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    Grinder for low usage and milk drinks only..

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    If I had a lazy $500 lying around and absolutely not know how to spend it, Ill get me a Rocky, but thats not going to happen in a while so Ill need your suggestions.

    As background info, I only make a cup a day (any more and I go hyperactive) on weekdays and 2 cups on weekends (for my missus and myself). Also, I only drink lattes and with sugar with it (still dont know how anyone can drink espresso straight... I cant even drink a latte without sugar). Being new to this espresso thing, I cant really even say this is going to be a lifelong journey (though more likely than not) or a passing phase or later stopped because of some medical reason...

    With all these factors in mind, I was looking at perhaps the Sunbeam EM0480 as its got good reviews for a grinder in its price class. My question is, is it worth the extra dosh for the Iberital Challenge over the Sunbeam for what Im going to use it for or is the Sunbeam more than sufficient for my purpose? Is there another alternative yet? Also, would second hand grinders worth considering as well?

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    Hey

    lifelong journey :) could you really go back to instant!!!!! 7 years on and I just cant do instant would rather a Tea! Im in the same situation as you and dont want to spend too much when am only making milk drinks!

    What sort of machine are you using? I will be waiting for everyones comments :)

    Sue

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    I can say for sure that instant is out of the question andI will never even take drip machine coffee again. Making my one glass of latte at work is a bit tedious at the moment: I work in what feels like a call centre environment at the moment. Weve just had an office move, designed to consolidate 3 different office locations into one. So theres suddenly 150+ people Ive never met. My machine is a Gaggia Carezza, and I keep that on my desk. When I want to make coffee, I pre-heat my machine on my desk. When its well heated, I switch it off briefly and carry the machine to the lunch room and switch it on. Make my one glass of latte, do a quick cleanup of the PF, brewhead, steam wand etc, and then cart it back to my desk again. My other team members comment about how its more effort than its worth, plus I get comments from onlookers (most of whom I dont know) ranging from the harmless "oooh that looks like good coffee" to "one latte here as well please" to "Look! hes taking his machine back with him!" to which Im tempted to retort, "If it breaks down, guess who has to pay for the repair, hell yeah! Im taking it with me!"
    Unlike many ofices I know, my office management refuses to provide some sort of coffee facilities apart from instant so, this is my way of at least getting myself good coffee. Also, my rationale is if enough people get envious of the much better coffee that Im enjoying versus their instant, they mght make enough of a noise for management to decide to get a proper coffee machine (ie. rent and maintain etc).
    There is also no decent cafe near where I work but if one pops up and I get tired of comments made by colleagues, I might just decide to keep the machine at home which means itll get used only on weekends, but for now, it gets used to make one latte a day.

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    Hey,
    good on ya for taking Carezza to work with you.
    Generally works out better for me to grind some beans in the morning and make plunger brew. On the odd occasion I have taken Rocky and Silvia into the office.
    Great to have decent coffee, but in my case, a fair bit of effort to make it happen.

    In regards to the hyper affect, you can reduce the caffeine intake by blending decaff with normal beans, helps if you roast your own of course. Ive had some really great brews that were 1/3 to 1/2 decaff.

    Which grinder?
    The EM0480 will give great results with your Carezza, especially if you have been using pre-ground coffee.
    Both are very capable, but relatively, are not made to last a long time, so the trade off is less $ up front, less life, or more $ up front and longer life. Can be really tough if budget is real tight, but I think the extra life you will get from a Rocky or better grinder is proportionately much better value than the cheaper grinders, and if you did decide to replace Carezza with something better when Carezza has had its day, and you already had a good grinder, you would not be up for another grinder at the same time.

    However having said that, many seem happy with their EM0480s.

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    Probably a spin-off from the original question, maybe deserving of its own thread:
    Im considering getting a used grinder, either a Rancilio MD something or a Compak. Is it something youd stay away from or would you consider it?

    And if youd consider it, what would you look out for when inspecting the grinder? I think they were used in cafes.

