My pleasure. I really want to add more OZ elements to this so we import the parts here and assemble them at my place here. The packagings are made in Melbourne (although it's 10 times more expensive than we can make them in other counties). We wish to get more actions to support the local community.



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