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    Compak K3 elite V mazzer mini

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    Hi all, before you judge me....I know this has been discussed in the past

    My question is about longevity. I certainly know the Mazzer Mini is a solid bit of gear but I'm curious as to what the k3 elite would be like long term. Ive played with a mini a fair bit and the left throw from the doser really bugged me. I know the left throw is common in dosers but how does it fair on the K3 elite?

    I'll also be hopefully upgrading in the future to hopefully something along the lines of the mechanika iv profi from my la nuova cuadra. Would this grinder pair well?

    Ive heard talk about skipping the mini altogether and going the superjolly but bench space is limited and is the difference in the cup very noticeable or very subtle?

    Finally any idea on the difference between the standard k3 elite and the elite PB?

    If push comes to shove, I can dig deeper and go the difference in cost for the mini.

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    Much better options than the mazzer mini for the price. My k3 elite is as good as new and 7 years old. If I upgraded it would be to get speed and reduce noise.
    Macap m4d, rocket fausto or profitec. There are lots of very good grinders out there for mazzer mini money or not a lot more.
    Send the sponsors an email with location and budget. You might be surprised.
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    Trentski, cheers for the reply.

    How loud is the k3? I've currently got a Nova simonelli grinta. It's a good grinder for the price but ugly and noisy. Clumping isn't too bad either but could be better.

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    I think all grinders are probably equally as loud unless you get one of the compak silenzio models, even saying that I beleive the m4d is just as quiet.

    Takes about 20 seconds for a double on the k3 or mini. M4d I about half that and a few in the mini price range are close to 8 second doubles, maybe same noise but less time making it us the payoff.

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    Wow, 8 seconds is much faster than my Grinta. 20 seconds sounds about right for me atm.

    What machine have you paired it with?

    I don't want to have to upgrade again. I love my coffee but there is a limit to my tasting ability and I really don't think anything above say a superjolly is necessary for my taste buds. Longevity and cleanliness are probably high on my cards followed by clumping with my requirements for the new grinder.

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    I'm paired with a rocket Giotto premium plus. That's cured my espresso machine upgraditus but I would like a faster doserless grinder.
    Have a look at the following sponsor buying guide
    http://www.talkcoffee.com.au/buying-...ffee-grinders/
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    I shouldn't have read that article but glad I did. I was really sold on getting a doser as I thought it would really alleviate the clumping which I experience with the Grinta. It looks like all doserless grinders clump to a degree.

    To make it easy - am I going to notice an upgrade in quality moving from the Grinta to something like the K3 or mini? I understand the flaws etc with my current grinder but I can live with that. If it's going to mean a difference in the cup then I'm ready to move on to something in the k3 / mini Price range.

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    Less grind retention with doserless and the models released since I got my k3 wbc are much improved in useability and accuracy.
    Take the mini off your short list. Have a look at the m4d for $1000 it would be pretty hard to beat.

    K3 is a step above the grinta but you would be better go up again to m4d, fausto territory

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Less grind retention with doserless
    Are you sure about that? The two doser grinders I have owned have very little grind retention but yes, it requires manual sweeping of grinds from the chute to effect this.

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    I think you just validated my claim.

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    I never really looked at the m4d mainly because of cost. Might be worth sticking with what I have and saving the extra coin. I'll rule out the mini, it was just too messy the times I've used one. I'm assuming macap territory involves solid machines that last. Does anything Compare to the m4d from compak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    I think you just validated my claim.
    Not so. When I say 'manual sweeping' I mean the retained grinds are swept into my filter basket and not wasted at all.
    I have read several posts on CS about users of some doserless grinders having to throw away the first 10g or so to purge the old grinds from the grind path. It depends on which grinder you are talking about.
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    I have had my Mini for about 7 years and just replaced the burrs. I have modded it with the plastic tube as discussed in a recent post. I would still recommend it as a first grinder. I recently discussed up grading with a sponsor who stated that if I didn't like the mess the mini made I wouldn't be happy with a M4d. I had the money ready!! So I put in the plastic tube mod and most of the mess disappeared. Yes it takes 20seconds to grind a double shot, but really does 12seconds quicker make a difference? I saved money and still have a great coffee every morning I just have to wait a terrible 12 seconds longer. The Mazzer has not missed a beat in 7 years and the burrs had done over 300kg of coffe so I replaced them. I will save some more and buy something like the Fausto when I upgrade the Musica
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    I've had the ecm mech IV profi with a doser mazzer mini for about 5 years and happy with both. I have the auber timer for the grinder, I think set at 27.60 seconds for a double. Have an old paint brush to get rid of residual grinds in the shute and added sail repair tape to the sweepers when I first got it so it's clean after use. An OE funnel in the PF and I find there is pretty well no mess. I've had a Quest M3 roaster for about the same time, pretty happy with my setup, can't see any reason to change any of it.