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    Newtoespresso,

    Firstly, once you make real espresso with freshly ground beans, you will see what all the fuss is about and realise that a properly made coffee is [relative to instant, ground & crema enhanced] not bitter and does not require sugar.
    [some climatization may be neccessary though]

    Secondly, many large public service type utilities Ive come across have had management supplied coffee machines. The first machines supplied, are semi auto.
    Within a day of installation, everyone is blaming everyone else for the mess, nobody can make a decent coffee and someone has been almost burnt by steam, so the OH&S guys say it must go.
    The next machine they install, is a super expensive super auto [ie press digital display for your selection]. At best they make poor coffee, but nobody ever cleans these machines and the receptionist buys the cheapest & stalest beans available from officeworks.
    So, yes, if you want a good coffee...do it your self.

    Thirdly, On Grinders
    The Sunbeam will do the job but you need to weigh up the longevity/quality issue.

    If you are considering a second hand model you will find firstly, that they are few and far between. Why: because good ones work well and last well, so why sell em!
    Price wise because of this you will be lucky to get an absolute bargain, even used Rockys [if you can find one]generally sell for about 80% of the new price.

    Buying second hand is always a risk, particularily over mediums like Sleeze-bay where you may not be able to inspect it or try it out.

    Also, unless you have previously owned and operated a grinder, you will lack the experience to confidently evaluate them.

    The grinders you are mentioning are very good quality commercial grade units and provided they work, the burrs are OK, and that they can be demonstrated to produce a good espresso grind , they are probably a safe bet.
    But they are very large and possibly too big for your work environment.
    Also, Commercial grinders are not entirely suited to low demand usage and ideally require a little tweaking.

    As an example, In my case, I disposed of my EM0480 and bought a used Compak K8. It was 6 years old and when it arrived I found it had never been cleaned....it stank like compost..... It needed a complete strip down and overhaul...and I had to source a user manual etc and generally found information hard to come by [though I now have all I need].

    Once re assembled, clean and working and smelling fine, I needed to convert it from commercial high volume application to a 1 dose at a time coffee snob spec: I got rid of the hopper and modified and marked a suitable level in the throat for a double basket fill. Next to go was the the front mounted tamper, following that, I needed to remove the autofill sensor and associated circuitry....etc etc
    Like most commercial units it has a lot of coffee retention in the chute, fortunately for now, I can flick this out with my finger, but down the track it will get the Reubster acute angle stainless steel chute mod.

    So now Im really happy with this grinder and fully recommend it. I was lucky to get it under the price of a new Rocky, but it required some basic grinder experience, time, risk taking, determination, some faith, some skill and the benefit of the coffee snobs knowledge collective to get me there.

    If you have researched grinders well and know the pros and cons of various models compared to the models you are considering and youre confident in your mechanical/electrical abilities and are prepared to take the $$$ risk of required service/parts, then a quality used grinder is certainly worth considering.

    Generally though, based on my personal observation you may not save heaps over a new model, so with the added risk of the unknown, it may be better to bite the bullit and purchase new grinder via a CS site sponsor.

    I do thoroughly recommend you buy the best grinder you can afford.
    And good luck whichever way you go.

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    Hey late breaking grinder news in the coffee hardware for sale section.....................http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1183008156/0#0

    Talk to Chris [2mcm] thats a great price.

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    I KNOW! Already initiated conversations with the Finance minister... got to say theres a bit of tension now in the air...

    The unit I was looking at is a Compak K6 for a fraction of the brand new price, and when I told my missus of the price, she was reasonably satisfied, but I had to tell her the size of that thing, and the height being registered at 635mm, well, thats put an end to the Compak idea. Its not going to be for the office, it going to be for the home and my kitchen isnt exactly big, so a K6 will definitely stand out in there like an obelisk..

    Until that offer appeared, I was seriously considering an Iberital Challenge new or a used Gaggia MDF... What is your opinion on those 2?

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    Re: Grinder for low usage and milk drinks only..

    We have this one http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1183008156/0#0...Not much more than an Iberital...and brand spankin ;-)



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