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    Cheers guys. I certainly never wrote off the mini. It is certainly a little tank, just not a fan of the setup, nor having to mod something that I pay big $$ for. Itv really looks like there is worth in spending a bit more and going up a bit in price. I appreciate the inputb from you all. Big help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    I have had my Mini for about 7 years and just replaced the burrs. I have modded it with the plastic tube as discussed in a recent post. I would still recommend it as a first grinder. I recently discussed up grading with a sponsor who stated that if I didn't like the mess the mini made I wouldn't be happy with a M4d. I had the money ready!! So I put in the plastic tube mod and most of the mess disappeared. Yes it takes 20seconds to grind a double shot, but really does 12seconds quicker make a difference? I saved money and still have a great coffee every morning I just have to wait a terrible 12 seconds longer. The Mazzer has not missed a beat in 7 years and the burrs had done over 300kg of coffe so I replaced them. I will save some more and buy something like the Fausto when I upgrade the Musica
    I agree with all of your comments re the Mazzer Mini Stan.

    For some reason retailers have been very anti Mini of late, heaven knows why (perhaps there are better profit margins in the other machines) they are built like the proverbial brick outhouse, extremely reliable, easy to adjust and maintain and no messier than any other grinder.

    Re the speed, cant understand the need for it in a home situation, 8 seconds or 20 seconds, so what, ain't exactly a life time, guess next thing will be espresso machines that will extract a perfect shot in 15 seconds instead of 30.

    The Mazzer Mini is an excellent machine regardless of what others say, I wont be changing any time soon.

    PS Its not a money issue, simply don't see a need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Not so. When I say 'manual sweeping' I mean the retained grinds are swept into my filter basket
    Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out. All grinders have zero retention if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them. If you then empty the bag into your basket there's no waste.

    For some people waiting 27.6 seconds for the grinder to run is no big deal, personally I'd rather wait only 8. Fortunately there is a grinder to suit both types.
    A quick Google tells me you're paying $1200 for a mazzer mini e or $800 with a doser. M4d is $950 absolute bargain compared to the mini e and definitely worth the upgrade over the doser version. In my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    I agree with all of your comments re the Mazzer Mini Stan.

    For some reason retailers have been very anti Mini of late, heaven knows why (perhaps there are better profit margins in the other machines) they are built like the proverbial brick outhouse, extremely reliable, easy to adjust and maintain and no messier than any other grinder.

    Re the speed, cant understand the need for it in a home situation, 8 seconds or 20 seconds, so what, ain't exactly a life time, guess next thing will be espresso machines that will extract a perfect shot in 15 seconds instead of 30.

    The Mazzer Mini is an excellent machine regardless of what others say, I wont be changing any time soon.

    PS Its not a money issue, simply don't see a need.
    If you think about it, it is the design of the burrs that give the Mini a slow grind. This is very deliberate design, probably to keep the grind cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    If you think about it, it is the design of the burrs that give the Mini a slow grind. This is very deliberate design, probably to keep the grind cool.
    Doubt it. The cynic in me sees a deliberately slower grinder to create space for the SJ which is not that quick. Cafes that require a grinder which manages heat are not going to purchase one and it's irrelevant in 99.9% of home applications- unless you regularly cater for parties of 100 people.

    The Mazzer mini is fine and it's equivalent to the other competitor doser grinders. The Mini-E is even slower than the mini and and given much faster grind time and identical grind quality, the bang for buck equation lies firmly in the competitor court.

    I have been speaking with one of the importers re bringing in the doserless Lux (Lux-D) which is currently sold by LM but with what is clearly a huge markup. This grinder, but at a fair price (i.e circa mini manual price) would be a great home alternative for those looking for a manual doserless grinder.
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    You could put Super jolly burrs in the mini. That gets a double shot down to 10-11 seconds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexpid View Post
    You could put Super jolly burrs in the mini. That gets a double shot down to 10-11 seconds...
    Having read it, we tried it.

    In addition to voiding warranty, we experienced motor stall on about 30% of grind attempts. The motor and grinder are not up to the task.

    If you want a super jolly, you buy one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by calaper View Post
    Cheers guys. I certainly never wrote off the mini. It is certainly a little tank, just not a fan of the setup, nor having to mod something that I pay big $$ for. Itv really looks like there is worth in spending a bit more and going up a bit in price. I appreciate the inputb from you all. Big help!
    I've just read this thread and I'm not really sure where it all ended up. What are you actually hoping to achieve with the new grinder purchase 'calaper'? Do you want more speed, less mess, a better cup, or just a general upgrade? Having been through a few grinders and a few steps in the grinder chain over the last couple of years I can honestly tell you that it helps to be really clear about what you want first and then go and test a few grinders if you can before you buy anything.
    The Grinta is a small flat burr grinder right (50mm burrs?)? So it's comparable to things like the K3s, Rocky, M2M and even the Mini. With that in mind I don't think you'd notice much difference in the cup moving to any of these. The only way you'd see an improvement would be if you were able to achieve much better distribution of grounds that eliminated channeling etc. Other than that the only differences would be ease of use, cleanliness and maybe longevity.
    As others have pointed out noise is very much relative. I have a Compak K8 Silenzio. It's definitely quiet......for an 84mm burr grinder, but is noisier than my old Anfim KS. The difference is that the noise lasts for about 7-8sec for a double shot rather than 20+. In a house full of non-coffee drinkers the shorter time that noise is being made is welcomed.
    With space being an issue it rules out a big step up to a Compak E8 or similar so I can see your dilemma. My Compak was a doser model and I was quite happy with it for the last year. I used to single dose and brush out the chute after each shot which was fine once I worked out a system. (FYI doserless grinders also suffer from grind retention and in a way they can be worse as you usually can't get inside them to sweep the chute manually). Personally if I was in your situation I'd be looking to improve overall performance - speed, mess and aesthetics. So something like a Macap M4D or Quamar Q50e. Whatever you do don't rush into a purchase that could be an unnecessary sideways step that ends up being disappointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    If you think about it, it is the design of the burrs that give the Mini a slow grind. This is very deliberate design, probably to keep the grind cool.
    I wondered about the heat aspect and like Chris came to the conclusion that its probably not relevant in a home situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out. All grinders have zero retention if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them. If you then empty the bag into your basket there's no waste.

    For some people waiting 27.6 seconds for the grinder to run is no big deal, personally I'd rather wait only 8. Fortunately there is a grinder to suit both types.
    A quick Google tells me you're paying $1200 for a mazzer mini e or $800 with a doser. M4d is $950 absolute bargain compared to the mini e and definitely worth the upgrade over the doser version. In my opinion.
    Had to smile at this "Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out." guess after carrying out this difficult and exhausting exercise a person would need a Bex powder and a bit of a lie down

    And this little gem "if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them." don't recall anyone mentioning this little task, perhaps I missed it.

    27.6 seconds eh? now that's precise.

    The Mazzer Mini e is available from Coffee Parts for $979, substantially less than the $1200 you mention.

    Coffee Parts seem to be impressed with the machine and have this to say about it,

    Coffee Parts Thoughts

    The Mazzer is undoubtedly our favourite of all coffee grinders, as well as the best performing and most robust. If the budget allows for it, and there is room on the bench, the Mazzer is the ultimate home machine to have and definitely our pick regardless of the espresso coffee machine you are using. Ultimately an espresso machine can only perform as good as the consistency of the ground coffee it receives, as such having an amazing grinder will greatly help in the quest for the perfect espresso!

    Yep my bias is showing, ya gotta stick up for yer own kids, no one else will.
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    A lot of science goes into the burrs. The burrs are obviously designed to grind slower. My explanation is one possibility and the cynical marketing one is the other. I think Mazzer are just giving enthusiasts a home grinder with what they think are the best grinding characteristics and where speed isnt the number one consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    A lot of science goes into the burrs. The burrs are obviously designed to grind slower. My explanation is one possibility and the cynical marketing one is the other. I think Mazzer are just giving enthusiasts a home grinder with what they think are the best grinding characteristics and where speed isnt the number one consideration.
    Grind speed is mostly designated by the combination of burr size and motor speed. I doubt it's deliberately slow in this case as its a low volume semi-commercial grinder. It's more likely just a by product of its design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Grind speed is mostly designated by the combination of burr size and motor speed. I doubt it's deliberately slow in this case as its a low volume semi-commercial grinder. It's more likely just a by product of its design.
    lm glad you said that as the Mini e is the slowest of the lot with its tiny 64mm burrs...
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    What about a Super Jolly? I know that space is an issue but it's actually not that big a grinder and if you use it with a short hopper or without a hopper altogether they're fairly unobtrusive. They can be found for good prices second hand and are often reasonably priced brand new. They are a very good grinder with all the build qualities of other Mazzers, but twice the speed of a Mini at about 12sec/double.

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    That's a different story - The Super Jolly is a great grinder. Big, solid, and quick. I prefer the Quamar M80E or Macap M4D though for comparable quality and speed at less $
    This thread has me re-thinking Mazzer though. I'll re-list them, as my own opinion shouldn't stop me offering then to you guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    That's a different story - The Super Jolly is a great grinder. Big, solid, and quick. I prefer the Quamar M80E or Macap M4D though for comparable quality and speed at less $
    This thread has me re-thinking Mazzer though. I'll re-list them, as my own opinion shouldn't stop me offering then to you guys
    I just think Mazzer have thought this through and you may find that the particle size distribution may be more even due to increased residence time in the grinder and clumping may be less also for the slower grind due to less heat. Hence the later Mini e model taking the concept further.

    The fact is the difference won't be huge and may not be noticeable to many people whereas grind speed most definitely is. Of course, Mazzer's coffee coneheads could be wrong too...

    I hope one day someone will do a hugely in-depth and time consuming and expensive comparison with multiple tasters in the service of coffee science.

    In the meantime we can take what we want from this... pending further ANALysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Had to smile at this "Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out." guess after carrying out this difficult and exhausting exercise a person would need a Bex powder and a bit of a lie down

    And this little gem "if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them." don't recall anyone mentioning this little task, perhaps I missed it.

    27.6 seconds eh? now that's precise.

    The Mazzer Mini e is available from Coffee Parts for $979, substantially less than the $1200 you mention.

    Coffee Parts seem to be impressed with the machine and have this to say about it,

    Coffee Parts Thoughts

    The Mazzer is undoubtedly our favourite of all coffee grinders, as well as the best performing and most robust. If the budget allows for it, and there is room on the bench, the Mazzer is the ultimate home machine to have and definitely our pick regardless of the espresso coffee machine you are using. Ultimately an espresso machine can only perform as good as the consistency of the ground coffee it receives, as such having an amazing grinder will greatly help in the quest for the perfect espresso!

    Yep my bias is showing, ya gotta stick up for yer own kids, no one else will.
    The voice of reason Yalta?

    I like my coffee making ritual to be a simple one. Grind, pour, steam clean up and drink. If I can eliminate tasks like dismantle grinder and clear chute I will.

    A lot of my post has gone over your head so I won't bother explaining it to you. If you re-read the thread you should be able to figure it out. 27.6 seconds was quoted in one of the posts in this thread for example.

    You enjoy your mazzer mini but I stand by my words that there are better grinders out there for the money. My prices were from jetblack and dodgy x by the way, like I said just a quick Google search.

    Peace out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    All grinders have zero retention if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them. If you then empty the bag into your basket there's no waste.
    No need for that. I'm merely disputing your claim that a doserless has less grind retention than a doser grinder. I don't know what you base this claim on but I believe all grinders retain some grinds; some more than others. I can think of plenty of better reasons for buying a doserless but the idea that they retain less grinds is disputable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    A lot of my post has gone over your head so I won't bother explaining it to you.
    Nothing has gone over my head trentski, have picked up on all of the nuances in the thread, so no need to offer any explanation, I may be an old timer but I ain't senile, yet.

    I'm prepared to concede your grinder of choice probably does an excellent job, as does mine, however at the end of the day, personal preferences aside, I suspect there is very little difference in the cup, and that as far as I'm concerned is what its all about.

    Peace upon you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    That's a different story - The Super Jolly is a great grinder. Big, solid, and quick. I prefer the Quamar M80E or Macap M4D though for comparable quality and speed at less $
    This thread has me re-thinking Mazzer though. I'll re-list them, as my own opinion shouldn't stop me offering then to you guys
    Thanks Paul, the whole thing is a little like the Ford v Holden debate ain't it.

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    Mazzers are fine.

    We haven't relisted the doser versions nor the mini-e.

    Time has elapsed, competitors have caught up and overtaken on much of their product and that is reflected in many cafes as well as homes.

    My opinion is that there is no valid reason to sell doser grinders these days, so whilst we will obtain them for those who insist they want one, we find many change their minds when they live with one. The decision is invariably due to lack of information or old skool misunderstanding of contemporary dosing.

    The mini-e, not relisted as I won't sell product I don't believe in. The mini-e fails my bang for buck expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Thanks Paul, the whole thing is a little like the Ford v Holden debate ain't it.
    Yep - the car analogy is a good one Yelta. There are lots of great grinders out there and the choice is personal one in the end. It comes down to how you personally value speed, micro adjustment, electronics, durability, brand name, neatness, grind retention, aesthetics, etc.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Having read it, we tried it.

    In addition to voiding warranty, we experienced motor stall on about 30% of grind attempts. The motor and grinder are not up to the task.

    If you want a super jolly, you buy one!
    30% off the time it stalled? My coffee dealer has done this trick for years with little to none complaints. Maybe the trick is not to grind to fine to avoid the burrs getting to close. Then updosing to get the right time/weight for your shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexpid View Post
    30% off the time it stalled? My coffee dealer has done this trick for years with little to none complaints. Maybe the trick is not to grind to fine to avoid the burrs getting to close. Then updosing to get the right time/weight for your shot.
    I would think it is a bad idea as well, the burrs are for a motor with nearly 50% more power which is why it can stall. It is especially likely to happen if you tend to not fill the basket completely as the grind needs to be finer.

    On the other hand, who cares, it is up to the user to decide if they want to do this and only a concern to anyone else if you bought it from them and it is still in warranty but shows up with a burnt out motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexpid View Post
    My coffee dealer has done this trick for years with little to none complaints..
    Excellent .

    Hopefully he also has the integrity to wear the blame for ruined grinders pushed well beyond their duty cycle.

    We do the trick of selling a Super Jolly or equivalent to those who require a Super Jolly.
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    Folowing is a qoute from my coffee dealers website.
    "Disse Mazzer 33M kværnknive passer til Mazzer Super Jolly kaffekværne og kan kværne ca. 300kg før du skal skiftes.
    Ved lav volumen kan 33M også monteres i Mazzer Mini Electronic, hvorved en dobbelt kan kværnes på ca. 9 sekunder. De stejlere knive giver en helt anden kværn, men man skal være påpasselig med justeringen af kværnen, specielt i retning af finere formaling, da kværnen kan "stalle" (læs: stoppe). Knivene passer ikke i Mazzer Manuel, da knivene til den er 58 mm."
    This translates to:
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    Yes- and as previously commented, hopefully he also has the integrity to wear the blame for ruined grinders pushed well beyond their duty cycle.

    More likely, he tries to palm his poor advice and the responsibility for any damaged caused to Mazzer or the end user.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexpid View Post
    30% off the time it stalled? My coffee dealer has done this trick for years with little to none complaints..
    My guess is, Mazzer may have a little complaint to lodge with the dealer :-)
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    Well I think I'll have a word with him next time... Woulnd't want Mazzer on my back :-)

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    For those who will take the risc:
    https://youtu.be/SwMM0oIz0t0

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    Excellent. I'm sure that CS'ers far and wide can now refer anyone with shagged Mazzer minis due to internet misinformation to you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Excellent .

    We do the trick of selling a Super Jolly or equivalent to those who require a Super Jolly.
    "A plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel"....Blackadder quote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Excellent. I'm sure that CS'ers far and wide can now refer anyone with shagged Mazzer minis due to internet misinformation to you...

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    DO THE BURR SWAP AT OWN RISC!

    The mini motor is 250 watt. The burrs are designed to suit Super Jolly, which motor runs 350 watt.
    I can only speak from personal experience, and with low volume ( 2-3 doubleshots pr day) have had 2 stalls in 4 months.
    This may differ on other grinders, and 30% stall is far to much. The motor will burn out at that rate.

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    The whole sj burrs in the mini discussion is getting old on the forum and there are a lot of previous threads that can point users in whatever direction they wish to take at their own risk.

    I for one did the swap when I owned a mini E and not once did I ever have a stall. 4 shots a day minimum on very fine settings. Others have had bad experiences but there are many who don't. Each to their own. The original burrs suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I've just read this thread and I'm not really sure where it all ended up. What are you actually hoping to achieve with the new grinder purchase 'calaper'? Do you want more speed, less mess, a better cup, or just a general upgrade?
    Well this threat certainly lit up in the few days i did my night shifts.

    To answer this question is quite simple. My wife hates the mess and look of the Grinta and for me, i hate the noise and clumping. Speed isn't much of an issue however i want this grinder to be the one that lasts for a long time and one that will go well with a higher end machine. I think the mini, M4D etc would cover all of these aspects, i guess it then comes down to value for $$ and personal preference. I think, as a relative noob to the coffee world, it's easy to be sucked in to thinking there is only one brand to go with (i.e MAZZER / MACAP). I've started reading about Quamar, who i never really paid much attention to. I will head into my local and check out what grinders they have on offer and see how the look and perform.

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    Noise is similar amongst all grinders. Faster grinder is making that noise for a shorter amount of time, so less noise



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